Deal Behavior

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Building Capacity is: 1200
They currently have over 1500 students enrolled

I do not care how many demountables there are -
you have 300 extra kids in the lunch room / in the halls / in the stairwells.

It is a problem and DCPS does not care. They will keep pressuring for OOB (They accepted last year)

Parents who have the means will put their children in private - when their child complains that they can't eat lunch b/c there is no place to sit and eat. The stress is real for these kids.

Have you seen the projections in the DME's Master Facilities Plan? 2108 students by SY 2017-18. That's eight years away.

I think you mean 2027-2028?

Do not forget there is a boundary review scheduled for 2022-23.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Building Capacity is: 1200
They currently have over 1500 students enrolled

I do not care how many demountables there are -
you have 300 extra kids in the lunch room / in the halls / in the stairwells.

It is a problem and DCPS does not care. They will keep pressuring for OOB (They accepted last year)

Parents who have the means will put their children in private - when their child complains that they can't eat lunch b/c there is no place to sit and eat. The stress is real for these kids.

Have you seen the projections in the DME's Master Facilities Plan? 2108 students by SY 2017-18. That's eight years away.

Shut down feeder OOB at Deal. It would solve this.

Which OOB feeder goes to Deal?

You mean OOB feeder rights. Just because an OOB student attends an in boundary elementary school should not confer the right to go on to Deal and to Wilson.

There are few OOB kids in K. Current kindergarten enrollment at the Deal feeders is 535. Times three years is 1605 kids when these kids hit Deal. Stopping OOB feeder rights is not going to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that neighborhood schools are a choice as well. There is no fundamental right to go to your neighborhood school. School districts adopt systems to identify how they will distribute seats to schools. DCPS has long been a neighborhood school system with a lottery system for available seats. The feeder rights for OOB students has now been in place almost a decade.

Cities like NY give a preference but no guarantee of a spot in a neighborhood school. SF has a complete lottery system. Seattle long had a choice system with a neighborhood preference to a cluster of schools.

DCPS could adopt a number of ways to solve the overcrowding problem. Doing away with the right for OOB students to follow a feeder pattern is one option but not the only and not necessarily the most politically palatable.

My youngest starts Deal in the fall. How they solve this will not have an impact on my kids so I really do not have a dog in this fight other than property values.

All of you parents that recently bought into upper NW and think this can be easily solved by cutting off feeder rights to OOB students likely did not participate in this discussion last time it was actually on the table in a boundary review.

I think it is wise to think about a solution that betters the system for all DCPS students, not just your child's path.

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a friendly reminder that neighborhood schools are a choice as well. There is no fundamental right to go to your neighborhood school. School districts adopt systems to identify how they will distribute seats to schools. DCPS has long been a neighborhood school system with a lottery system for available seats. The feeder rights for OOB students has now been in place almost a decade.

Cities like NY give a preference but no guarantee of a spot in a neighborhood school. SF has a complete lottery system. Seattle long had a choice system with a neighborhood preference to a cluster of schools.

DCPS could adopt a number of ways to solve the overcrowding problem. Doing away with the right for OOB students to follow a feeder pattern is one option but not the only and not necessarily the most politically palatable.

My youngest starts Deal in the fall. How they solve this will not have an impact on my kids so I really do not have a dog in this fight other than property values.

All of you parents that recently bought into upper NW and think this can be easily solved by cutting off feeder rights to OOB students likely did not participate in this discussion last time it was actually on the table in a boundary review.

I think it is wise to think about a solution that betters the system for all DCPS students, not just your child's path.

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

This is the same tired argument. At some point the city will need to take a stand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

If there is one thing I am most concerned about, it's keeping up property values for homes worth over $1 million. Very high on my list of concerns about the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You mean OOB feeder rights. Just because an OOB student attends an in boundary elementary school should not confer the right to go on to Deal and to Wilson.

There are few OOB kids in K. Current kindergarten enrollment at the Deal feeders is 535. Times three years is 1605 kids when these kids hit Deal. Stopping OOB feeder rights is not going to help.

By 5th grade there are a bunch of kids who are enrolled who no longer live IB. In my kids cohort of 5th graders, it is about 10% of the students. Now - some of these families moved to an area that still feeds Deal - but most did not. This group officially does not have "rights" to the feeder pattern - but no one checks. Overcrowding is a queuing problem - it is like a traffic congestion where 1 additional car breaks the system. Imagine that Deal had 5% less kids in the cafeteria or in the hallway or on the stairs. It is enough to make a difference with movement and flow.

This is a policy that is currently in place that is not enforced. How do we get it done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

If there is one thing I am most concerned about, it's keeping up property values for homes worth over $1 million. Very high on my list of concerns about the city.

Note: the median property value in the entire city is $750k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

If there is one thing I am most concerned about, it's keeping up property values for homes worth over $1 million. Very high on my list of concerns about the city.

Note: the median property value in the entire city is $750k

Hater PP above was just trying to stir trouble.

Better to simply ignore the crazies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You mean OOB feeder rights. Just because an OOB student attends an in boundary elementary school should not confer the right to go on to Deal and to Wilson.

There are few OOB kids in K. Current kindergarten enrollment at the Deal feeders is 535. Times three years is 1605 kids when these kids hit Deal. Stopping OOB feeder rights is not going to help.

By 5th grade there are a bunch of kids who are enrolled who no longer live IB. In my kids cohort of 5th graders, it is about 10% of the students. Now - some of these families moved to an area that still feeds Deal - but most did not. This group officially does not have "rights" to the feeder pattern - but no one checks. Overcrowding is a queuing problem - it is like a traffic congestion where 1 additional car breaks the system. Imagine that Deal had 5% less kids in the cafeteria or in the hallway or on the stairs. It is enough to make a difference with movement and flow.

This is a policy that is currently in place that is not enforced. How do we get it done?

This has only been the policy for ONE year. If you want the policy enforced, which DCPS has the data to do, write your council member, call into WAMU when Ferrebee is on, use social media, start a petition -- and focus public attention on the lack of adherence to DCPS' own policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Building Capacity is: 1200
They currently have over 1500 students enrolled

I do not care how many demountables there are -
you have 300 extra kids in the lunch room / in the halls / in the stairwells.

It is a problem and DCPS does not care. They will keep pressuring for OOB (They accepted last year)

Parents who have the means will put their children in private - when their child complains that they can't eat lunch b/c there is no place to sit and eat. The stress is real for these kids.

Have you seen the projections in the DME's Master Facilities Plan? 2108 students by SY 2017-18. That's eight years away.

Shut down feeder OOB at Deal. It would solve this.

Which OOB feeder goes to Deal?

You mean OOB feeder rights. Just because an OOB student attends an in boundary elementary school should not confer the right to go on to Deal and to Wilson.

There are few OOB kids in K. Current kindergarten enrollment at the Deal feeders is 535. Times three years is 1605 kids when these kids hit Deal. Stopping OOB feeder rights is not going to help.

That's enough kids to fill 4 DC-sized middle schools.

[Anonymous]

The only answer is to change the lines. Everything else is tinkering.

Have fun at the boundary review meetings in 3 years. Just 3 years!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

If there is one thing I am most concerned about, it's keeping up property values for homes worth over $1 million. Very high on my list of concerns about the city.

How do you think the city pays for all these brand new school buildings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You mean OOB feeder rights. Just because an OOB student attends an in boundary elementary school should not confer the right to go on to Deal and to Wilson.

There are few OOB kids in K. Current kindergarten enrollment at the Deal feeders is 535. Times three years is 1605 kids when these kids hit Deal. Stopping OOB feeder rights is not going to help.

By 5th grade there are a bunch of kids who are enrolled who no longer live IB. In my kids cohort of 5th graders, it is about 10% of the students. Now - some of these families moved to an area that still feeds Deal - but most did not. This group officially does not have "rights" to the feeder pattern - but no one checks. Overcrowding is a queuing problem - it is like a traffic congestion where 1 additional car breaks the system. Imagine that Deal had 5% less kids in the cafeteria or in the hallway or on the stairs. It is enough to make a difference with movement and flow.

This is a policy that is currently in place that is not enforced. How do we get it done?

This has only been the policy for ONE year. If you want the policy enforced, which DCPS has the data to do, write your council member, call into WAMU when Ferrebee is on, use social media, start a petition -- and focus public attention on the lack of adherence to DCPS' own policy.

No, it was always the rule, but there was an error in the guide allowing families to stay after they moved OOB that was corrected. That error was only in place for one year and it was obviously idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

If there is one thing I am most concerned about, it's keeping up property values for homes worth over $1 million. Very high on my list of concerns about the city.

How do you think the city pays for all these brand new school buildings?

You mean, the buildings that NEVER help functioning schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

True, but the flip side is that if there's no way to ensure rights to a quality school, then families will leave DCPS and probably DC. The incentive to buy in neighborhoods that are IB for Deal and Wilson would disappear as rights to these schools would disappear. There would be negative impacts to a city that can't support families with quality schools. And yes, property values would decline in many neighborhoods too and we'd revert back to the levels of urban flight for families that was standard from the 60's until relatively recently.

If there is one thing I am most concerned about, it's keeping up property values for homes worth over $1 million. Very high on my list of concerns about the city.

How do you think the city pays for all these brand new school buildings?

Commercial property taxes, which are more than twice the residential rates.