Millennials aren't going to buy your ugly mcmansions, silly Boomers!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a millennial (1988) and I don't want to live in a McMansion. Nationally, people are moving into more walkable, mixed use neighborhoods with different types of commercial space and housing. Look at Rockville, Pentagon City, and Tyson's. They're all trying to make themselves car-free destinations. I'm not sure it'll work (especially in NoVa) but I think it's wrong to assume that we'll all pack up and move to the burbs once we have kids.

Car free will disappear as a preference ten minutes after driverless cars become mainstream


What seems more likely, a bunch of people paying a premium to live next to the tracks for a choo choo train or people living anywhere they want and having their car drive them in private relaxation?

You really think driving around in this city with a driverless car will be "private relaxation?" I don't think it matters who is driving. The car will still be starting and stopping. There will be fumes. You have to sit there for a decent amount of time. It's far from relaxing.

I find the 40-45 minutes I spend in a car listening to the radio, music, or assorted podcasts infinitely stress-inducing than worrying about whether random noises in the night in the city meant we were being burglarized yet again.

I live in DC and have never experienced this. We live in a safe neighborhood in NW. But regardless, I didn't ask about what is more relaxing than noises in the city so your comment is a little strange. I asked about if people will really find driverless cars relaxing and an experience they enjoy. I don't think driverless cars will make people want to take on a lengthy commute. It might help a little but in the same manner that driving a nicer car helps. I understand where you're coming from to a certain extent as I find the bus more relaxing than catching a ride with my wife. However, I would never seek out the bus to relax and spend time for no reason anymore than I'd choose to drive in traffic to work in a driverless car.

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

What you're not taking into account is that change has already occurred. You have thousands of urban professionals living in parts of the city that 25 years ago professionals wouldn't have set foot in. A definite change has already happened. Sure, there will be plenty of millennials who end up in the burbs but unlike the 1980s, the burbs aren't the only place for a well off couple to raise kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to be too reductive, but it seems likely that millennials will buy these McMansions in the same way that people now buy big old ugly homes - because it's the amount of space they want for a price they can afford.

Those houses probably won't age very well, so I imagine they will sell the same way that older luxury condos do.

Assuming you are buying for the house and the land, not just the land - future buyers will be willing to spend less for them than for either brand new homes, or for older charming homes.

A lot of these McMansions will be well kept up and sold for resell just like smaller homes are.

There will always be handyman specials of course. You will always find rundown homes that you can get some sweat equity out of.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a millennial (1988) and I don't want to live in a McMansion. Nationally, people are moving into more walkable, mixed use neighborhoods with different types of commercial space and housing. Look at Rockville, Pentagon City, and Tyson's. They're all trying to make themselves car-free destinations. I'm not sure it'll work (especially in NoVa) but I think it's wrong to assume that we'll all pack up and move to the burbs once we have kids.

Car free will disappear as a preference ten minutes after driverless cars become mainstream


What seems more likely, a bunch of people paying a premium to live next to the tracks for a choo choo train or people living anywhere they want and having their car drive them in private relaxation?

Wow. You have just described my version of hell. Driverless or not, spending my life in a car would feel too much like living in a coffin. No thank you!
I will gladly pay a premium for a walkable neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

What you're not taking into account is that change has already occurred. You have thousands of urban professionals living in parts of the city that 25 years ago professionals wouldn't have set foot in. A definite change has already happened. Sure, there will be plenty of millennials who end up in the burbs but unlike the 1980s, the burbs aren't the only place for a well off couple to raise kids. [/quote

You need to get over yourself. Young people have been living in urban centers since the days of the original yuppies (young urban professionals) who are actually boomers. Only the only thing that changes is which city neighborhoods are trendy. There is nothing particularly original about millennial a.

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

What you're not taking into account is that change has already occurred. You have thousands of urban professionals living in parts of the city that 25 years ago professionals wouldn't have set foot in. A definite change has already happened. Sure, there will be plenty of millennials who end up in the burbs but unlike the 1980s, the burbs aren't the only place for a well off couple to raise kids. [/quote

You need to get over yourself. Young people have been living in urban centers since the days of the original yuppies (young urban professionals) who are actually boomers. Only the only thing that changes is which city neighborhoods are trendy. There is nothing particularly original about millennial a.

Not to the extent they are now. It isn't true that simply the popular neighborhoods have changed. In DC alone I can't think of any parts of town that are now rundown and not popular. Sure, some may be trendier than others but now you have more and more neighborhoods to choose from.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a millennial (1988) and I don't want to live in a McMansion. Nationally, people are moving into more walkable, mixed use neighborhoods with different types of commercial space and housing. Look at Rockville, Pentagon City, and Tyson's. They're all trying to make themselves car-free destinations. I'm not sure it'll work (especially in NoVa) but I think it's wrong to assume that we'll all pack up and move to the burbs once we have kids.

Car free will disappear as a preference ten minutes after driverless cars become mainstream


What seems more likely, a bunch of people paying a premium to live next to the tracks for a choo choo train or people living anywhere they want and having their car drive them in private relaxation?

Wow. You have just described my version of hell. Driverless or not, spending my life in a car would feel too much like living in a coffin. No thank you!
I will gladly pay a premium for a walkable neighborhood.

+1. Your home life has to be rough and you must hate being around other people if you truly think being in a driverless car sounds enjoyable.

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

Its kind of arbitrary though- 35 is and 36 isn't, my DH and I are different generations

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Anonymous wrote:Oh they will, just not yet. Still too young.

This - obviously - once they stop taking pictures of their food, have a kid and find it harder to go to Iceland for the weekend, they will want what everyone wants. Space and easy access (by car) to the things they need. Walking to meet friends for sushi will be replace by putting the sleeping baby in the car seat and finding a drive through Starbucks.

Matter of time. I am perfectly happy in my house for the next 20 years - I can wait.

36 year old Millennial here. I don't want your McMansion. Not eve a little. I don't want poor design, crap materials, a probable long commute, suburbs with amenities only accessible by driving, or the more conservative politics. I'd like more space for my three (already existing) kids, but I'm not buying a trailer on steroids to satisfy that desire, especially when I'm 56.

Also, I cook 90% of our meals at home. I've taken zero pictures of them.

36 is Gen X, babe.

This was discussed in another thread about a week or so ago. The start date for Millennials vs Gen X is given by various sources as anywhere from 1977-1982 (I always thought it was 82 but, given the links & whatnot others posted stating it is 77, 80, etc, can see why some think otherwise). So basically, those born between roughly 1977 & 1981 are either both Gen Xers & Millennials or neither Gen Xers or Millennials.

The whole defining a generation as starting & ending on specific birth dates as always seemed a bit odd to me anyway both because it is so arbitrary & because puts people born months apart in different generations & people born more than a decade apart in the same one.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a millennial (1988) and I don't want to live in a McMansion. Nationally, people are moving into more walkable, mixed use neighborhoods with different types of commercial space and housing. Look at Rockville, Pentagon City, and Tyson's. They're all trying to make themselves car-free destinations. I'm not sure it'll work (especially in NoVa) but I think it's wrong to assume that we'll all pack up and move to the burbs once we have kids.

Car free will disappear as a preference ten minutes after driverless cars become mainstream


What seems more likely, a bunch of people paying a premium to live next to the tracks for a choo choo train or people living anywhere they want and having their car drive them in private relaxation?

Wow. You have just described my version of hell. Driverless or not, spending my life in a car would feel too much like living in a coffin. No thank you!
I will gladly pay a premium for a walkable neighborhood.

+1. Your home life has to be rough and you must hate being around other people if you truly think being in a driverless car sounds enjoyable.

What?! I think it sounds awesome. I have a friend in Seattle who has a single road commute in his Tesla and loves it! It freaks me out right now but I think its great, look, not every job center is public transit friendly, I would love a commute where I could read in some electric car driving itself!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a millennial (1988) and I don't want to live in a McMansion. Nationally, people are moving into more walkable, mixed use neighborhoods with different types of commercial space and housing. Look at Rockville, Pentagon City, and Tyson's. They're all trying to make themselves car-free destinations. I'm not sure it'll work (especially in NoVa) but I think it's wrong to assume that we'll all pack up and move to the burbs once we have kids.

Car free will disappear as a preference ten minutes after driverless cars become mainstream


What seems more likely, a bunch of people paying a premium to live next to the tracks for a choo choo train or people living anywhere they want and having their car drive them in private relaxation?

Wow. You have just described my version of hell. Driverless or not, spending my life in a car would feel too much like living in a coffin. No thank you!
I will gladly pay a premium for a walkable neighborhood.

+1. Your home life has to be rough and you must hate being around other people if you truly think being in a driverless car sounds enjoyable.

To be honest, when I ride the Metro I'm often struck by how - to borrow adjectives from the title of this thread - silly and ugly many of the Millenials are. Does the driverless car have Wi-Fi?

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

What you're not taking into account is that change has already occurred. You have thousands of urban professionals living in parts of the city that 25 years ago professionals wouldn't have set foot in. A definite change has already happened. Sure, there will be plenty of millennials who end up in the burbs but unlike the 1980s, the burbs aren't the only place for a well off couple to raise kids.

And you have the Gen Xers to thank for that! The "greatest generation" and Baby Boomers abandoned the cities to the pimps and the crack houses. The Gen Xers moved in during the crappy pre-Clinton economy and started bringing back the neighborhoods. Actually, the baby boomer gay communities really started it, as they weren't particularly welcome in homophobic suburbia. When we saw how great they made urban living look, the straight Gen Xers decided to join them. Then came Whole Foods and hipster coffee places and, basically, you're welcome.

Signed,
Gen Xer who would still live in the city were it not for my confounded fertility

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

What you're not taking into account is that change has already occurred. You have thousands of urban professionals living in parts of the city that 25 years ago professionals wouldn't have set foot in. A definite change has already happened. Sure, there will be plenty of millennials who end up in the burbs but unlike the 1980s, the burbs aren't the only place for a well off couple to raise kids.

And you have the Gen Xers to thank for that! The "greatest generation" and Baby Boomers abandoned the cities to the pimps and the crack houses. The Gen Xers moved in during the crappy pre-Clinton economy and started bringing back the neighborhoods. Actually, the baby boomer gay communities really started it, as they weren't particularly welcome in homophobic suburbia. When we saw how great they made urban living look, the straight Gen Xers decided to join them. Then came Whole Foods and hipster coffee places and, basically, you're welcome.

Signed,
Gen Xer who would still live in the city were it not for my confounded fertility

Nope the boomers were the original young urban professionals. But agree, there is nothing novel about young people living in the city. It's been a "trend" for nearly forty years. But it is funny to see millennials take credit for something their parents started.

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Anonymous wrote:Just turned 31 and have two babies. We bought a historic home with a decent commute in the close in burbs. McMansions are gross. Our next house will be another historic home.

That was me ten years ago. Actually were on our second historic home. And now we live in a large newer construction home with our 12 and 9 year old and would never go back. Only the young insist they will never change.

Well, you're wrong actually. Lots of old and older people insist they will never change, have never changed, despite decades of evidence to the contrary, and "newer construction" does not necessarily mean "McMansion." I'm not opposed to buying a new home, but neither am I buying some crapshack built to spec by a builder who knows nothing about design and is proud of it. - the 36 year old Millennial

If you are 36, you aren't a millennial. And it seems like all the people on this thread insisting they will never change are young.

What you're not taking into account is that change has already occurred. You have thousands of urban professionals living in parts of the city that 25 years ago professionals wouldn't have set foot in. A definite change has already happened. Sure, there will be plenty of millennials who end up in the burbs but unlike the 1980s, the burbs aren't the only place for a well off couple to raise kids. [/quote

You need to get over yourself. Young people have been living in urban centers since the days of the original yuppies (young urban professionals) who are actually boomers. Only the only thing that changes is which city neighborhoods are trendy. There is nothing particularly original about millennial a.

Not to the extent they are now. It isn't true that simply the popular neighborhoods have changed. In DC alone I can't think of any parts of town that are now rundown and not popular. Sure, some may be trendier than others but now you have more and more neighborhoods to choose from.

That's because the dc population has grown significantly has grown over the past 15 years, and what was once up and coming is now established. When I moved to dc twenty years ago, dupoint and adams morgan were edgy. It isn't because of the special snowflake millennials.