School Fraud- Cap Hill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maryland tags do not equal FRAUD!!! How many times do we have to state this. If ONE person is DC resident, it’s not fraud!

depends on where who the kids live with most of the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland tags do not equal FRAUD!!! How many times do we have to state this. If ONE person is DC resident, it’s not fraud!

depends on where who the kids live with most of the time.

Unfortunately in many cases there is residency fraud. Not all but many.

The boundaries for Maury are so small that everyone can easily walk to school. So why are there still so many MD cars? Why would the nanny bother driving 2 blocks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland tags do not equal FRAUD!!! How many times do we have to state this. If ONE person is DC resident, it’s not fraud!

depends on where who the kids live with most of the time.

No, it doesn’t. It only depends on the residency of parent/guardian who enrolls the child.

https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/2021-22%20School%20Year%20DC%20Residency%20Verification%20Form.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland tags do not equal FRAUD!!! How many times do we have to state this. If ONE person is DC resident, it’s not fraud!

depends on where who the kids live with most of the time.

Unfortunately in many cases there is residency fraud. Not all but many.

The boundaries for Maury are so small that everyone can easily walk to school. So why are there still so many MD cars? Why would the nanny bother driving 2 blocks?

AGAIN. Many kids are brought in off the waitlist in the upper grades. Also you can move OOB and retain the right to attend.

[Anonymous]

This back and forth is so tedious.

Yes, one Maryland plate does not automatically equal fraud. Yes, some families have unusual circumstances and no one should go around accusing individual families of residency fraud because you don't know what that specific family's situation is and it could in fact be a situation where one parent lives in MD and the other is IB, or the nanny has Maryland plates, or the family has Maryland plates even though they live in DC. Yes, all of this is true. No one is saying it cannot be true. I'm sure each of these situations happen sometimes in this city.

BUT ALSO

If you attend a school in DC and on a daily basis, more than half of the cars dropping of children at the school have Maryland plates, that raises a serious question that the school has a problem with RESIDENCY fraud (not boundary fraud, that's not what we're talking about here). It is improbably that fully half, or more, of the families at that school have one of the circumstances listed in this thread as valid reason why parents or caregivers could be dropping off with Maryland plates. Some, sure. Half or more? No, of course not. It's a massive red flag and raises all kinds of issues including the possible complicity of the administration or DCPS, as well as normalizing a fraudulent behavior that can ultimately really hurt schools by making it hard to create cohesive school communities with mutual respect and trust.

I don't even understand why this is ever controversial. Whenever this subject comes up on these boards, people are so weird about it and many people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that residency fraud is wrong or even that it would be a problem if it were occurring (much less admitting that there are signs that it's definitely occurring). Such a mystery to me. This is one of those weird DC things I will never get.

[Anonymous]

At which school do "more than half" of the cars have Maryland plates?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At which school do "more than half" of the cars have Maryland plates?

All over capitol hill and along commuter thoroughfares more generally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At which school do "more than half" of the cars have Maryland plates?

All over capitol hill and along commuter thoroughfares more generally.

Also some charters near the MD border in NE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland tags do not equal FRAUD!!! How many times do we have to state this. If ONE person is DC resident, it’s not fraud!

depends on where who the kids live with most of the time.

Unfortunately in many cases there is residency fraud. Not all but many.

The boundaries for Maury are so small that everyone can easily walk to school. So why are there still so many MD cars? Why would the nanny bother driving 2 blocks?

actually, maury is at the edge of a long, thin rectangle school zone. lots of kids live many blocks away. (I wish they would walk, but people drive, so.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This back and forth is so tedious.

Yes, one Maryland plate does not automatically equal fraud. Yes, some families have unusual circumstances and no one should go around accusing individual families of residency fraud because you don't know what that specific family's situation is and it could in fact be a situation where one parent lives in MD and the other is IB, or the nanny has Maryland plates, or the family has Maryland plates even though they live in DC. Yes, all of this is true. No one is saying it cannot be true. I'm sure each of these situations happen sometimes in this city.

BUT ALSO

If you attend a school in DC and on a daily basis, more than half of the cars dropping of children at the school have Maryland plates, that raises a serious question that the school has a problem with RESIDENCY fraud (not boundary fraud, that's not what we're talking about here). It is improbably that fully half, or more, of the families at that school have one of the circumstances listed in this thread as valid reason why parents or caregivers could be dropping off with Maryland plates. Some, sure. Half or more? No, of course not. It's a massive red flag and raises all kinds of issues including the possible complicity of the administration or DCPS, as well as normalizing a fraudulent behavior that can ultimately really hurt schools by making it hard to create cohesive school communities with mutual respect and trust.

I don't even understand why this is ever controversial. Whenever this subject comes up on these boards, people are so weird about it and many people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that residency fraud is wrong or even that it would be a problem if it were occurring (much less admitting that there are signs that it's definitely occurring). Such a mystery to me. This is one of those weird DC things I will never get.

What I don’t get is, don’t families get to know each other? Go to birthday parties? Talk about where exactly they live? Have play dates at each other’s houses? I know where most people live in my kids school in the classes they’re in. How are these folks hiding? It sounds hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This back and forth is so tedious.

Yes, one Maryland plate does not automatically equal fraud. Yes, some families have unusual circumstances and no one should go around accusing individual families of residency fraud because you don't know what that specific family's situation is and it could in fact be a situation where one parent lives in MD and the other is IB, or the nanny has Maryland plates, or the family has Maryland plates even though they live in DC. Yes, all of this is true. No one is saying it cannot be true. I'm sure each of these situations happen sometimes in this city.

BUT ALSO

If you attend a school in DC and on a daily basis, more than half of the cars dropping of children at the school have Maryland plates, that raises a serious question that the school has a problem with RESIDENCY fraud (not boundary fraud, that's not what we're talking about here). It is improbably that fully half, or more, of the families at that school have one of the circumstances listed in this thread as valid reason why parents or caregivers could be dropping off with Maryland plates. Some, sure. Half or more? No, of course not. It's a massive red flag and raises all kinds of issues including the possible complicity of the administration or DCPS, as well as normalizing a fraudulent behavior that can ultimately really hurt schools by making it hard to create cohesive school communities with mutual respect and trust.

I don't even understand why this is ever controversial. Whenever this subject comes up on these boards, people are so weird about it and many people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that residency fraud is wrong or even that it would be a problem if it were occurring (much less admitting that there are signs that it's definitely occurring). Such a mystery to me. This is one of those weird DC things I will never get.

Maury doesn’t have “half the plates” from MD. And I frankly don’t care and am not motivated in the slightest to be the school residency vigilante. OSSE has a process for that which actually fined a Maury parent a few years ago. I have bigger issues on my plate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This back and forth is so tedious.

Yes, one Maryland plate does not automatically equal fraud. Yes, some families have unusual circumstances and no one should go around accusing individual families of residency fraud because you don't know what that specific family's situation is and it could in fact be a situation where one parent lives in MD and the other is IB, or the nanny has Maryland plates, or the family has Maryland plates even though they live in DC. Yes, all of this is true. No one is saying it cannot be true. I'm sure each of these situations happen sometimes in this city.

BUT ALSO

If you attend a school in DC and on a daily basis, more than half of the cars dropping of children at the school have Maryland plates, that raises a serious question that the school has a problem with RESIDENCY fraud (not boundary fraud, that's not what we're talking about here). It is improbably that fully half, or more, of the families at that school have one of the circumstances listed in this thread as valid reason why parents or caregivers could be dropping off with Maryland plates. Some, sure. Half or more? No, of course not. It's a massive red flag and raises all kinds of issues including the possible complicity of the administration or DCPS, as well as normalizing a fraudulent behavior that can ultimately really hurt schools by making it hard to create cohesive school communities with mutual respect and trust.

I don't even understand why this is ever controversial. Whenever this subject comes up on these boards, people are so weird about it and many people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that residency fraud is wrong or even that it would be a problem if it were occurring (much less admitting that there are signs that it's definitely occurring). Such a mystery to me. This is one of those weird DC things I will never get.

What I don’t get is, don’t families get to know each other? Go to birthday parties? Talk about where exactly they live? Have play dates at each other’s houses? I know where most people live in my kids school in the classes they’re in. How are these folks hiding? It sounds hard.

you don’t get it because PP is spinning up fake outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland tags do not equal FRAUD!!! How many times do we have to state this. If ONE person is DC resident, it’s not fraud!

depends on where who the kids live with most of the time.

Unfortunately in many cases there is residency fraud. Not all but many.

The boundaries for Maury are so small that everyone can easily walk to school. So why are there still so many MD cars? Why would the nanny bother driving 2 blocks?

AGAIN. Many kids are brought in off the waitlist in the upper grades. Also you can move OOB and retain the right to attend.

Moving OOB wouldn’t result in Maryland plates, dingaling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This back and forth is so tedious.

Yes, one Maryland plate does not automatically equal fraud. Yes, some families have unusual circumstances and no one should go around accusing individual families of residency fraud because you don't know what that specific family's situation is and it could in fact be a situation where one parent lives in MD and the other is IB, or the nanny has Maryland plates, or the family has Maryland plates even though they live in DC. Yes, all of this is true. No one is saying it cannot be true. I'm sure each of these situations happen sometimes in this city.

BUT ALSO

If you attend a school in DC and on a daily basis, more than half of the cars dropping of children at the school have Maryland plates, that raises a serious question that the school has a problem with RESIDENCY fraud (not boundary fraud, that's not what we're talking about here). It is improbably that fully half, or more, of the families at that school have one of the circumstances listed in this thread as valid reason why parents or caregivers could be dropping off with Maryland plates. Some, sure. Half or more? No, of course not. It's a massive red flag and raises all kinds of issues including the possible complicity of the administration or DCPS, as well as normalizing a fraudulent behavior that can ultimately really hurt schools by making it hard to create cohesive school communities with mutual respect and trust.

I don't even understand why this is ever controversial. Whenever this subject comes up on these boards, people are so weird about it and many people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that residency fraud is wrong or even that it would be a problem if it were occurring (much less admitting that there are signs that it's definitely occurring). Such a mystery to me. This is one of those weird DC things I will never get.

What I don’t get is, don’t families get to know each other? Go to birthday parties? Talk about where exactly they live? Have play dates at each other’s houses? I know where most people live in my kids school in the classes they’re in. How are these folks hiding? It sounds hard.

Yes, they do. Any many families know who is a non-resident. But there is so little enforcement it’s not even worth reporting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This back and forth is so tedious.

Yes, one Maryland plate does not automatically equal fraud. Yes, some families have unusual circumstances and no one should go around accusing individual families of residency fraud because you don't know what that specific family's situation is and it could in fact be a situation where one parent lives in MD and the other is IB, or the nanny has Maryland plates, or the family has Maryland plates even though they live in DC. Yes, all of this is true. No one is saying it cannot be true. I'm sure each of these situations happen sometimes in this city.

BUT ALSO

If you attend a school in DC and on a daily basis, more than half of the cars dropping of children at the school have Maryland plates, that raises a serious question that the school has a problem with RESIDENCY fraud (not boundary fraud, that's not what we're talking about here). It is improbably that fully half, or more, of the families at that school have one of the circumstances listed in this thread as valid reason why parents or caregivers could be dropping off with Maryland plates. Some, sure. Half or more? No, of course not. It's a massive red flag and raises all kinds of issues including the possible complicity of the administration or DCPS, as well as normalizing a fraudulent behavior that can ultimately really hurt schools by making it hard to create cohesive school communities with mutual respect and trust.

I don't even understand why this is ever controversial. Whenever this subject comes up on these boards, people are so weird about it and many people just flat out refuse to acknowledge that residency fraud is wrong or even that it would be a problem if it were occurring (much less admitting that there are signs that it's definitely occurring). Such a mystery to me. This is one of those weird DC things I will never get.

Maury doesn’t have “half the plates” from MD. And I frankly don’t care and am not motivated in the slightest to be the school residency vigilante. OSSE has a process for that which actually fined a Maury parent a few years ago. I have bigger issues on my plate.

But that's the thing, DC is barely doing any enforcement about residency fraud. Basically one token case once in a great while. Just like they pulled back from even enforcing violent crime too much.