Washington Post fires reporter Felicia Somnez who objected to misogynistic tweets

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

I think losing a month’s pay over a stupid retweet is a pretty harsh punishment. He apologized quickly and took it down.

The other reporter should’ve reached out to him directly instead of immediately taking to Twitter. If he’s a decent person, he probably would’ve taken it down after a private conversation. That’s adult problem solving 101.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

+1

The dad joke poster is really, really awful and is making Weigel look even worse.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

I disagree. That joke is something I’d expect from a sitcom like How I met your mother or Broad City. It’s like some crappy tv writer created that joke.

I see that this is something that half of the crowd here agree with and half do not. And that is fine.

I don’t think the joke was funny or necessary to tweet. I will agree with that. But pick and choose your battles.

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Both the tweet and her actions were wrong. What bugs me is that they were purportedly friends. If a friend of mine repeated or retweeted an offensive joke, I would be mad and I would let them know. Would I try to ruin their life? No. So why did she go scorched earth?

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Anonymous wrote:Both the tweet and her actions were wrong. What bugs me is that they were purportedly friends. If a friend of mine repeated or retweeted an offensive joke, I would be mad and I would let them know. Would I try to ruin their life? No. So why did she go scorched earth?

Agreed. This could’ve been a PM or a text.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

It’s a joke. The underlying notion is that men can never fully understand the opposite sex. Women engage is far worse stereotypes of men all the time, including on this forum. They rarely get called out for it and even then don’t suffer adverse consequences. Which is OK, because men are assumed to be able to take a joke or handle a snide comment.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

I disagree. That joke is something I’d expect from a sitcom like How I met your mother or Broad City. It’s like some crappy tv writer created that joke.

I see that this is something that half of the crowd here agree with and half do not. And that is fine.

I don’t think the joke was funny or necessary to tweet. I will agree with that. But pick and choose your battles.

The only battle I want to win on this thread right now is the You Are Using the Term “Dad Joke” Incorrectly Battle. I agree with you that writers for sitcoms use jokes like this all the time either to be outrageous and spark a reaction or because they have determined that it will appeal to/are catering to the audience they depend on for ratings. That’s not a “dad joke” but a “deliberately offensive provocative joke” that is not surprising in the sitcom context, but is in the serious journalism one. I’m pleased with how the Post handled the whole thing.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

I disagree. That joke is something I’d expect from a sitcom like How I met your mother or Broad City. It’s like some crappy tv writer created that joke.

I see that this is something that half of the crowd here agree with and half do not. And that is fine.

I don’t think the joke was funny or necessary to tweet. I will agree with that. But pick and choose your battles.

The only battle I want to win on this thread right now is the You Are Using the Term “Dad Joke” Incorrectly Battle. I agree with you that writers for sitcoms use jokes like this all the time either to be outrageous and spark a reaction or because they have determined that it will appeal to/are catering to the audience they depend on for ratings. That’s not a “dad joke” but a “deliberately offensive provocative joke” that is not surprising in the sitcom context, but is in the serious journalism one. I’m pleased with how the Post handled the whole thing.

It’s a bad corny joke. Which is the definition of a dad joke.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dad-joke

I’m not trying to win any battle. But it is what it is. It was a bad, lame joke. There was nothing very “outrageous” about it.

I agree, he shouldn’t have retweeted it in his profession. But cmon, I’m not trying to win any battles.

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Anonymous wrote:Both the tweet and her actions were wrong. What bugs me is that they were purportedly friends. If a friend of mine repeated or retweeted an offensive joke, I would be mad and I would let them know. Would I try to ruin their life? No. So why did she go scorched earth?

That appears to be her M.O.
https://reason.com/2019/08/23/im-radioactive/
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/felicia-sonmez-metoo.php

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

It’s a joke. The underlying notion is that men can never fully understand the opposite sex. Women engage is far worse stereotypes of men all the time, including on this forum. They rarely get called out for it and even then don’t suffer adverse consequences. Which is OK, because men are assumed to be able to take a joke or handle a snide comment.

That's really not the joke.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

It’s a joke. The underlying notion is that men can never fully understand the opposite sex. Women engage is far worse stereotypes of men all the time, including on this forum. They rarely get called out for it and even then don’t suffer adverse consequences. Which is OK, because men are assumed to be able to take a joke or handle a snide comment.

Sigh. What people write on here or say over the Thanksgiving table is not held to the same standards, nor does it receive the same scrutiny, as what they say as journalists in public fora. A female political reporter would absolutely spark the same kind of outrage if she retweeted a similar “joke” that was anti-male. And she’d receive a lot more abuse on Twitter, including threats of violent reprisal from men who absolutely could not take that joke.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

It’s a joke. The underlying notion is that men can never fully understand the opposite sex. Women engage is far worse stereotypes of men all the time, including on this forum. They rarely get called out for it and even then don’t suffer adverse consequences. Which is OK, because men are assumed to be able to take a joke or handle a snide comment.

Sigh. What people write on here or say over the Thanksgiving table is not held to the same standards, nor does it receive the same scrutiny, as what they say as journalists in public fora. A female political reporter would absolutely spark the same kind of outrage if she retweeted a similar “joke” that was anti-male. And she’d receive a lot more abuse on Twitter, including threats of violent reprisal from men who absolutely could not take that joke.

Yes, a female journalist who did something similar would be facing death and rape threats.

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Anonymous wrote:She acted crazy on Twitter. Coworkers shouldn’t be blasted online like that.

Um, you mean like the guy who wrote that all women are bipolar or bisexual? That guy who still has a job at the WaPo?

He got reprimanded, suspended, didn’t he? Did you want him to get fired for a stupid tweet?

You mean like she got fired for pointing out he made a stupid (misogynistic to be more accurate) tweet that insulted half of his coworkers? Collegiality my butt.

He literally didn’t make the tweet. And it was a bad dad joke that most sane people didn’t even care about.

Ok Wiegel. He shared the tweet. If I had done that in a public forum, my place of work would have fired him. And the dads I know don't talk about women in that way.

It's Weigel, not Wiegel. You work at a different place. He's not a dad.

The guy apologized, instantly, and was suspended without pay for a month. He is a good reporter who is usually goofy but not offensive on Twitter. I really don't see the possible justification for punishing him worse than this, over such a dumb thing.

I don't get why this poster is calling this a dad joke. Dad jokes are puns or corny humor. They're not insulting to half the population. Dads have daughters too.

I think maybe we are just going to disagree over how offensive the tweet was. I thought it was stupid, and offensive, but not burn it all down bad. I thought Weigel responded appropriately with his apology - and that a month's suspension without pay seemed extreme, but ok. You clearly see it as much worse than I did, and than many other people did. But there's a lot of you, too, so I have to acknowledge that as well.

I don't know. This whole thing just seemed to spiral out of control in a pretty crazy way.

I think you're used to a permissive work culture. I think many companies would have fired staff over that tweet--social media policies govern staff behavior and you're not supposed to do things publicly that make you/your employer look bad. Which is why I think it's awful that they fired the lady reporter...saying she had been criticizing other staff (i.e. making the WaPo look bad).

She was insubordinate. He wasn't. I think this is pretty clear. The workplace had devolved into chaos, and she kept making it worse - and they would never have any control whatsoever if she didn't face consequences.

I've worked places with permissive social media cultures and some without (I am freelance now but my last full time job forbade us from posting anything about politics at all on our personal social media, because we worked with a lot of lawmakers on both sides and it was thought that this could hurt our ability to do that if we expressed any thoughts about policies - that one was hard to abide during the Trump years, let me tell you).

"Insubordinate". Yet she persisted... I don't know about your workplace, but I wouldn't want to work somewhere that let a guy tweet like that about women.

That tweet was lame, at best. If you get offended by weak crap like that, then I can’t imagine how you would be at a work happy hour.

The tweets and that he felt ok posting it says a lot about the workplace culture at WaPo. He knew he would ok.

+1

Honestly it’s a pretty clear indication of the type of abhorrent behavior that the Post tolerates from men. I would not want to work there as a woman.

Ummm he got suspended without pay for a month.

And she got fired for complaining about the tweet and the fact that the WaPo didn’t punish him

That’s not why she was fired. You can read her dismissal letter upstream. The guy screwed up and was disciplined for it. She could not let it go and continued to post attacks on her employer. Would your employer keep you on if you did that? Mine sure as hell wouldn’t. The punishment fit the crime and, as a woman, I find her an embarrassment. Completely unprofessional.

As a woman, I think the fact that she was firing for refusing to “let go” of the upset she felt about a coworker posting misogynistic tweets disturbing. If he posted racist memes about black people, would the Post have fired her for being upset by racism? Seems like a hostile work environment for women.

DP, but (as another woman) your take is bizarre. Have you never had a job? If you think it’s OK for you to attack all your co-workers for days on end because you are “upset” about something, and continue to do so after your boss tells you you absolutely need to stop, you are wrong, and you too are likely to find yourself fired. For the millionth time, this reporter was not fired for objecting to her co-worker’s obnoxious and clueless retweet. She was fired for repeated violations of her company policy and for ignoring her boss’s directives.

How anyone can stick up for this reporter’s actions is beyond me. She showed zero professionalism throughout the whole saga, and she completely undercut any point she otherwise might have been able to make about how offensive Weigel’s retweet was. Good riddance.

I’m not that PP. I don’t object to her being fired. I object to how leniently he was treated by the Post for overtly misogynist behavior.

It was a retweet of a awful dad joke that he immediately un-retweeted and apologized for….

It’s his actions after the fact that made his punishment not as severe. I can see if he left it up and double-downed on it. But he took action to remove it.

I can’t believe that people don’t understand this. And I can’t even stand Weigel.

DP. I agree that Weigel was not treated leniently if this was a first offense; I think the suspension was fair, and could entertain an argument that a less harsh punishment might also be fair for a first offense, though it was terrible judgment on his part likely to p*ss off a ton of Post readers. But why the heck do you and others on here keep trying to claim that the tweet in question was just a “dad joke”? Dad jokes are supposed to be goofy and sweet, they are called “dad jokes” in part because they are suitable for children of all ages. This was nothing of the sort. I’m asking the question sincerely because I find it so odd.

For reference, here are some dad jokes (https://parade.com/940979/kelseypelzer/best-dad-jokes/):
Why was the ghost so tired? He worked the graveyard shift.
What does a house wear? Address.
Why did the scarecrow win an award? He was out standing in his field.

Notice how none of them are hateful or putting down a group of people? Compare:
“Every girl is bi. You just have to figure out if it’s polar or sexual.”

Why would anyone think it’s fine or remotely funny to “joke” that all women are either mentally ill or gay? It’s really stupid for a journalist to retweet that, but why would anyone?

It’s a joke. The underlying notion is that men can never fully understand the opposite sex. Women engage is far worse stereotypes of men all the time, including on this forum. They rarely get called out for it and even then don’t suffer adverse consequences. Which is OK, because men are assumed to be able to take a joke or handle a snide comment.

Sigh. What people write on here or say over the Thanksgiving table is not held to the same standards, nor does it receive the same scrutiny, as what they say as journalists in public fora. A female political reporter would absolutely spark the same kind of outrage if she retweeted a similar “joke” that was anti-male. And she’d receive a lot more abuse on Twitter, including threats of violent reprisal from men who absolutely could not take that joke.

Yes, a female journalist who did something similar would be facing death and rape threats.

I’m glad Sonmez was fired, but rape and death threats were the exact things that happened to her after her Kobe Bryant tweet.