Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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I graduated from college long, long ago. I still remember a professor telling us that we would not have discipline problems if we had good lesson plans!

Wasn't true then and isn't true now. But, all the tricks that teachers used to use to enforce order are now "no-no's." Like taking the class out of the room when one kid is out of control. Used to be we moved the disruptive kid.

And, this IEP thing is out of hand. Everyone wants one for their kid these days--when some of them just need structure and discipline--and mostly parents with common sense. And, the 'twice exceptional" parents are the worst.

Please don't generalize all IEP kids as discipline problems. My two IEP kids have reading, writing and math goals. They have Dyslexia. They IEP process for one took almost two years, COvid involved and the other about a year because we keep getting the they'll catch up run around in first grade, so it took into second grade to get. One does have ADHD but is never been a discipline problem, I've been told by teachers. Mostly they get inattentive and sometimes need check-ins or reminders. Also they are not get at self advocating if they miss something. THey have been working hard in these areas with their teachers. I'm a parent that wants to know if my child is causing issues and I will work with you to problem solve.

Back in the day, most of the kids with IEP had learning issues--the type of thing you say your kids have. That was the intention of an IEP. Today, it seems like a lot of kids have them for behavioral issues.

Yes. Teachers are not talking about the LD/ADHD kiddos. It's the out of control behaviors-where a child needs a 1:1 all day to make it through and parents want to place blame on the school.

IEPS tend to fall in three categories in a Gen Ed classroom.

LD but well behaved and eager to learn
Behavior
Or LD and Behavior

In my school we tend to see most of the behaviors from ESOL kids who lack a lot of structure at home.

Interesting....we see the kids with a lack of structure at home for sure.... but it's not ESOL families. Everyone likes to say its technology. Honestly it's more a lack of kids not having boundaries at home... a lack of hearing the word no or stop or not right now. You don't have to be strict to teach your kids boundaries and an understanding that there are other people/kids in the world. Coaches and teachers can't cater to one or two kids when they have 15-30....parents need to realize this as well. Little Johnny is not the only kid at school. Homeschool is always an option if thats what you need.

I’m an ESOL teacher and my students are much better behaved then their non-ESOL classmates. But the poor behavior all makes sense when you talk to parents. Many are young and have no interest in parenting. They want to be their kid’s friend. They like dressing them up and watching TikTok with them. It’s sad because the parent never really grew up themselves.

The Level 1 and 2 students are not an issue. It tends to be Level 3 and 4. They tend to be the hispanic kids and the parents don’t know how to support/discipline because they are working.

Please vote for politicians that will do something about limiting migration of mass numbers of people with little to no skills. My MIL worked as a high school teacher in a small city up north and would have "students" in her class that appeared to be in their mid 20s that seemed to have never seen the inside of a school previously, were completely illiterate, and did not speak a single word of english. She retired early. Why must our tax dollars be spent this way?

WHy don't you worry about the citizens who have little or no skills and still causing problems? Are you in support of that? Because there are plenty? If you are not, you're just a racist. Yes, a racist.

Do you realize how much money is being spent on migrants that could be spent on citizens?

This. I think parents would be shocked to learn many of our schools discipline issues are not even US citizens. The amount of money/energy we spend on non citizens is ridiculous. Citizens should 100 percent be the priority. Kids who are behaviors and not citizens should be expelled.

The most horrendous behavior I’ve had over the years (in ES), chair throwers, desk flippers, fighting, etc have all come from white middle-class families that have no structure or discipline at home.

Most of these parents are crazy white liberals. They will be like, "Now little Timmy, you shouldn't do that. It's not nice." Little Timmy need a good ol whoopin, that's what he need. You do that kinda stuff in school and heres the 'ol belt. Now that's what I'm talkin about. Theres gotta be consequences to actions.

Yes, it's like they don't want to hurt the kid's feelings or something. Somewhere along the way, the message went out that you will permanently damage your kid if you make your kid cry.

I think the issue is parents can enforce limits and consequences without getting angry, but people don’t understand the nuance so it turned into permissive parenting rather than hold the line without screaming parenting. Kids needs limits. If a kid cries because they don’t like the limit, you can comfort your kid but DON”T GIVE IN. Too many people give in. Also, we have lost the art of teaching kids social skills in favor of their impulses. You can teach your kid the rules in a way that draws attention to the fact that other people exist and have needs, but parents aren’t doing that. They are just giving in.

The abusive parenting is bad (making your kid cry and yelling/hitting is not okay). Telling your kid you are upset because you are having a hard time sitting in this restaurant and so we are leaving because you are crying and people here are paying to eat their food without you screaming is fine. Take them out and bring them back when they are ready. There is a limit (no crying) and there is a consequence (leaving and eating cold food). What isn’t okay (and used to be is saying “you’d better be quiet or I am going to spank you.” OR what is now okay is (Oh sweetie, this is hard, here is your ipad” Neither are doing a kid justice
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So true.

I have had similar thoughts many times. Basically if you don’t do gentle parenting exactly right, it quickly becomes permissive parenting. I lack the patience and temperament for gentle parenting, so I tend to be more old school. I never hit my kids or threaten to do anything physical, but I will raise my voice to get their attention. I make it clear that the world does not revolve around their wants and needs and that there are consequences for being disruptive in public. I make plenty of mistakes and I get really frustrated with my kids. It would be easy to just let them have unlimited screen time to keep them quiet
and well behaved. But I think that just hurts them in the long run so I put limits on it. I think some parents don’t have in it them to fight the daily battles for various reasons. We will all pay the price.

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Wow this is a really big thread! I have no useful comment, just wanted to be #1501.

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Why would anyone want to be a teacher when your administrators and school board will not allow disruptive / violent kids to get any effective consequences?

Yep. Learned my lesson the hard way. I used to think teaching would be the ideal career for me. Now it’s not much more than punishment, every single day.

You need to leave and apply to a well run school system with a strong superintendent and leadership team who have supports for kids who exhibit extreme behaviors but also aren't afraid to give consequences for violent behavior. What's being described on this thread would be a nightmare for kids and teachers/staff.

Yes FCPS is extremely difficult to work for. Any recommendations for a good county? One that respects and supports it's teachers? Behavior is a huge piece but it also comes down to teachers needing time to do their jobs and putting the education of kids who want to learn first.

Move to the Atlanta area. Some of their suburban systems are outstanding, supportive places to work.

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Anonymous wrote:Require the parents to sit in the classroom for a while.

The teachers are not the ones to raise your kids!

They are highly offended when they have to come get their kids for being violent towards students and staff.

Lol. Those parents never answer the phone. They’re no dummies. They have no problem telling us that their kids are not their problem when they’re at school.

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In LCPS, a patient blocked the school’s#

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Anonymous wrote:Require the parents to sit in the classroom for a while.

The teachers are not the ones to raise your kids!

They are highly offended when they have to come get their kids for being violent towards students and staff.

Lol. Those parents never answer the phone. They’re no dummies. They have no problem telling us that their kids are not their problem when they’re at school.

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In LCPS, a patient blocked the school’s#

I had a HS student whose parents relayed to all teachers through the school counselor that we were not to contact them anymore about their child. I've also had a few hang up on me the moment they realized I was a teacher.

Then you have those who say they don't read their e-mail or never got your e-mails with the progress reports or the SIS calls about absences. I know some of that is opt in, but come on. Do your job.

You also have those who are separated or divorced and don't communicate at all or even use their kid as a pawn to get back at each other. So if one parent tries to be strict, the other one becomes highly permissive and blames everything on you.

You have those who say "I believe my child when he/she says that..." Yeah because I somehow have an agenda to stay late, make up stuff and spend my time on the phone/e-mail complaining to you? Your child is at most 1/150 th of the kids I have to think about every week.

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Why would anyone want to be a teacher when your administrators and school board will not allow disruptive / violent kids to get any effective consequences?

Yep. Learned my lesson the hard way. I used to think teaching would be the ideal career for me. Now it’s not much more than punishment, every single day.

You need to leave and apply to a well run school system with a strong superintendent and leadership team who have supports for kids who exhibit extreme behaviors but also aren't afraid to give consequences for violent behavior. What's being described on this thread would be a nightmare for kids and teachers/staff.

Yes FCPS is extremely difficult to work for. Any recommendations for a good county? One that respects and supports it's teachers? Behavior is a huge piece but it also comes down to teachers needing time to do their jobs and putting the education of kids who want to learn first.

Move to the Atlanta area. Some of their suburban systems are outstanding, supportive places to work.

Weren't Atlanta schools building elementary schools without playgrounds because they didn't have recess anymore? Not exactly a place most teachers would want to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Require the parents to sit in the classroom for a while.

The teachers are not the ones to raise your kids!

They are highly offended when they have to come get their kids for being violent towards students and staff.

Lol. Those parents never answer the phone. They’re no dummies. They have no problem telling us that their kids are not their problem when they’re at school.

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In LCPS, a patient blocked the school’s#

I had a HS student whose parents relayed to all teachers through the school counselor that we were not to contact them anymore about their child. I've also had a few hang up on me the moment they realized I was a teacher.

Then you have those who say they don't read their e-mail or never got your e-mails with the progress reports or the SIS calls about absences. I know some of that is opt in, but come on. Do your job.

You also have those who are separated or divorced and don't communicate at all or even use their kid as a pawn to get back at each other. So if one parent tries to be strict, the other one becomes highly permissive and blames everything on you.

You have those who say "I believe my child when he/she says that..." Yeah because I somehow have an agenda to stay late, make up stuff and spend my time on the phone/e-mail complaining to you? Your child is at most 1/150 th of the kids I have to think about every week.

I don’t think “normal” parents realize what a piece of work some other parents are. My mom taught for many years and her stories were just crazy. When a kid is out of control the family/home life is usually a big part of the problem. There were exceptions where really nice and involved parents had kids with serious issues and were doing what they could to try to help. But usually it was what PPs have described.

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I’m in school health and can’t believe how many parents are unable to be reached during the school day; “voicemail is full,” “voicemail that has not been set up …goodbye” or the ominous, “doo doo doo…this number is not in service.”

I’m using the number or numbers you’ve put into SIS. And no, the registrar didn’t put in the wrong number.

Your DC will typically mention, “mom won’t pick up if it’s a call from school. I have to text her or call her from my phone.”

Happens far too often.

If you are a single, working parent all the more need to list friends/family/coworkers who can get in touch with you immediately and or come pick up your sick kid.

Don’t become exasperated with me when I call you. I’m a working parent, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in school health and can’t believe how many parents are unable to be reached during the school day; “voicemail is full,” “voicemail that has not been set up …goodbye” or the ominous, “doo doo doo…this number is not in service.”

I’m using the number or numbers you’ve put into SIS. And no, the registrar didn’t put in the wrong number.

Your DC will typically mention, “mom won’t pick up if it’s a call from school. I have to text her or call her from my phone.”

Happens far too often.

If you are a single, working parent all the more need to list friends/family/coworkers who can get in touch with you immediately and or come pick up your sick kid.

Don’t become exasperated with me when I call you. I’m a working parent, too.

AMEN and to piggy back on this, teachers get called to get their kids too. I had an admin make a comment because my kids were sick....umm yeah I'm a parent and when we get called no matter the job we hold we have to take care of our kids. I really don't care that FCPS is short on subs. Another reason teachers are resigning-people act like we should be chained to the desk. Crazy that we have families

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Anonymous wrote:I would also make the School Board members teach classes in trailers they do nothing about if they want to get the 50% bump-up in salary next year.

My son’s trailer at Kent Gardens was badly infested with black mold.

I only found out about it from his teacher, who he suffering increasingly bad respiratory distress. She was pregnant at the time.

Meanwhile, the current school board squandered tens of millions on frivolous lawsuits, ridiculous curriculum revisions, renaming schools (it costs between half a million to one million dollars to rename each school), etc.

Teachers are running away from this school board and the disaster they have created out of FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Require the parents to sit in the classroom for a while.

The teachers are not the ones to raise your kids!

They are highly offended when they have to come get their kids for being violent towards students and staff.

Lol. Those parents never answer the phone. They’re no dummies. They have no problem telling us that their kids are not their problem when they’re at school.

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In LCPS, a patient blocked the school’s#

I had a HS student whose parents relayed to all teachers through the school counselor that we were not to contact them anymore about their child. I've also had a few hang up on me the moment they realized I was a teacher.

Then you have those who say they don't read their e-mail or never got your e-mails with the progress reports or the SIS calls about absences. I know some of that is opt in, but come on. Do your job.

You also have those who are separated or divorced and don't communicate at all or even use their kid as a pawn to get back at each other. So if one parent tries to be strict, the other one becomes highly permissive and blames everything on you.

You have those who say "I believe my child when he/she says that..." Yeah because I somehow have an agenda to stay late, make up stuff and spend my time on the phone/e-mail complaining to you? Your child is at most 1/150 th of the kids I have to think about every week.

Strangely there are teachers that don't believe parents. I've gone to teachers with my beginning list of issues my kid has as a disabled child and they've turned on me on a dime because my child will say something different. Then of course by the end of the year I'm proven right and we've lost another year. Unfortunately, while there are complaints about parents who don't do enough there are also complaints about too much "helicoptering" as well which is next to impossible for a mainstreamed special needs child but they just think everyone is the same. Basically, the gist I get is that teachers don't really like adults either way. They like to be autonomous.

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Anonymous wrote:I would also make the School Board members teach classes in trailers they do nothing about if they want to get the 50% bump-up in salary next year.

My son’s trailer at Kent Gardens was badly infested with black mold.

I only found out about it from his teacher, who he suffering increasingly bad respiratory distress. She was pregnant at the time.

Meanwhile, the current school board squandered tens of millions on frivolous lawsuits, ridiculous curriculum revisions, renaming schools (it costs between half a million to one million dollars to rename each school), etc.

Teachers are running away from this school board and the disaster they have created out of FCPS.

Nah, teachers are running away from schools nationwide because nutty parents, right-wing smear campaigns, political witch-hunts and career-minded administrators have made their jobs impossible.

[Anonymous]

Bumping this as a reminder :if you're spending your weekend emailing paragraphs to your child's teacher after the first week of school, it won't take Nostradamus to predict your next post here is my child's teacher quit in November. If anyone is wondering why that your child has 30 kids in the class, please go through the last 30 pages of this as a reminder.

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Anonymous wrote:Bumping this as a reminder :if you're spending your weekend emailing paragraphs to your child's teacher after the first week of school, it won't take Nostradamus to predict your next post here is my child's teacher quit in November. If anyone is wondering why that your child has 30 kids in the class, please go through the last 30 pages of this as a reminder.

+1. Also to the crazy parents, crazy governor, all making our jobs hard. I said to my husband, “I’m just so tired of going to work and knowing that EVERYONE (parents, admin, board, higher ups) are mad at us constantly. I just want to do what is right and no one agrees and it is constant battles.”

For F’s sakes we were told in a training (different district) that if we have cancer and “holes in our body” we have to go in and cheerfully take care of the kids.

I’m so done.

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Why would anyone want to be a teacher when your administrators and school board will not allow disruptive / violent kids to get any effective consequences?

Yep. Learned my lesson the hard way. I used to think teaching would be the ideal career for me. Now it’s not much more than punishment, every single day.

You need to leave and apply to a well run school system with a strong superintendent and leadership team who have supports for kids who exhibit extreme behaviors but also aren't afraid to give consequences for violent behavior. What's being described on this thread would be a nightmare for kids and teachers/staff.

Yes FCPS is extremely difficult to work for. Any recommendations for a good county? One that respects and supports it's teachers? Behavior is a huge piece but it also comes down to teachers needing time to do their jobs and putting the education of kids who want to learn first.

Go private! I left to teach in a private high school when I became fed up with my county (in MD). The transfer renewed my love of teaching. I’m respected as a professional and I work WITH a competent admin team instead of FOR vindictive, micromanaging admin.

In a perfect world, I would have stayed and supported public schools. I was just so tired of the poor treatment.