ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I knew how to copy and paste a screenshot of a text onto this thread, I’d post the text from Trish the Commish saying they have to change to SY with everyone else. You guys always think everyone’s lying to you.

You're a lieing machine.

What do you get from making things up and being a know it all?

If GA chooses to do SY they'll announce it.

Did you mean “lying” machine? Me correcting your spelling has more characteristics of being a know at all than me telling you that GA is going school year. I have a text from the commissioner of the GA. There’s no making it up or lying. What you all don’t understand is that sometimes people know stuff and we’re trying to share it with you and help you out, not make it up. If somebody sends me directions, how to post a screenshot from my photos onto this chat I’ll post it.

I see that youre doubling down on the lies.

Stop making things up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

Take two kids born in August. One starts school right before she turns 5 and the other waits to start just before she turns 6. They are both the same age. One is not an "older player" and one wouldn't be "playing down" if they were on the same team. IF anything, the girl who waited to start school later is the one playing down with other kids who are up to a full year younger than her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

Pedantic much? OK, she can play with the grade BELOW her current grade or stay with her current grade. Feel better? 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

Take two kids born in August. One starts school right before she turns 5 and the other waits to start just before she turns 6. They are both the same age. One is not an "older player" and one wouldn't be "playing down" if they were on the same team. IF anything, the girl who waited to start school later is the one playing down with other kids who are up to a full year younger than her.

Gee never thought about that... Sigh...

Now explain how recruiters will handle looking at a team and expecting all players to graduate in year X but some are graduating a year earlier. Its the same difficulties that BY trapped players go through but in reverse if Aug birthdays choose to play down.

For leagues if you can keep all players in groupings by grade it helps recruiters and coaches out a lot when looking for potential college players.

Hence why SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff is much better than a straight 8/1 cutoff.

[Anonymous]

And yet it won't happen, please for the love of all that is soccer, stop talking about +30 or +60 plans.

So there was a GA meeting today ? Is this all hot air or do we expect an announcement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And yet it won't happen, please for the love of all that is soccer, stop talking about +30 or +60 plans.

So there was a GA meeting today ? Is this all hot air or do we expect an announcement?

Theres a very good chance that SY+30 is being considered. It solves the playing down issue (by not allowing) and guarantees all players on a field will be graduating the same year.

College recruiters and coaches would love watching showcase games knowing that all players on a team will be graduating a certain year.

For youth clubs grouping players is easy because all you'd have to do is ask new players what grade they are in school and their grouping is set. (Other than the GY hold back cheaters that are trying to play down. But they're blocked in a single 8/1 cutoff as well so it doesnt matter)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

Pedantic much? OK, she can play with the grade BELOW her current grade or stay with her current grade. Feel better? 🙄

Actually, yes. The August birthdays can choose to play up if they want to for recruiting purposes - but for the 95% of travel kids who aren't going to play in college you can't deride them as "playing down" just for playing in their age group. No one has been claiming current Q1 and Q2 kids are playing down all these years when half their team is a grade below them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

Pedantic much? OK, she can play with the grade BELOW her current grade or stay with her current grade. Feel better? 🙄

Actually, yes. The August birthdays can choose to play up if they want to for recruiting purposes - but for the 95% of travel kids who aren't going to play in college you can't deride them as "playing down" just for playing in their age group. No one has been claiming current Q1 and Q2 kids are playing down all these years when half their team is a grade below them.

It wasnt used in the pejorative. The whole point of the change was to group kids by school year. Due to varying school start dates a very small subset of August birthdays in 9-1 start dates, that were not held back, will have the option of playing in the grade below (down) or staying with their current grade. Nobody will think less of your daughter being a grade ahead and playing wiht the grade below as it is within the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

Pedantic much? OK, she can play with the grade BELOW her current grade or stay with her current grade. Feel better? 🙄

Actually, yes. The August birthdays can choose to play up if they want to for recruiting purposes - but for the 95% of travel kids who aren't going to play in college you can't deride them as "playing down" just for playing in their age group. No one has been claiming current Q1 and Q2 kids are playing down all these years when half their team is a grade below them.

It wasnt used in the pejorative. The whole point of the change was to group kids by school year. Due to varying school start dates a very small subset of August birthdays in 9-1 start dates, that were not held back, will have the option of playing in the grade below (down) or staying with their current grade. Nobody will think less of your daughter being a grade ahead and playing wiht the grade below as it is within the rules.

If you choose to have your aug birthday kids play down when theyre young. Youre almost guaranteeing that you'll need to hold them back in school one year when/if they get to recruitment age.

You can say that you wont hold them back but free college via a scholorship is hard to resist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

Pedantic much? OK, she can play with the grade BELOW her current grade or stay with her current grade. Feel better? 🙄

Actually, yes. The August birthdays can choose to play up if they want to for recruiting purposes - but for the 95% of travel kids who aren't going to play in college you can't deride them as "playing down" just for playing in their age group. No one has been claiming current Q1 and Q2 kids are playing down all these years when half their team is a grade below them.

It wasnt used in the pejorative. The whole point of the change was to group kids by school year. Due to varying school start dates a very small subset of August birthdays in 9-1 start dates, that were not held back, will have the option of playing in the grade below (down) or staying with their current grade. Nobody will think less of your daughter being a grade ahead and playing wiht the grade below as it is within the rules.

If you choose to have your aug birthday kids play down when theyre young. Youre almost guaranteeing that you'll need to hold them back in school one year when/if they get to recruitment age.

You can say that you wont hold them back but free college via a scholorship is hard to resist.

100% Correct, creating a system that encourages parents to hold back players for soccer is somehting leagues are trying to avoid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GA going 8-1. No surprise.

Then MLS Next is an apparent lone ranger staying BY. Interesting.

Not saying it isn't correct or will be correct, but that post was speculative and has no sources

To be fair, had the poster said he/she is actually at the GA meeting, it would be dismissed as bullshit.

I was in the GA meeting.

Age cutoffs WERE discussed. However, no change was proposed, no change was made. Just a discussion around the implications of staying BY vs 8/1.

Status quo was the plan moving forward. And remains the plan at the moment. But it was also pointed out that US Soccer has now given us the freedom to change down the road if the MLS alliance turns out to be a dud, and if the NWSL platform plans don’t get off the ground.

Basically the TLR is no change for now, but we’ll wait and watch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GA going 8-1. No surprise.

Then MLS Next is an apparent lone ranger staying BY. Interesting.

Not saying it isn't correct or will be correct, but that post was speculative and has no sources

To be fair, had the poster said he/she is actually at the GA meeting, it would be dismissed as bullshit.

I was in the GA meeting.

Age cutoffs WERE discussed. However, no change was proposed, no change was made. Just a discussion around the implications of staying BY vs 8/1.

Status quo was the plan moving forward. And remains the plan at the moment. But it was also pointed out that US Soccer has now given us the freedom to change down the road if the MLS alliance turns out to be a dud, and if the NWSL platform plans don’t get off the ground.

Basically the TLR is no change for now, but we’ll wait and watch.

What are the NWSL platform plans?

Is this acadamies or some version thereof?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Occam’s razor.

Anyone with any sense knew GA was going to do the same thing as everyone else. Yeah yeah, MLS next staying BY (maybe) but that is a different animal than GA/ECNL/USYS.

I would bet a large sum that GA does SY with an 8-1 cutoff. Any other outcome would defy basic logic for a variety of reasons.

Maybe GA will do SY+30 with a 9/1 cutoff.

Its the same thing as 8/1 but doesnt allow older players to play down. GA players would be able to play in US Soccers events and ECNL could mostly play in USSSA (GA) events.

This would address all the parents questions and wouldn't allow playing down a grade in Aug birthdays.

🙄

Say it with me……..GA is going to do the EXACT same thing as USYS, AYSO and US Club. Straight 8/1-7/31 cut off. The small percentage of girls born in August in 9-1 start dates will be given the opportunity to stay up with their class or play with the younger class. There are no (.001%) more trapped players in the classic sense and nobody cares about “harming” those that held their kid back.

Say it with me US Club initially had a 9/1 cutoff then changed to 8/1. Theres still plenty of time to implement 3-4 different last minute changes. US Club is just starting to see how much of a pain the Aug birthdays playing down will be.

some of these clubs have 100+ teams that over lap multiple states. There is very little chance they make this more complicated than a straight 12 month birthdate time frame. Nobody wants to have to administer anything beyond a basic birth certificate. There is no pain in August birthdays. They can play up or down. They get more choice than any of the girls born in the other 11 months.

But choose to believe whatever you want. Just bookmark this post for future reference.

Playing within your 12 month window isn't playing down. Is every other kid playing within their 12 month window also playing down?

Pedantic much? OK, she can play with the grade BELOW her current grade or stay with her current grade. Feel better? 🙄

Actually, yes. The August birthdays can choose to play up if they want to for recruiting purposes - but for the 95% of travel kids who aren't going to play in college you can't deride them as "playing down" just for playing in their age group. No one has been claiming current Q1 and Q2 kids are playing down all these years when half their team is a grade below them.

It wasnt used in the pejorative. The whole point of the change was to group kids by school year. Due to varying school start dates a very small subset of August birthdays in 9-1 start dates, that were not held back, will have the option of playing in the grade below (down) or staying with their current grade. Nobody will think less of your daughter being a grade ahead and playing wiht the grade below as it is within the rules.

If you choose to have your aug birthday kids play down when theyre young. Youre almost guaranteeing that you'll need to hold them back in school one year when/if they get to recruitment age.

You can say that you wont hold them back but free college via a scholorship is hard to resist.

Not a problem. My daughter is in the 95% of travel players who likely won't be getting scholarship offers. And even if she did, I'd rather pay for her to go to a good in-state school of her choice than end up at whatever crappy school happens to send an offer. Radford? Some private division II, III that offers 50% off their inflated private school price? No thanks.