Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.

Search warrants can be executed on weekends. More likely there were strategic reasons to wait a few days, such as needing to fully briefs the agents who would be executing the raid on what they are looking for, putting together a plan for where they were to search to make sure no areas were overlooked, the number of other people who would be on the premises at the time (if DOJ was trying to keep this low profile and there are far fewer guests/club members at Mar-a-Lago on a Monday than a Saturday, that could make Monday preferable to execute).

The warrant covers all documents for all four years. I don't think that's specific enough to require two weeks.

The Presidential Records Act pertains to all documents created between 1/20/2017 and 1/20/2020. The warrant allows for the search and siezurecof such documents at a specified address. What’s so confusing?

Glad you agree with me.

DP. It seems pretty clear you have no clue what you're talking about and are just trying to confuse and distract the discussion.

Read attachment B of the warrant

I am well aware of Attachment B. I have no idea how you believe that fits into whether it was appropriate that the court allowed fourteen days to execute the warrant or that it was executed three days after it was issued. You are just throwing random things out there to try to create issues where none exist.

They are two separate issues. One is the broadness of the warrant, which implies a fishing expedition. If you know there are specific documents pertinent to national security, such that you need a raid, you don't have to be that broad in the warrant. The issue of timeliness further supports a fishing expedition.

Unless you have reason to believe he took documents spanning his entire presidency. You are just spinning conspiracy theories.

I'm not the one who wrote the warrant. Not following.

Oh dear lord. The first sentence parallels your use of "you," which I assume wasn't actually meant to refer to me and that you understand I probably did not write the document. The second sentence uses "you" to refer to you personally.

But you clearly are only looking to derail the discussion and aren't try to engage in good faith, so I am done with you.

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.

Search warrants can be executed on weekends. More likely there were strategic reasons to wait a few days, such as needing to fully briefs the agents who would be executing the raid on what they are looking for, putting together a plan for where they were to search to make sure no areas were overlooked, the number of other people who would be on the premises at the time (if DOJ was trying to keep this low profile and there are far fewer guests/club members at Mar-a-Lago on a Monday than a Saturday, that could make Monday preferable to execute).

The warrant covers all documents for all four years. I don't think that's specific enough to require two weeks.

The Presidential Records Act pertains to all documents created between 1/20/2017 and 1/20/2020. The warrant allows for the search and siezurecof such documents at a specified address. What’s so confusing?

Glad you agree with me.

DP. It seems pretty clear you have no clue what you're talking about and are just trying to confuse and distract the discussion.

Read attachment B of the warrant

I am well aware of Attachment B. I have no idea how you believe that fits into whether it was appropriate that the court allowed fourteen days to execute the warrant or that it was executed three days after it was issued. You are just throwing random things out there to try to create issues where none exist.

They are two separate issues. One is the broadness of the warrant, which implies a fishing expedition. If you know there are specific documents pertinent to national security, such that you need a raid, you don't have to be that broad in the warrant. The issue of timeliness further supports a fishing expedition.

Unless you have reason to believe he took documents spanning his entire presidency. You are just spinning conspiracy theories.

Well, it's the troll's entire raison d'etre, PP. He lives in a basement, loved by no one, and craves attention. Negative attention will do.

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Troll says FBI lied a couple of times among millions of accurate statements.

Troll forgets Trump lies all the time, and maybe had a handful of true statements in his life.

BUT SURE, IT'S THE FBI THAT'S THE BIG OL' MEANIE HERE.

Falsifying a document to get a FISA is very serious. VERY

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.

Search warrants can be executed on weekends. More likely there were strategic reasons to wait a few days, such as needing to fully briefs the agents who would be executing the raid on what they are looking for, putting together a plan for where they were to search to make sure no areas were overlooked, the number of other people who would be on the premises at the time (if DOJ was trying to keep this low profile and there are far fewer guests/club members at Mar-a-Lago on a Monday than a Saturday, that could make Monday preferable to execute).

The warrant covers all documents for all four years. I don't think that's specific enough to require two weeks.

The Presidential Records Act pertains to all documents created between 1/20/2017 and 1/20/2020. The warrant allows for the search and siezurecof such documents at a specified address. What’s so confusing?

Glad you agree with me.

DP. It seems pretty clear you have no clue what you're talking about and are just trying to confuse and distract the discussion.

Read attachment B of the warrant

I am well aware of Attachment B. I have no idea how you believe that fits into whether it was appropriate that the court allowed fourteen days to execute the warrant or that it was executed three days after it was issued. You are just throwing random things out there to try to create issues where none exist.

They are two separate issues. One is the broadness of the warrant, which implies a fishing expedition. If you know there are specific documents pertinent to national security, such that you need a raid, you don't have to be that broad in the warrant. The issue of timeliness further supports a fishing expedition.

You’re being intentionally obtuse. The DOJ was seeking two categories of materials: (1) all documents that are subject to the PRA and (2) a subset of those documents that are subject to positive controls based on classification status. The warrant necessarily has to be broad enough to encompass all of category (1). It’s not a fishing expedition if all materials created between 2017-2020 are subject to search and siezure. It’s also not a fishing expedition if all materials with a classification marking are within category (2). Again, they are described with reasonable particularity as required in Exhibit A. The missing piece is the affidavit of probable cause. You are chasing your own tail, blindfolded.

So now you admit the warrant was broad. Good to know.

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Troll says FBI lied a couple of times among millions of accurate statements.

Troll forgets Trump lies all the time, and maybe had a handful of true statements in his life.

BUT SURE, IT'S THE FBI THAT'S THE BIG OL' MEANIE HERE.

Falsifying a document to get a FISA is very serious. VERY

So much worse than Trump selling nuclear secrets to enemies of the state, eh?

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Troll says FBI lied a couple of times among millions of accurate statements.

Troll forgets Trump lies all the time, and maybe had a handful of true statements in his life.

BUT SURE, IT'S THE FBI THAT'S THE BIG OL' MEANIE HERE.

Falsifying a document to get a FISA is very serious. VERY

So much worse than Trump selling nuclear secrets to enemies of the state, eh?

That's a very serious charge. Can you link to your source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump's lawyer Christina Bobb says Trump watched the search from New York on the MAL CCTV

oBaMa WiReTaPpEd TrUmP tOwEr redux. Recycling all the hits.

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.

Search warrants can be executed on weekends. More likely there were strategic reasons to wait a few days, such as needing to fully briefs the agents who would be executing the raid on what they are looking for, putting together a plan for where they were to search to make sure no areas were overlooked, the number of other people who would be on the premises at the time (if DOJ was trying to keep this low profile and there are far fewer guests/club members at Mar-a-Lago on a Monday than a Saturday, that could make Monday preferable to execute).

The warrant covers all documents for all four years. I don't think that's specific enough to require two weeks.

The Presidential Records Act pertains to all documents created between 1/20/2017 and 1/20/2020. The warrant allows for the search and siezurecof such documents at a specified address. What’s so confusing?

Glad you agree with me.

DP. It seems pretty clear you have no clue what you're talking about and are just trying to confuse and distract the discussion.

Read attachment B of the warrant

I am well aware of Attachment B. I have no idea how you believe that fits into whether it was appropriate that the court allowed fourteen days to execute the warrant or that it was executed three days after it was issued. You are just throwing random things out there to try to create issues where none exist.

They are two separate issues. One is the broadness of the warrant, which implies a fishing expedition. If you know there are specific documents pertinent to national security, such that you need a raid, you don't have to be that broad in the warrant. The issue of timeliness further supports a fishing expedition.

You’re being intentionally obtuse. The DOJ was seeking two categories of materials: (1) all documents that are subject to the PRA and (2) a subset of those documents that are subject to positive controls based on classification status. The warrant necessarily has to be broad enough to encompass all of category (1). It’s not a fishing expedition if all materials created between 2017-2020 are subject to search and siezure. It’s also not a fishing expedition if all materials with a classification marking are within category (2). Again, they are described with reasonable particularity as required in Exhibit A. The missing piece is the affidavit of probable cause. You are chasing your own tail, blindfolded.

So now you admit the warrant was broad. Good to know.

The warrant was tailored appropriately to the scope of the alleged violation of law. No more. No less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Troll says FBI lied a couple of times among millions of accurate statements.

Troll forgets Trump lies all the time, and maybe had a handful of true statements in his life.

BUT SURE, IT'S THE FBI THAT'S THE BIG OL' MEANIE HERE.

Falsifying a document to get a FISA is very serious. VERY

So much worse than Trump selling nuclear secrets to enemies of the state, eh?

That's a very serious charge. Can you link to your source?

Says person demonstrating lack of familiarity with rhetorical statements.

[Anonymous]

Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

Ugh. The second point turns my stomach.

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.

Search warrants can be executed on weekends. More likely there were strategic reasons to wait a few days, such as needing to fully briefs the agents who would be executing the raid on what they are looking for, putting together a plan for where they were to search to make sure no areas were overlooked, the number of other people who would be on the premises at the time (if DOJ was trying to keep this low profile and there are far fewer guests/club members at Mar-a-Lago on a Monday than a Saturday, that could make Monday preferable to execute).

The warrant covers all documents for all four years. I don't think that's specific enough to require two weeks.

What are you talking about?

My suggestion is to get caught up

I am caught up. Are you talking about the judge giving two weeks for the warrant to be executed? That's not unusual at all so I don't know what you think is suspicious there.

In matters of extreme national security, which is what's being used to justify the raid, it would be highly unusual to wait.

That is at the discretion of the men and women in blue on the ground. The Judge simply grants the ability to act.

Who tells them when to go in? I would imagine the DOJ is involved, as is the FBI head

What is your point? Do you dispute any of the facts as presented? It's pretty clear that Trump is a criminal. The FBI dotted their I's and crossed their Ts.

We know the FBI has lied in the past:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/fbi-attorney-admits-altering-email-used-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

So why should anyone trust that they are squeaky clean now?

Every person in federal prison is there in part on the basis of a search or testimony of federal law enforcement. You going to take the position every one of them should be let out because of the FBI has lied before?

In this particular case, with this particular man, the FBI deliberately falsified documents.

No they didn’t. You’re a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.

Search warrants can be executed on weekends. More likely there were strategic reasons to wait a few days, such as needing to fully briefs the agents who would be executing the raid on what they are looking for, putting together a plan for where they were to search to make sure no areas were overlooked, the number of other people who would be on the premises at the time (if DOJ was trying to keep this low profile and there are far fewer guests/club members at Mar-a-Lago on a Monday than a Saturday, that could make Monday preferable to execute).

The warrant covers all documents for all four years. I don't think that's specific enough to require two weeks.

What are you talking about?

My suggestion is to get caught up

I am caught up. Are you talking about the judge giving two weeks for the warrant to be executed? That's not unusual at all so I don't know what you think is suspicious there.

In matters of extreme national security, which is what's being used to justify the raid, it would be highly unusual to wait.

That is at the discretion of the men and women in blue on the ground. The Judge simply grants the ability to act.

Who tells them when to go in? I would imagine the DOJ is involved, as is the FBI head

What is your point? Do you dispute any of the facts as presented? It's pretty clear that Trump is a criminal. The FBI dotted their I's and crossed their Ts.

We know the FBI has lied in the past:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/fbi-attorney-admits-altering-email-used-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

So why should anyone trust that they are squeaky clean now?

Every person in federal prison is there in part on the basis of a search or testimony of federal law enforcement. You going to take the position every one of them should be let out because of the FBI has lied before?

In this particular case, with this particular man, the FBI deliberately falsified documents.

No they didn’t. You’re a liar.

Don’t wrestle with a pig. You get muddy and they get to enjoy it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

The second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Probable cause can be established by a showing that materials subject to the Espionage Act were in the possession and control of a person but are now unaccounted for and not otherwise under positive control by NARA and/or those materials are known to be located at a specified unsecured location without legal authority. The FBI obtains warrants on this basis all the time when government employees or contractors are involved in mishandling classified or confidential material.

It’s also quite possible that there was a sudden sense of urgency triggered by information obtained through intelligence, surveillance or a witness/source.

[Anonymous]

I wonder who the informant is.