Washington Post Article On Freshmen Admitted Under New Admissions Process

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No process will be universally popular but this one has absolutely divided the community. But that is the nature of the current political game.

I agree that we should push for a better admissions process, but this process is at least a step in the right direction.

And the admissions change was *not* politically driven. The Rs have politicized it.

You can spin it whichever way. Keys-Gamarra is in record telling Braband that he needs to do something in light of the George Floyd tragedy. Whether the C4TJ case goes anywhere or not, at lease the discovery process has exposed the politicians for what they are.

Addressing injustices <> political

Hypersensationalizing and mischaracterizing actions to address injustices in order to fearmonger and garner votes = political

Merit-based admissions were an injustice?

The entire admissions process - and industry - was an injustice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No process will be universally popular but this one has absolutely divided the community. But that is the nature of the current political game.

I agree that we should push for a better admissions process, but this process is at least a step in the right direction.

And the admissions change was *not* politically driven. The Rs have politicized it.

Of course it was politically driven. Its main proponent was Scott Brabrand, who specifically said he was moved to act by George Floyd’s murder. It wasn’t

You either have a selective or a narrow view of what is political, or you lie on purpose.

That’s not a “political” motivation - it wasn’t to garner votes.

It was to try and improve Brabrand’s standing with the far-left School Board, which is the most transparently political (and unconcerned with actual education) of any School Board in recent memory.

That was also a political move, but it failed and Brabrand was only given a one-year contract extension, which is soon to expire.

So he did it for professional reasons?

Still not political.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No process will be universally popular but this one has absolutely divided the community. But that is the nature of the current political game.

I agree that we should push for a better admissions process, but this process is at least a step in the right direction.

And the admissions change was *not* politically driven. The Rs have politicized it.

Of course it was politically driven. Its main proponent was Scott Brabrand, who specifically said he was moved to act by George Floyd’s murder. It wasn’t

You either have a selective or a narrow view of what is political, or you lie on purpose.

That’s not a “political” motivation - it wasn’t to garner votes.

It was to try and improve Brabrand’s standing with the far-left School Board, which is the most transparently political (and unconcerned with actual education) of any School Board in recent memory.

That was also a political move, but it failed and Brabrand was only given a one-year contract extension, which is soon to expire.

So he did it for professional reasons?

Still not political.

I have 2 bridges to sell to you. London bridge and the Tower bridge.

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A much more nuanced article in the NYT. Some reporters do their homework.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/25/us/selective-high-schools-brooklyn-tech.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No process will be universally popular but this one has absolutely divided the community. But that is the nature of the current political game.

I agree that we should push for a better admissions process, but this process is at least a step in the right direction.

And the admissions change was *not* politically driven. The Rs have politicized it.

Of course it was politically driven. Its main proponent was Scott Brabrand, who specifically said he was moved to act by George Floyd’s murder. It wasn’t

You either have a selective or a narrow view of what is political, or you lie on purpose.

That’s not a “political” motivation - it wasn’t to garner votes.

It was to try and improve Brabrand’s standing with the far-left School Board, which is the most transparently political (and unconcerned with actual education) of any School Board in recent memory.

That was also a political move, but it failed and Brabrand was only given a one-year contract extension, which is soon to expire.

So he did it for professional reasons?

Still not political.

You're a total dolt. The School Board is deeply political. Brabrand wanted to suck up to a group of overtly political School Board members.

His actions were political, as were theirs. They weren't about attracting the most qualified students to TJ, but enabling School Board members to go out next year and tell people in the Lee, Mason, and Mount Vernon Districts that they've opened up more TJ seats to students in those districts.

It was classic retail, pork-barrel politics, just like a bunch of Congress members fighting over an appropriations bill.

[Anonymous]

My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

We'll see some of the base schools add to their offerings as an increasing number and percentage of top students attend schools in those pyramids. But it would be fascinating if the parents of some top kids turned away from TJ end up bringing an action against FCPS alleging a denial of FAPE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

We'll see some of the base schools add to their offerings as an increasing number and percentage of top students attend schools in those pyramids. But it would be fascinating if the parents of some top kids turned away from TJ end up bringing an action against FCPS alleging a denial of FAPE.

I wonder this as well. One of the solidly middle class AAP centers with a very low TJ admission rate had 5 kids get rejected with 4.0s and in Algebra II after taking Algebra I in 6th grade. The parents didn't push them ahead, and they didn't do summer geometry. FCPS pushed them ahead based on their test scores. Now, they won't have any math classes to take during their senior year at their very middle of the road high school. FCPS needs to find a solution for kids like that. They can't just shrug their shoulders and expect those kids to take remedial math or not take math at all senior year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

We'll see some of the base schools add to their offerings as an increasing number and percentage of top students attend schools in those pyramids. But it would be fascinating if the parents of some top kids turned away from TJ end up bringing an action against FCPS alleging a denial of FAPE.

I wonder this as well. One of the solidly middle class AAP centers with a very low TJ admission rate had 5 kids get rejected with 4.0s and in Algebra II after taking Algebra I in 6th grade. The parents didn't push them ahead, and they didn't do summer geometry. FCPS pushed them ahead based on their test scores. Now, they won't have any math classes to take during their senior year at their very middle of the road high school. FCPS needs to find a solution for kids like that. They can't just shrug their shoulders and expect those kids to take remedial math or not take math at all senior year.

How can anyone with a straight face say kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th should be getting in over these kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

We'll see some of the base schools add to their offerings as an increasing number and percentage of top students attend schools in those pyramids. But it would be fascinating if the parents of some top kids turned away from TJ end up bringing an action against FCPS alleging a denial of FAPE.

I wonder this as well. One of the solidly middle class AAP centers with a very low TJ admission rate had 5 kids get rejected with 4.0s and in Algebra II after taking Algebra I in 6th grade. The parents didn't push them ahead, and they didn't do summer geometry. FCPS pushed them ahead based on their test scores. Now, they won't have any math classes to take during their senior year at their very middle of the road high school. FCPS needs to find a solution for kids like that. They can't just shrug their shoulders and expect those kids to take remedial math or not take math at all senior year.

How can anyone with a straight face say kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th should be getting in over these kids.

When you've perfected the art of lying as well as the current School Board members it comes quite naturally.

[Anonymous]

This has been discussed elsewhere, but what are the steps to change TJ to the same model as AOS/AET? It’s silly to have all of those reasources not utilized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

We'll see some of the base schools add to their offerings as an increasing number and percentage of top students attend schools in those pyramids. But it would be fascinating if the parents of some top kids turned away from TJ end up bringing an action against FCPS alleging a denial of FAPE.

I wonder this as well. One of the solidly middle class AAP centers with a very low TJ admission rate had 5 kids get rejected with 4.0s and in Algebra II after taking Algebra I in 6th grade. The parents didn't push them ahead, and they didn't do summer geometry. FCPS pushed them ahead based on their test scores. Now, they won't have any math classes to take during their senior year at their very middle of the road high school. FCPS needs to find a solution for kids like that. They can't just shrug their shoulders and expect those kids to take remedial math or not take math at all senior year.

How can anyone with a straight face say kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th should be getting in over these kids.

Highly accelerated in math <> slam dunk

Kids also need to know how to engage with other people (profile) and write (essay).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No process will be universally popular but this one has absolutely divided the community. But that is the nature of the current political game.

I agree that we should push for a better admissions process, but this process is at least a step in the right direction.

And the admissions change was *not* politically driven. The Rs have politicized it.

Of course it was politically driven. Its main proponent was Scott Brabrand, who specifically said he was moved to act by George Floyd’s murder. It wasn’t

You either have a selective or a narrow view of what is political, or you lie on purpose.

That’s not a “political” motivation - it wasn’t to garner votes.

It was to try and improve Brabrand’s standing with the far-left School Board, which is the most transparently political (and unconcerned with actual education) of any School Board in recent memory.

That was also a political move, but it failed and Brabrand was only given a one-year contract extension, which is soon to expire.

So he did it for professional reasons?

Still not political.

You're a total dolt. The School Board is deeply political. Brabrand wanted to suck up to a group of overtly political School Board members.

His actions were political, as were theirs. They weren't about attracting the most qualified students to TJ, but enabling School Board members to go out next year and tell people in the Lee, Mason, and Mount Vernon Districts that they've opened up more TJ seats to students in those districts.

It was classic retail, pork-barrel politics, just like a bunch of Congress members fighting over an appropriations bill.

No, possible internal positioning about an individual’s job isn’t political.

Rs pushed this as a political wedge issue to get Youngkin elected. He, and his MAGA supporters like Asra, pushed the TJ issue - and other educational issues - hard to garner votes.

Rs politicized the sh1t out of educational “issues”. TJ, “advanced math”, CRT, masks, etc.

And the idiots fell for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

Citation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take is that TJ is a Governor's School with a mission of educating kids whose learning levels are remarkably different than their age level peers. If a kid is rejected from TJ, FCPS is stating that the kid's needs can be met at the base school.

Given that, FCPS is obligated to meet the needs of kids at the base school who have exceeded the base school's offerings. So, they need to provide additional dual enrollment math courses for the kids who take Calculus in 8th-10th grade. They likewise need to provide additional post AP science classes for the kids who complete AP levels and need additional content. If there aren't enough kids at the base school, then FCPS needs to pay for the kids to take equivalent college level classes at GMU.

FCPS can't have it both ways. They can't decide that your kid can have their needs met at the base school, and then refuse to provide advanced enough content at the base school to meet your kid's needs. Granted, the easiest and cheapest solution would be to admit kids like that to TJ, where they honestly belong.

We'll see some of the base schools add to their offerings as an increasing number and percentage of top students attend schools in those pyramids. But it would be fascinating if the parents of some top kids turned away from TJ end up bringing an action against FCPS alleging a denial of FAPE.

I wonder this as well. One of the solidly middle class AAP centers with a very low TJ admission rate had 5 kids get rejected with 4.0s and in Algebra II after taking Algebra I in 6th grade. The parents didn't push them ahead, and they didn't do summer geometry. FCPS pushed them ahead based on their test scores. Now, they won't have any math classes to take during their senior year at their very middle of the road high school. FCPS needs to find a solution for kids like that. They can't just shrug their shoulders and expect those kids to take remedial math or not take math at all senior year.

How can anyone with a straight face say kids taking Algebra 1 in 8th should be getting in over these kids.

Highly accelerated in math <> slam dunk

Kids also need to know how to engage with other people (profile) and write (essay).

4.0 GPA + AAP + highly accelerated in math should be close to a slam dunk for a magnet STEM school that is intended to meet the needs of kids whose needs can't be met at their zoned school.

The essays are even more vulnerable to prep centers than the testing in the old process. This is especially true when the essays aren't even proctored, and motivated parents could have easily helped their kids.