ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The downside is it would promote redshirting in soccer. As it is my kid has several kids on her team older than her. But a year lower grade.

SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff specifically does not allow redshirting. Unless the player was born 30 or 60 days before 9/1. In this case its not really redshirting because if the kid grew up in a different part of America with an 8/1 or even 7/1 start date that is the grade they would be in school.

So is it the school cutoff date at the time the child would have been sent to school based on where they lived at the time? What if they moved the following year to a school district that had a different school year and then when off the new school district? Would this be o.k.? For immigrant kids would we go off their home country's school district or the first school district that they used when they went to U.S. schools? Would the USSF need to maintain a database of school district age cutoffs globally for every year and track changes so clubs could check to determine what age group to put kids in? If the child switches grades does this have to be reported or will they need to have their grade recertified every year? Would tax forms and associated social security numbers be needed to prove proof of residence for toddlers because most don't have IDs with residential addresses? I don't see what could go wrong with such a brilliant idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The downside is it would promote redshirting in soccer. As it is my kid has several kids on her team older than her. But a year lower grade.

SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff specifically does not allow redshirting. Unless the player was born 30 or 60 days before 9/1. In this case its not really redshirting because if the kid grew up in a different part of America with an 8/1 or even 7/1 start date that is the grade they would be in school.

So is it the school cutoff date at the time the child would have been sent to school based on where they lived at the time? What if they moved the following year to a school district that had a different school year and then when off the new school district? Would this be o.k.? For immigrant kids would we go off their home country's school district or the first school district that they used when they went to U.S. schools? Would the USSF need to maintain a database of school district age cutoffs globally for every year and track changes so clubs could check to determine what age group to put kids in? If the child switches grades does this have to be reported or will they need to have their grade recertified every year? Would tax forms and associated social security numbers be needed to prove proof of residence for toddlers because most don't have IDs with residential addresses? I don't see what could go wrong with such a brilliant idea.

If a kid changes district and they have a different cutoff date usually schools will let them enter that grade they're qualified for. (Not repeat a grade just because of a cutoff date)

Here's an example say a July 19 birthday was at a district that started at 7/15. (There actually are some) with SY+60 and a 9/1 cutoff this player would play with the correct grade. With a single date cutoff of 8/1 they would have to play with players a grade older.

Going the other way with SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff August birthdays are not able to choose which age group they want to play with. You must play with the grade you're enrolled. With a single 8/1 cutoff you introduce Aug birthdays being able to play down a grade.

All the edge cases you listed are addressed with SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff. Theyre actually addressed better then a single 8/1 cutoff.

[Anonymous]

And you dont need to make proof of grade a big issue. Just have all clubs put proof of grade pics on a share that all other clubs have access to. Then make it clubs responsibility to police each other for cheaters.

I promise you that theres enough busy body moms out there that are just looking for things like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And you dont need to make proof of grade a big issue. Just have all clubs put proof of grade pics on a share that all other clubs have access to. Then make it clubs responsibility to police each other for cheaters.

I promise you that theres enough busy body moms out there that are just looking for things like this.

Please stop explaining. We get it: your July kid would love to play with their grade somewhere in Idaho or Indiana and you want them to have an age advantage.

[Anonymous]

I actually was a fan of SY + something until this bananas conversion. We are taking about 1 or 2 months here. It doesn't matter what the district cutoffs are. Here's a reminder Virginia is 9/30!. If parents made the choice to hold their August or Sept birthday back that's a choice they made before sport aptitude was even determined. Don't over complicate it.

[Anonymous]

Also, by the time players hit ECNL level player profiles are public. It would be very difficult to cheat being a grade older but playing down with SY+30/60 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Are you starting to understand how much better things could be if leagues implemented SY with a little thought. Not just listen to the it has to be a specific cutoff date blockheads.

[Anonymous]

No issue with Jan to July kids playing "down" with Aug-Dec kids for the past 8 years, but all of a sudden all the Jan-July parents are upset that August kids are cheaters ... crazy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No issue with Jan to July kids playing "down" with Aug-Dec kids for the past 8 years, but all of a sudden all the Jan-July parents are upset that August kids are cheaters ... crazy

No the issue is if youre going to switch from BY to SY do it right and address all the issues. Don't resolve one issue by creating another.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No issue with Jan to July kids playing "down" with Aug-Dec kids for the past 8 years, but all of a sudden all the Jan-July parents are upset that August kids are cheaters ... crazy

No the issue is if youre going to switch from BY to SY do it right and address all the issues. Don't resolve one issue by creating another.

You are trying to solve one issue by complicating the process and creating a bigger issue: an age cutoff >12 months depending on which state you live in and/or what school you go to. You are a massive dbag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No issue with Jan to July kids playing "down" with Aug-Dec kids for the past 8 years, but all of a sudden all the Jan-July parents are upset that August kids are cheaters ... crazy

No the issue is if youre going to switch from BY to SY do it right and address all the issues. Don't resolve one issue by creating another.

You are trying to solve one issue by complicating the process and creating a bigger issue: an age cutoff >12 months depending on which state you live in and/or what school you go to. You are a massive dbag.

Just because you dont understand math doesn't mean everyone else has to suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No issue with Jan to July kids playing "down" with Aug-Dec kids for the past 8 years, but all of a sudden all the Jan-July parents are upset that August kids are cheaters ... crazy

No the issue is if youre going to switch from BY to SY do it right and address all the issues. Don't resolve one issue by creating another.

You are trying to solve one issue by complicating the process and creating a bigger issue: an age cutoff >12 months depending on which state you live in and/or what school you go to. You are a massive dbag.

Just because you dont understand math doesn't mean everyone else has to suffer.

Other way around my friend…

[Anonymous]

12 month window is more than enough. Just because Karen could t get her kid to school on time doesn’t mean they need a life time exception.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:12 month window is more than enough. Just because Karen could t get her kid to school on time doesn’t mean they need a life time exception.

Has nothing to do with Karen. Different school districts around the US have different start dates. This is why a single cutoff date will never work for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12 month window is more than enough. Just because Karen could t get her kid to school on time doesn’t mean they need a life time exception.

Has nothing to do with Karen. Different school districts around the US have different start dates. This is why a single cutoff date will never work for everyone.

A 12 month universal cutoff DOES work for everyone in maintaining some limit to RAE. What doesn’t work is knuckleheads like you wanting to bend the rules bc your kid was born in July and you want an age advantage.

[Anonymous]

Moving the window outside of 12 months is a really bad idea. Way more kids on the wrong side of it will quit. There are already so few Q4 kids this will only make things alot worse. “Q5” kids will be like Bigfoot; only in legend do they exist.