Gentrification shaming makes no sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:This issue isn't easy, but permit me to make a few points and ask a few questions:

Property Taxes The idea that long term black owners are being pushed out due to property taxes doesn't comport with the realty of DC's property tax regime. DC has a homestead deduction that caps the amount property a tax liability can increase in any given year. 25% of a number set 30 years ago is nominal. And that number is much lower than in most jurisdictions that may only reassess every 5 or 10 years but don't have a cap. Furthermore, DC's mill rate is exceedingly low. You can argue that our income tax is regressive (I personally think it is at more than 8% for people making basically at 2x the poverty line), but that's got nothing to do with property tax. That's a red herring/lazy argument that simply doesn't hold up tp scrutiny. Please show me the actual data that shows a long term (read: generational owners) are moving from DC due to property tax increases. That data would include the comparative property tax rates paid in new jurisdictions (which in most cases would be higher than in DC).

Forced Out What does it mean to be "forced out"? I'm asking in all seriousness. If a family that lived through the crack epidemic in (what is now known as) NoMa realized that their investment (or the investment from their parents or grandparents) allows them to cash out and move to a lower COL jurisdiction, is that a push or a pull? If they sell to a black family does that change your answer? Real estate is one of the most accessible ways to create wealth; in some cases generational wealth. The idea that white people driving up housing prices and creating opportunities for black families to cash in ignores the positive societal result of black families creating wealth. The unspoken policy initiative here seems to be that black families don't have the right to cash in, and if they do they are "selling out" or they aren't doing it of their own free will.

Moving into a new neighborhood necessarily means acquiescing to whatever has been going on prior to your arrival This one cracks me up. It creates a false equivalence between calling the police on a black person walking down the street with calling the police for actual drug or crime activity. If I witness a crime committed by a black person that does not make me racist. I would argue that deciding not to call the police to report a black person due to white guilt is actually racist; it presumes that the illegal activity is inherently black; that's crap. I have lived for 20 years in a neighborhood that was the epicenter of the crack epidemic in DC. If you know anything about DC you know exactly where I live. The long term residents of this neighborhood didn't want crack and violence in their community. They don't speak of it as some badge of honor or look back fondly to secure street cred that they are black enough. They didn't want to be raising their kids in a neighborhood that had MPD on the take. This idea from purported deep thinkers that allowing crime to persist is necessary to perpetuate black culture conflates criminality of just being black with actual criminal activity. The fact that some (white) people can't tell the difference doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Stores that cater to "white people" are bad This is too easy and creates a construct that too often doesn't match with reality. H Street NE was burned out after the riots. Prior to that it was a epicenter of black culture in DC. But that ceased after the riots. You can blame DC pols for failing to create viable economic reinvestment in the neighborhood (and I so; the development zones in NW were never created in NE DC and then people were shocked when development didn't come). But there were very few city services in NE DC until the rehabilitation that started in the late 90s/early 2000 (see, Autozone plaza, streetcar, etc.) Whole foods didn't displace a viable black owned business. It displaced Murray's "Supermarket". If you have lived here long enough to know anything about the area you know it had a lousy selection, terrible quality produce and high prices. The Giant that opened up 3 blocks East was a HUGE improvement. There are lots of places where rents have increased and forced out long term business owners. H Street NE is NOT one of them. In the 2000s those buildings could be acquired for a song. There's also a chicken egg conundrum. Did businesses catering to black clientele depart and the black residents followed? Or did black residents leave and the single demo businesses closed as a result?

As I said, these are tough issues. And it is important that white people be allies of the black and brown communities. But please don't confuse the desire to be allies and support your cause with some sort of obligation to just sit back and ignore the complexity of these issues. There are lots of white people running around saying "I see you. I understand you. Whatever you say I agree with." That's called liberal guilt and, in my experience, it lasts exactly as long as it takes for those people to have adverse financial interests. If you want long term partnership then you need to be willing to have these types of conversations. Engage. If someone disagrees with you don't scream "racist" and walk away. "Read the literature" is a silly response. If there is literature on point then by all means cite it so I can read it, think critically about it and ask questions.

I will now sit back and enjoy being called a racist...

I appreciate your thoughtful post. I completely agree with you about Black homeowners in DC, due to the reasons you listed. I think that in DC, the people who are hurt by gentrification are renters. I assume that working class Black families who rented in Columbia Heights in 2000 can no longer afford to rent there, and thus have been forced out. And that sucks.

Where I disagree with you about crime and calling the police. I think that there’s some nuance here that matters greatly. If you witness a murder, by all means, call the police! But yes, I do believe that you need to think twice about calling the police on Black people for matters that don’t involve immediate safety or serious crimes. There are waaaaay too many white people who will call the police on Black people for “looking suspicious” or “loitering” or god knows what else and it’s putting people in danger. And drugs - it’s easy to say “well, that’s illegal and law abiding neighbors don’t want it” - but how many white people do you know who have done plenty of coke with no repercussions? That’s not a coincidence - that’s institutional racism, and I don’t want to be a part of it. So no, as a white gentrifier, I don’t think it’s okay to call the police on a Black neighbor committing a drug crime.

You’re crazy. I would call the police if I witness a drug crime. I don’t care if the person is black, white, Asian, Latino, or whatever. It’s illegal. Full stop.

I’m the OP. Serious question: Have you ever been offered coke at a party? Or have you ever been aware that a friend or acquaintance used cocaine? If so, did you call the police?

I’m the PP and the answer to all your questions above is no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This issue isn't easy, but permit me to make a few points and ask a few questions:

Property Taxes The idea that long term black owners are being pushed out due to property taxes doesn't comport with the realty of DC's property tax regime. DC has a homestead deduction that caps the amount property a tax liability can increase in any given year. 25% of a number set 30 years ago is nominal. And that number is much lower than in most jurisdictions that may only reassess every 5 or 10 years but don't have a cap. Furthermore, DC's mill rate is exceedingly low. You can argue that our income tax is regressive (I personally think it is at more than 8% for people making basically at 2x the poverty line), but that's got nothing to do with property tax. That's a red herring/lazy argument that simply doesn't hold up tp scrutiny. Please show me the actual data that shows a long term (read: generational owners) are moving from DC due to property tax increases. That data would include the comparative property tax rates paid in new jurisdictions (which in most cases would be higher than in DC).

Forced Out What does it mean to be "forced out"? I'm asking in all seriousness. If a family that lived through the crack epidemic in (what is now known as) NoMa realized that their investment (or the investment from their parents or grandparents) allows them to cash out and move to a lower COL jurisdiction, is that a push or a pull? If they sell to a black family does that change your answer? Real estate is one of the most accessible ways to create wealth; in some cases generational wealth. The idea that white people driving up housing prices and creating opportunities for black families to cash in ignores the positive societal result of black families creating wealth. The unspoken policy initiative here seems to be that black families don't have the right to cash in, and if they do they are "selling out" or they aren't doing it of their own free will.

Moving into a new neighborhood necessarily means acquiescing to whatever has been going on prior to your arrival This one cracks me up. It creates a false equivalence between calling the police on a black person walking down the street with calling the police for actual drug or crime activity. If I witness a crime committed by a black person that does not make me racist. I would argue that deciding not to call the police to report a black person due to white guilt is actually racist; it presumes that the illegal activity is inherently black; that's crap. I have lived for 20 years in a neighborhood that was the epicenter of the crack epidemic in DC. If you know anything about DC you know exactly where I live. The long term residents of this neighborhood didn't want crack and violence in their community. They don't speak of it as some badge of honor or look back fondly to secure street cred that they are black enough. They didn't want to be raising their kids in a neighborhood that had MPD on the take. This idea from purported deep thinkers that allowing crime to persist is necessary to perpetuate black culture conflates criminality of just being black with actual criminal activity. The fact that some (white) people can't tell the difference doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Stores that cater to "white people" are bad This is too easy and creates a construct that too often doesn't match with reality. H Street NE was burned out after the riots. Prior to that it was a epicenter of black culture in DC. But that ceased after the riots. You can blame DC pols for failing to create viable economic reinvestment in the neighborhood (and I so; the development zones in NW were never created in NE DC and then people were shocked when development didn't come). But there were very few city services in NE DC until the rehabilitation that started in the late 90s/early 2000 (see, Autozone plaza, streetcar, etc.) Whole foods didn't displace a viable black owned business. It displaced Murray's "Supermarket". If you have lived here long enough to know anything about the area you know it had a lousy selection, terrible quality produce and high prices. The Giant that opened up 3 blocks East was a HUGE improvement. There are lots of places where rents have increased and forced out long term business owners. H Street NE is NOT one of them. In the 2000s those buildings could be acquired for a song. There's also a chicken egg conundrum. Did businesses catering to black clientele depart and the black residents followed? Or did black residents leave and the single demo businesses closed as a result?

As I said, these are tough issues. And it is important that white people be allies of the black and brown communities. But please don't confuse the desire to be allies and support your cause with some sort of obligation to just sit back and ignore the complexity of these issues. There are lots of white people running around saying "I see you. I understand you. Whatever you say I agree with." That's called liberal guilt and, in my experience, it lasts exactly as long as it takes for those people to have adverse financial interests. If you want long term partnership then you need to be willing to have these types of conversations. Engage. If someone disagrees with you don't scream "racist" and walk away. "Read the literature" is a silly response. If there is literature on point then by all means cite it so I can read it, think critically about it and ask questions.

I will now sit back and enjoy being called a racist...

I appreciate your thoughtful post. I completely agree with you about Black homeowners in DC, due to the reasons you listed. I think that in DC, the people who are hurt by gentrification are renters. I assume that working class Black families who rented in Columbia Heights in 2000 can no longer afford to rent there, and thus have been forced out. And that sucks.

Where I disagree with you about crime and calling the police. I think that there’s some nuance here that matters greatly. If you witness a murder, by all means, call the police! But yes, I do believe that you need to think twice about calling the police on Black people for matters that don’t involve immediate safety or serious crimes. There are waaaaay too many white people who will call the police on Black people for “looking suspicious” or “loitering” or god knows what else and it’s putting people in danger. And drugs - it’s easy to say “well, that’s illegal and law abiding neighbors don’t want it” - but how many white people do you know who have done plenty of coke with no repercussions? That’s not a coincidence - that’s institutional racism, and I don’t want to be a part of it. So no, as a white gentrifier, I don’t think it’s okay to call the police on a Black neighbor committing a drug crime.

You’re crazy. I would call the police if I witness a drug crime. I don’t care if the person is black, white, Asian, Latino, or whatever. It’s illegal. Full stop.

I’m the OP. Serious question: Have you ever been offered coke at a party? Or have you ever been aware that a friend or acquaintance used cocaine? If so, did you call the police?

I’m the PP and the answer to all your questions above is no.

If you went with a friend to an acquaintance’s Christmas party, were having fun and enjoying yourself, ended up staying late, and then the acquaintance came over and said “hey! Just FYI a couple old buddies of mine brought some coke. I’m not into it, but if you want a little, they’d be happy to share” what would you do? Presumably you’d leave, but would you, honestly, call the cops?

If you would, well, it’s certainly not what I would do, but I’d respect it. But I think most people, if they’re honest with themselves, would just leave and never hang out with those folks again. And if that’s your honest answer, but you would call the cops if you saw a drug crime on your street - and particularly if you’re a white gentrifier, I think that’s a bit racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This issue isn't easy, but permit me to make a few points and ask a few questions:

Property Taxes The idea that long term black owners are being pushed out due to property taxes doesn't comport with the realty of DC's property tax regime. DC has a homestead deduction that caps the amount property a tax liability can increase in any given year. 25% of a number set 30 years ago is nominal. And that number is much lower than in most jurisdictions that may only reassess every 5 or 10 years but don't have a cap. Furthermore, DC's mill rate is exceedingly low. You can argue that our income tax is regressive (I personally think it is at more than 8% for people making basically at 2x the poverty line), but that's got nothing to do with property tax. That's a red herring/lazy argument that simply doesn't hold up tp scrutiny. Please show me the actual data that shows a long term (read: generational owners) are moving from DC due to property tax increases. That data would include the comparative property tax rates paid in new jurisdictions (which in most cases would be higher than in DC).

Forced Out What does it mean to be "forced out"? I'm asking in all seriousness. If a family that lived through the crack epidemic in (what is now known as) NoMa realized that their investment (or the investment from their parents or grandparents) allows them to cash out and move to a lower COL jurisdiction, is that a push or a pull? If they sell to a black family does that change your answer? Real estate is one of the most accessible ways to create wealth; in some cases generational wealth. The idea that white people driving up housing prices and creating opportunities for black families to cash in ignores the positive societal result of black families creating wealth. The unspoken policy initiative here seems to be that black families don't have the right to cash in, and if they do they are "selling out" or they aren't doing it of their own free will.

Moving into a new neighborhood necessarily means acquiescing to whatever has been going on prior to your arrival This one cracks me up. It creates a false equivalence between calling the police on a black person walking down the street with calling the police for actual drug or crime activity. If I witness a crime committed by a black person that does not make me racist. I would argue that deciding not to call the police to report a black person due to white guilt is actually racist; it presumes that the illegal activity is inherently black; that's crap. I have lived for 20 years in a neighborhood that was the epicenter of the crack epidemic in DC. If you know anything about DC you know exactly where I live. The long term residents of this neighborhood didn't want crack and violence in their community. They don't speak of it as some badge of honor or look back fondly to secure street cred that they are black enough. They didn't want to be raising their kids in a neighborhood that had MPD on the take. This idea from purported deep thinkers that allowing crime to persist is necessary to perpetuate black culture conflates criminality of just being black with actual criminal activity. The fact that some (white) people can't tell the difference doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Stores that cater to "white people" are bad This is too easy and creates a construct that too often doesn't match with reality. H Street NE was burned out after the riots. Prior to that it was a epicenter of black culture in DC. But that ceased after the riots. You can blame DC pols for failing to create viable economic reinvestment in the neighborhood (and I so; the development zones in NW were never created in NE DC and then people were shocked when development didn't come). But there were very few city services in NE DC until the rehabilitation that started in the late 90s/early 2000 (see, Autozone plaza, streetcar, etc.) Whole foods didn't displace a viable black owned business. It displaced Murray's "Supermarket". If you have lived here long enough to know anything about the area you know it had a lousy selection, terrible quality produce and high prices. The Giant that opened up 3 blocks East was a HUGE improvement. There are lots of places where rents have increased and forced out long term business owners. H Street NE is NOT one of them. In the 2000s those buildings could be acquired for a song. There's also a chicken egg conundrum. Did businesses catering to black clientele depart and the black residents followed? Or did black residents leave and the single demo businesses closed as a result?

As I said, these are tough issues. And it is important that white people be allies of the black and brown communities. But please don't confuse the desire to be allies and support your cause with some sort of obligation to just sit back and ignore the complexity of these issues. There are lots of white people running around saying "I see you. I understand you. Whatever you say I agree with." That's called liberal guilt and, in my experience, it lasts exactly as long as it takes for those people to have adverse financial interests. If you want long term partnership then you need to be willing to have these types of conversations. Engage. If someone disagrees with you don't scream "racist" and walk away. "Read the literature" is a silly response. If there is literature on point then by all means cite it so I can read it, think critically about it and ask questions.

I will now sit back and enjoy being called a racist...

I appreciate your thoughtful post. I completely agree with you about Black homeowners in DC, due to the reasons you listed. I think that in DC, the people who are hurt by gentrification are renters. I assume that working class Black families who rented in Columbia Heights in 2000 can no longer afford to rent there, and thus have been forced out. And that sucks.

Where I disagree with you about crime and calling the police. I think that there’s some nuance here that matters greatly. If you witness a murder, by all means, call the police! But yes, I do believe that you need to think twice about calling the police on Black people for matters that don’t involve immediate safety or serious crimes. There are waaaaay too many white people who will call the police on Black people for “looking suspicious” or “loitering” or god knows what else and it’s putting people in danger. And drugs - it’s easy to say “well, that’s illegal and law abiding neighbors don’t want it” - but how many white people do you know who have done plenty of coke with no repercussions? That’s not a coincidence - that’s institutional racism, and I don’t want to be a part of it. So no, as a white gentrifier, I don’t think it’s okay to call the police on a Black neighbor committing a drug crime.

You’re crazy. I would call the police if I witness a drug crime. I don’t care if the person is black, white, Asian, Latino, or whatever. It’s illegal. Full stop.

I’m the OP. Serious question: Have you ever been offered coke at a party? Or have you ever been aware that a friend or acquaintance used cocaine? If so, did you call the police?

I’m the PP and the answer to all your questions above is no.

If you went with a friend to an acquaintance’s Christmas party, were having fun and enjoying yourself, ended up staying late, and then the acquaintance came over and said “hey! Just FYI a couple old buddies of mine brought some coke. I’m not into it, but if you want a little, they’d be happy to share” what would you do? Presumably you’d leave, but would you, honestly, call the cops?

If you would, well, it’s certainly not what I would do, but I’d respect it. But I think most people, if they’re honest with themselves, would just leave and never hang out with those folks again. And if that’s your honest answer, but you would call the cops if you saw a drug crime on your street - and particularly if you’re a white gentrifier, I think that’s a bit racist.

There are middle and upper middle class black people that could also be doing drugs in your party scenario above. It’s not just white people you know.

Your naive and your comparison is also not a similar analogy. Reality is people doing drugs like cocaine in the street are likely places where they are also dealing drugs. Do nothing and it will escalate to more drugs and dealing. I suggest you talk to the old timers who lived here when DC was known as the murder capital in the country and drug dealing was rampant.

BTW, I’m not white either.

[Anonymous]

Comparing street open air drug sales and gangs to coke at a party is pretty naive. Drug use alone is not immoral.

[Anonymous]

That coke at the party likely came from organized crime in one way or another so that is not entirely without sin.

[Anonymous]

There’s nothing racist with doing blow at a party with some brothers and then calling the cops on your way home. There is nothing wrong about calling the cops on a homeless man and Falsely saying u saw him defacating in public if the guy is hanging out on your street. Homeowners regardless of color don’t want to see blacks dealing drugs or living in a tent on their streets.

[Anonymous]

And this is not a black or white thing. I know a small Italian/Irish working class community of bungalows and capes. They se to each other and try to avoid mls to keep gentrifiers out. They even created own building dept to stop tear downs and flips.

The gentrifiers would price the children out of area and jack property taxes.

Think of this. Let’s say Joe the fireman has four kids and his 300k bungalow becomes 900k. A gain of 600k.

Well all four if his kids have to pay 600k extra to live on their childhood neighborhood. For total of 2.4 million extra.

It is better to keep prices low. This town even passes a rule plumbing or electrical of any sort required a licensed plumber or electrician in that town and they don’t work with flippers. Also made commercial parking illegal. No dumpsters on street. They have some investors but more buy paint and rent but flipping or tear downs can’t make money.

The town is sacrificing short term gains to save town for their children. Homes rarely sell. Usually kids move into parents home.

This is a safe nice place but last place, cops, bus drivers, garbage men can afford. They want to keep it that way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This issue isn't easy, but permit me to make a few points and ask a few questions:

Property Taxes The idea that long term black owners are being pushed out due to property taxes doesn't comport with the realty of DC's property tax regime. DC has a homestead deduction that caps the amount property a tax liability can increase in any given year. 25% of a number set 30 years ago is nominal. And that number is much lower than in most jurisdictions that may only reassess every 5 or 10 years but don't have a cap. Furthermore, DC's mill rate is exceedingly low. You can argue that our income tax is regressive (I personally think it is at more than 8% for people making basically at 2x the poverty line), but that's got nothing to do with property tax. That's a red herring/lazy argument that simply doesn't hold up tp scrutiny. Please show me the actual data that shows a long term (read: generational owners) are moving from DC due to property tax increases. That data would include the comparative property tax rates paid in new jurisdictions (which in most cases would be higher than in DC).

Forced Out What does it mean to be "forced out"? I'm asking in all seriousness. If a family that lived through the crack epidemic in (what is now known as) NoMa realized that their investment (or the investment from their parents or grandparents) allows them to cash out and move to a lower COL jurisdiction, is that a push or a pull? If they sell to a black family does that change your answer? Real estate is one of the most accessible ways to create wealth; in some cases generational wealth. The idea that white people driving up housing prices and creating opportunities for black families to cash in ignores the positive societal result of black families creating wealth. The unspoken policy initiative here seems to be that black families don't have the right to cash in, and if they do they are "selling out" or they aren't doing it of their own free will.

Moving into a new neighborhood necessarily means acquiescing to whatever has been going on prior to your arrival This one cracks me up. It creates a false equivalence between calling the police on a black person walking down the street with calling the police for actual drug or crime activity. If I witness a crime committed by a black person that does not make me racist. I would argue that deciding not to call the police to report a black person due to white guilt is actually racist; it presumes that the illegal activity is inherently black; that's crap. I have lived for 20 years in a neighborhood that was the epicenter of the crack epidemic in DC. If you know anything about DC you know exactly where I live. The long term residents of this neighborhood didn't want crack and violence in their community. They don't speak of it as some badge of honor or look back fondly to secure street cred that they are black enough. They didn't want to be raising their kids in a neighborhood that had MPD on the take. This idea from purported deep thinkers that allowing crime to persist is necessary to perpetuate black culture conflates criminality of just being black with actual criminal activity. The fact that some (white) people can't tell the difference doesn't mean they are the same thing.

Stores that cater to "white people" are bad This is too easy and creates a construct that too often doesn't match with reality. H Street NE was burned out after the riots. Prior to that it was a epicenter of black culture in DC. But that ceased after the riots. You can blame DC pols for failing to create viable economic reinvestment in the neighborhood (and I so; the development zones in NW were never created in NE DC and then people were shocked when development didn't come). But there were very few city services in NE DC until the rehabilitation that started in the late 90s/early 2000 (see, Autozone plaza, streetcar, etc.) Whole foods didn't displace a viable black owned business. It displaced Murray's "Supermarket". If you have lived here long enough to know anything about the area you know it had a lousy selection, terrible quality produce and high prices. The Giant that opened up 3 blocks East was a HUGE improvement. There are lots of places where rents have increased and forced out long term business owners. H Street NE is NOT one of them. In the 2000s those buildings could be acquired for a song. There's also a chicken egg conundrum. Did businesses catering to black clientele depart and the black residents followed? Or did black residents leave and the single demo businesses closed as a result?

As I said, these are tough issues. And it is important that white people be allies of the black and brown communities. But please don't confuse the desire to be allies and support your cause with some sort of obligation to just sit back and ignore the complexity of these issues. There are lots of white people running around saying "I see you. I understand you. Whatever you say I agree with." That's called liberal guilt and, in my experience, it lasts exactly as long as it takes for those people to have adverse financial interests. If you want long term partnership then you need to be willing to have these types of conversations. Engage. If someone disagrees with you don't scream "racist" and walk away. "Read the literature" is a silly response. If there is literature on point then by all means cite it so I can read it, think critically about it and ask questions.

I will now sit back and enjoy being called a racist...

I appreciate your thoughtful post. I completely agree with you about Black homeowners in DC, due to the reasons you listed. I think that in DC, the people who are hurt by gentrification are renters. I assume that working class Black families who rented in Columbia Heights in 2000 can no longer afford to rent there, and thus have been forced out. And that sucks.

Where I disagree with you about crime and calling the police. I think that there’s some nuance here that matters greatly. If you witness a murder, by all means, call the police! But yes, I do believe that you need to think twice about calling the police on Black people for matters that don’t involve immediate safety or serious crimes. There are waaaaay too many white people who will call the police on Black people for “looking suspicious” or “loitering” or god knows what else and it’s putting people in danger. And drugs - it’s easy to say “well, that’s illegal and law abiding neighbors don’t want it” - but how many white people do you know who have done plenty of coke with no repercussions? That’s not a coincidence - that’s institutional racism, and I don’t want to be a part of it. So no, as a white gentrifier, I don’t think it’s okay to call the police on a Black neighbor committing a drug crime.

You’re crazy. I would call the police if I witness a drug crime. I don’t care if the person is black, white, Asian, Latino, or whatever. It’s illegal. Full stop.

I’m the OP. Serious question: Have you ever been offered coke at a party? Or have you ever been aware that a friend or acquaintance used cocaine? If so, did you call the police?

I’m the PP and the answer to all your questions above is no.

If you went with a friend to an acquaintance’s Christmas party, were having fun and enjoying yourself, ended up staying late, and then the acquaintance came over and said “hey! Just FYI a couple old buddies of mine brought some coke. I’m not into it, but if you want a little, they’d be happy to share” what would you do? Presumably you’d leave, but would you, honestly, call the cops?

If you would, well, it’s certainly not what I would do, but I’d respect it. But I think most people, if they’re honest with themselves, would just leave and never hang out with those folks again. And if that’s your honest answer, but you would call the cops if you saw a drug crime on your street - and particularly if you’re a white gentrifier, I think that’s a bit racist.

I don’t think you understand the realities of living in, ahem, in gentrified neighborhood. What kind of drug crime are we talking about here? Two guys passing you on the street smoking pot? Or a drug dealer setting shop in your building’s lobby? If the latter, hell yeah I am calling the police, and my Black neighbors will too, because those things never end well. Unlike your party example, there will be turf wars, and there will be beatings and gun shots.

[Anonymous]

^^ realities of living in ungentrified neighborhood

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Anonymous wrote:To add to 17:48's excellent analysis re property taxes---
In addition to the homeowner rate, there are also additional tax breaks given to senior citizens.

+1. Most senior citizens and disabled people who own at least half the home get a 50% break. It needs to be applied for. There is a high-ish (>100K) income cap for this benefit. There is also the Schedule H tax credit for low income owners and renters. Also needs to be something you file to claim. People can claim these things on $1 million homes. Low income seniors don't really need to begin to pay property tax until their assessed value is >$400K, and one of the lowest rates in the country above that. I used to help people apply for these things, often filing refund claims for as many open years back as possible for people. I think the problem is many people don't know they exist or don't bother to apply.

Even if they don’t apply, taxes are low and increases are capped. It’s not because of taxes for majority of people leaving.

The black people selling their homes are cashing out and going to a nice area in PG county and buying a nice large SFH with a yard for the 500k plus they are getting. Friend of a friend moved down to nice retirement community in Fl.

I’ve been in NE for 12 years. When I moved in, my long term neighbors said that the house next door is vacant. Elderly black couple who passed away and home went to the kids. None of the siblings wanted the home except for 1 son so he bought them all out. Really nice guy, lives in a nice part of Md. He says he wants to fix it up and rent it. Well, here we are 12 years later, house sitting there vacant, not renovated.

Here is what happened with another 4-5 homes on my block. Elderly people who all passed away. Their kids who live in the burbs or somewhere else inherited the home. They did not want to keep their childhood home but instead sell it and take the money ASAP. They all sold to developers who could close fast like 2 weeks with all cash - a sure thing. The developers renovated the homes and then flipped it.

Not one home on my block was a black family that could not afford the taxes. The elderly old timers are passing away and their kids want the money, not the homes or to live in them.

As to drugs and gangs. My elderly black neighbors in their 70’s who have been here for more than 40 years says the neighborhood is much better and safer now. They don’t resent newer people moving in, and everybody watches out for everybody else. They are great neighbors. They said back in the day, lots of drugs, shootings, and crime everywhere and nobody did anything about it. Yes they did call the police too but they did not do much. It was out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing street open air drug sales and gangs to coke at a party is pretty naive. Drug use alone is not immoral.

True. As someone who has had a bullet shot into my former apartment, I would say that drug dealing is a significant escalation of drug use and leads to violence. I'd call cops on open air drug sales, but not on someone who is a drug user lingering on the corner. i've lived near both in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:To add to 17:48's excellent analysis re property taxes---
In addition to the homeowner rate, there are also additional tax breaks given to senior citizens.

+1. Most senior citizens and disabled people who own at least half the home get a 50% break. It needs to be applied for. There is a high-ish (>100K) income cap for this benefit. There is also the Schedule H tax credit for low income owners and renters. Also needs to be something you file to claim. People can claim these things on $1 million homes. Low income seniors don't really need to begin to pay property tax until their assessed value is >$400K, and one of the lowest rates in the country above that. I used to help people apply for these things, often filing refund claims for as many open years back as possible for people. I think the problem is many people don't know they exist or don't bother to apply.

Even if they don’t apply, taxes are low and increases are capped. It’s not because of taxes for majority of people leaving.

The black people selling their homes are cashing out and going to a nice area in PG county and buying a nice large SFH with a yard for the 500k plus they are getting. Friend of a friend moved down to nice retirement community in Fl.

I’ve been in NE for 12 years. When I moved in, my long term neighbors said that the house next door is vacant. Elderly black couple who passed away and home went to the kids. None of the siblings wanted the home except for 1 son so he bought them all out. Really nice guy, lives in a nice part of Md. He says he wants to fix it up and rent it. Well, here we are 12 years later, house sitting there vacant, not renovated.

Here is what happened with another 4-5 homes on my block. Elderly people who all passed away. Their kids who live in the burbs or somewhere else inherited the home. They did not want to keep their childhood home but instead sell it and take the money ASAP. They all sold to developers who could close fast like 2 weeks with all cash - a sure thing. The developers renovated the homes and then flipped it.

Not one home on my block was a black family that could not afford the taxes. The elderly old timers are passing away and their kids want the money, not the homes or to live in them.

As to drugs and gangs. My elderly black neighbors in their 70’s who have been here for more than 40 years says the neighborhood is much better and safer now. They don’t resent newer people moving in, and everybody watches out for everybody else. They are great neighbors. They said back in the day, lots of drugs, shootings, and crime everywhere and nobody did anything about it. Yes they did call the police too but they did not do much. It was out of control.

Yes. The white people involved in this discussion need to talk to Black people - not just 20-something activists that are loud on social media - but people who actually lived next to drug dealing and gun violence for years and see what their perspective is. The loudest views aren't necessarily representative.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing street open air drug sales and gangs to coke at a party is pretty naive. Drug use alone is not immoral.

True. As someone who has had a bullet shot into my former apartment, I would say that drug dealing is a significant escalation of drug use and leads to violence. I'd call cops on open air drug sales, but not on someone who is a drug user lingering on the corner. i've lived near both in DC.

+100. The only reason I’d call in a user is if the person looked like they needed medical or social services help. But I would always call on a seller.

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On a side bar what would it take to get invited to some of these parties

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Do any people who oppose gentrification have any issues with displacing poor white people from urban enclaves in places like Fishtown or Canton? I’m assuming the same people who are tossing around words like “privilege” in this thread don’t find much time to examine their class privilege. Maybe I’m wrong...