Filibuster for Gun Safety

[Anonymous]

The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

It might be a better idea to use our guns to get rid of those people who do not like our culture, or at least use them to ward off those would want to change it

[Anonymous]

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The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

It might be a better idea to use our guns to get rid of those people who do not like our culture, or at least use them to ward off those would want to change it

NO ONE IS TAKING YOUR FUCKING GUN!

How much money do you need to buy a clue?

I mean, really - this is why nothing has happened even after babies were slaughtered in their classroom by a crazy person or mowed down in two attacks by terrorists. If you actually cared, you'd at least join the conversation rather than crying about your guns and from your cold dead hands or whatever nonsense the NRA is telling you today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:13:16, there are several confusing things about your post, but I don't have time to argue them all.

The one thing I will say is that *no one* is trying to ban all guns. There are two proposals on the table: (1) Subject people to more background checks before buying guns in order to prevent terrorists and known criminals from buying them, and (2) Banning certain guns.

You can disagree with one or both of the above, but it's disingenuous to say people want to ban all, or even most, guns.

I'm pretty liberal, and I kind of hate the idea of owning guns even though my DH grew up owning them, but I actually understand and agree with some of the Constitutional issues (and even the more philosophical arguments) around gun control. But that doesn't make them insurmountable, and it seems like there is a compromise position between what the Senate Republicans and the Senate Democrats are proposing today. The truth is, mass murders aren't actually the biggest public concern with guns...though these tragedies do shed light on some of the issues and we would likely have fewer with better gun control...but that doesn't mean gun violence isn't basically an epidemic in this country that we should simply ignore.

I know they are not trying to ban all the guns but the issue here is, and needs to be researched and made clear, not hidden in thousands of pages with small print like Obamacare was, is that this legislation "in the name of safety" does not lead later on to the negation of the 2nd Amendment.

That is my argument: knee-jerk gun control legislation is not the solution and if it is proposed as a solution it needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb to ensure a back-door repeal of the 2nd Amendment decades later is not achieved. The logic of "If we can ban this type of arm then we should be able to ban any and all arms" should not be a path that is followed because it exposes a citizenry to possible tyranny later on.

knee-jerk? are you kidding me with this bullshit? People were just slaughtered in a nightclub and people are just being touchy?

How in the hell can you sit there and continue to stonewall on this when we are pointing out huge holes that terrorists can drive right through? This is supposed to be your damn issue.

Sorry, but if can't can't even close THIS loophole, then the terrorists have won and are laughing at us and will do it again and again and agin and you'll just sit back and say "oh, but I'm afraid you might take my toys away"

someone posted some quote by a known terrorist who stated that getting guns in America is so easy that extremists would easily be able to buy them. I guess to that PP, the mere talk of stricter gun laws makes him so paranoid about the gov't taking away his precious gun that he'd rather let terrorists buy guns so easily than have stricter gun laws in this country.

So we are tightening gun laws due to muslim extremists believing they will massacre more Americans? Then the problem should be the muslim extremists who follow the koran by the book right? Look at other countries that despite being poor and having a lot of people have a very low homicide rate. Its cultural its not the guns at all!

Look at the shooters dad and the parents of the boston bombers. They came to the US but never assimilated to the culture. Outwardly they appeared nice and friendly but inside they were filled with hate. That culture passed on to their kids who never quite assimilated either.

The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

No they do not "bozo" I am a citizen of immigrant parents and the country they came from DO NOT have strict gun laws at all yet despite being one of the poorer countries in the continent with many born into poverty homicides are rare so yes it is cultural. It is a compassionate society they came from but these extremists culture are not.

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

[Anonymous]

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The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

It might be a better idea to use our guns to get rid of those people who do not like our culture, or at least use them to ward off those would want to change it

so your solution is to kill off everyone who doesn't agree with you? You *have* to be a Trump supporter. I'm an American, and I'm pretty sure my culture is not the same as your culture.

[Anonymous]

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The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

It might be a better idea to use our guns to get rid of those people who do not like our culture, or at least use them to ward off those would want to change it

so your solution is to kill off everyone who doesn't agree with you? You *have* to be a Trump supporter. I'm an American, and I'm pretty sure my culture is not the same as your culture.

Thank you - I also should have addresses THIS part of this insane post.

Just kill em all, huh? Yup, that seems logical.

My next door neighbor was born in Iraq and he is not a practicing Muslim. But, I'm pretty sure you'd find some reason to lump him in because, you know, he looks shifty and needs to be shot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:13:16, there are several confusing things about your post, but I don't have time to argue them all.

The one thing I will say is that *no one* is trying to ban all guns. There are two proposals on the table: (1) Subject people to more background checks before buying guns in order to prevent terrorists and known criminals from buying them, and (2) Banning certain guns.

You can disagree with one or both of the above, but it's disingenuous to say people want to ban all, or even most, guns.

I'm pretty liberal, and I kind of hate the idea of owning guns even though my DH grew up owning them, but I actually understand and agree with some of the Constitutional issues (and even the more philosophical arguments) around gun control. But that doesn't make them insurmountable, and it seems like there is a compromise position between what the Senate Republicans and the Senate Democrats are proposing today. The truth is, mass murders aren't actually the biggest public concern with guns...though these tragedies do shed light on some of the issues and we would likely have fewer with better gun control...but that doesn't mean gun violence isn't basically an epidemic in this country that we should simply ignore.

I know they are not trying to ban all the guns but the issue here is, and needs to be researched and made clear, not hidden in thousands of pages with small print like Obamacare was, is that this legislation "in the name of safety" does not lead later on to the negation of the 2nd Amendment.

That is my argument: knee-jerk gun control legislation is not the solution and if it is proposed as a solution it needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb to ensure a back-door repeal of the 2nd Amendment decades later is not achieved. The logic of "If we can ban this type of arm then we should be able to ban any and all arms" should not be a path that is followed because it exposes a citizenry to possible tyranny later on.

knee-jerk? are you kidding me with this bullshit? People were just slaughtered in a nightclub and people are just being touchy?

How in the hell can you sit there and continue to stonewall on this when we are pointing out huge holes that terrorists can drive right through? This is supposed to be your damn issue.

Sorry, but if can't can't even close THIS loophole, then the terrorists have won and are laughing at us and will do it again and again and agin and you'll just sit back and say "oh, but I'm afraid you might take my toys away"

someone posted some quote by a known terrorist who stated that getting guns in America is so easy that extremists would easily be able to buy them. I guess to that PP, the mere talk of stricter gun laws makes him so paranoid about the gov't taking away his precious gun that he'd rather let terrorists buy guns so easily than have stricter gun laws in this country.

So we are tightening gun laws due to muslim extremists believing they will massacre more Americans? Then the problem should be the muslim extremists who follow the koran by the book right? Look at other countries that despite being poor and having a lot of people have a very low homicide rate. Its cultural its not the guns at all!

Look at the shooters dad and the parents of the boston bombers. They came to the US but never assimilated to the culture. Outwardly they appeared nice and friendly but inside they were filled with hate. That culture passed on to their kids who never quite assimilated either.

The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

No they do not "bozo" I am a citizen of immigrant parents and the country they came from DO NOT have strict gun laws at all yet despite being one of the poorer countries in the continent with many born into poverty homicides are rare so yes it is cultural. It is a compassionate society they came from but these extremists culture are not.

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

Hey bozo, why do you think that country doesn't have strict gun laws? Because it doesn't have a high gun murder rate. I think you might want to think about going back because if you think that the US culture is "compassionate", then you'd be wrong because it did jack shit about the gun culture after 20 5/6 yr olds were murdered. I BET, if this happened in your parents' country, they'd be screaming for tighter gun laws. But no, the US gov't and gun-lovers aren't "compassionate" enough to lift a finger even after this horrible tragedy.

Every civilized country that has had a mass murder related to guns has passed stricter gun laws because of it.. from Canada, to Australia and the UK. It's only the US that hasn't.

I agree, it is all cultural. I bet your parents' country doesnt' have a gun culture like the US does. The US has an issue with gun culture. So, the country you came from is more "compassionate" than the US culture.

[Anonymous]

NO ONE IS TAKING YOUR FUCKING GUN!

and I want to keep it that way

How much money do you need to buy a clue?

Enough money to keep paying the NRA to represent my interests and protect my rights

I mean, really - this is why nothing has happened even after babies were slaughtered in their classroom by a crazy person or mowed down in two attacks by terrorists. If you actually cared, you'd at least join the conversation rather than crying about your guns and from your cold dead hands or whatever nonsense the NRA is telling you today.

And I want nothing done to continue being done concerning limiting 2nd Amendment rights. Did you know more children die from drowning in a bathtub than by guns? Guess we need to ban bathtubs and all the children can go around dirty.

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/01/do-more-children-die-of-bathtub-drownings-than-of-accidental-shootings-no/

And I do care and I am joining the conversation: No more gun control, no sneaky laws like in DC or Chicago to circumvent 2nd Amendment rights. No "hurry up and pass" laws by whining, idiot liberals who think if we just take away all the guns there would be no more evil and everyone would play nice together, the same kind of stupidity if we post "No Drug Zone" signs on school yards the drug dealers will see the sign and obey it saying to themselves, "Welp, that sign says it's a no drug zone, I better take my business elsewhere." Styupid.

[Anonymous]

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The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

It might be a better idea to use our guns to get rid of those people who do not like our culture, or at least use them to ward off those would want to change it

Hey, look - ISIS has found this thread!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:13:16, there are several confusing things about your post, but I don't have time to argue them all.

The one thing I will say is that *no one* is trying to ban all guns. There are two proposals on the table: (1) Subject people to more background checks before buying guns in order to prevent terrorists and known criminals from buying them, and (2) Banning certain guns.

You can disagree with one or both of the above, but it's disingenuous to say people want to ban all, or even most, guns.

I'm pretty liberal, and I kind of hate the idea of owning guns even though my DH grew up owning them, but I actually understand and agree with some of the Constitutional issues (and even the more philosophical arguments) around gun control. But that doesn't make them insurmountable, and it seems like there is a compromise position between what the Senate Republicans and the Senate Democrats are proposing today. The truth is, mass murders aren't actually the biggest public concern with guns...though these tragedies do shed light on some of the issues and we would likely have fewer with better gun control...but that doesn't mean gun violence isn't basically an epidemic in this country that we should simply ignore.

I know they are not trying to ban all the guns but the issue here is, and needs to be researched and made clear, not hidden in thousands of pages with small print like Obamacare was, is that this legislation "in the name of safety" does not lead later on to the negation of the 2nd Amendment.

That is my argument: knee-jerk gun control legislation is not the solution and if it is proposed as a solution it needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb to ensure a back-door repeal of the 2nd Amendment decades later is not achieved. The logic of "If we can ban this type of arm then we should be able to ban any and all arms" should not be a path that is followed because it exposes a citizenry to possible tyranny later on.

knee-jerk? are you kidding me with this bullshit? People were just slaughtered in a nightclub and people are just being touchy?

How in the hell can you sit there and continue to stonewall on this when we are pointing out huge holes that terrorists can drive right through? This is supposed to be your damn issue.

Sorry, but if can't can't even close THIS loophole, then the terrorists have won and are laughing at us and will do it again and again and agin and you'll just sit back and say "oh, but I'm afraid you might take my toys away"

someone posted some quote by a known terrorist who stated that getting guns in America is so easy that extremists would easily be able to buy them. I guess to that PP, the mere talk of stricter gun laws makes him so paranoid about the gov't taking away his precious gun that he'd rather let terrorists buy guns so easily than have stricter gun laws in this country.

So we are tightening gun laws due to muslim extremists believing they will massacre more Americans? Then the problem should be the muslim extremists who follow the koran by the book right? Look at other countries that despite being poor and having a lot of people have a very low homicide rate. Its cultural its not the guns at all!

Look at the shooters dad and the parents of the boston bombers. They came to the US but never assimilated to the culture. Outwardly they appeared nice and friendly but inside they were filled with hate. That culture passed on to their kids who never quite assimilated either.

The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

No they do not "bozo" I am a citizen of immigrant parents and the country they came from DO NOT have strict gun laws at all yet despite being one of the poorer countries in the continent with many born into poverty homicides are rare so yes it is cultural. It is a compassionate society they came from but these extremists culture are not.

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

Hey bozo, why do you think that country doesn't have strict gun laws? Because it doesn't have a high gun murder rate. I think you might want to think about going back because if you think that the US culture is "compassionate", then you'd be wrong because it did jack shit about the gun culture after 20 5/6 yr olds were murdered. I BET, if this happened in your parents' country, they'd be screaming for tighter gun laws. But no, the US gov't and gun-lovers aren't "compassionate" enough to lift a finger even after this horrible tragedy.

Every civilized country that has had a mass murder related to guns has passed stricter gun laws because of it.. from Canada, to Australia and the UK. It's only the US that hasn't.

I agree, it is all cultural. I bet your parents' country doesnt' have a gun culture like the US does. The US has an issue with gun culture. So, the country you came from is more "compassionate" than the US culture.

Where did I say I thought the US culture was compassionate? I only said that about my parent's country. You are the nutcase and dumbass in this thread because you have a lack of reading comprehension skills and are putting words in my mouth. Are those "stricter" gun laws preventing violence in those countries? Because it has been obvious it has not in the UK with the recent terrorist attacks. The EU gun laws are not stopping the gun trade, Like I said before,

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

[Anonymous]

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I just don't understand this at all! It seriously makes me want to cry that we can't even get something this small and logical passed

Because if this "small and logical" bill is passed, it is only another "small and logical" step to ban another weapon type say any rifle over 30 caliber, then the number of bullets you can have and then eventually all weapons to disarm the law-abiding population.

Taking away the rights of the citizenry rarely starts with one big sweep of legislation, it is small steps during a "crisis" where these freedoms and rights are chipped away.

We have the right to bear arms, any arms, and as many and of whatever type we want. Period. End of discussion. No one, no matter how pompous and big mouthed does not get to filibuster away our constitutional rights.

Well shoot yo, then I want a canon! And a tank while we're at it.

[Anonymous]

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Hey bozo, why do you think that country doesn't have strict gun laws? Because it doesn't have a high gun murder rate. I think you might want to think about going back because if you think that the US culture is "compassionate", then you'd be wrong because it did jack shit about the gun culture after 20 5/6 yr olds were murdered. I BET, if this happened in your parents' country, they'd be screaming for tighter gun laws. But no, the US gov't and gun-lovers aren't "compassionate" enough to lift a finger even after this horrible tragedy.

Every civilized country that has had a mass murder related to guns has passed stricter gun laws because of it.. from Canada, to Australia and the UK. It's only the US that hasn't.

I agree, it is all cultural. I bet your parents' country doesnt' have a gun culture like the US does. The US has an issue with gun culture. So, the country you came from is more "compassionate" than the US culture.

Where did I say I thought the US culture was compassionate? I only said that about my parent's country. You are the nutcase and dumbass in this thread because you have a lack of reading comprehension skills and are putting words in my mouth. Are those "stricter" gun laws preventing violence in those countries? Because it has been obvious it has not in the UK with the recent terrorist attacks. The EU gun laws are not stopping the gun trade, Like I said before,

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

My DH is from the UK, and he thinks the guns laws in this country are insane. How many shooting deaths does the UK have compared to this country? When there was a mass shooting of kids in Scotland, they passed strict gun laws. BTW, did you read the article about a right wing extremist in the UK who just shot to death a UK politician who was for staying in the EU? I'm betting some UK politicians are thinking about even more strict gun laws. Or the mass shooting in Finland not that long ago committed by another right wing white extremist. I think he shot 70 people or something, mostly teens. Mass shootings are not just committed by Muslims, or don't you read the news?

You are only thinking about "terrorist attacks", while some of us are thinking about gun deaths of everyone in this country, especially our children, perpetuated by non Muslims of this country, as well.

You didn't answer my question -- if your parents' country had several mass shootings, especially of children, don't you think that country would pass strict gun laws? I bet they would because most sane countries have.

Yes, we do need to change our gun culture here. It's insane that you and others don't think the gun culture here is not an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NO ONE IS TAKING YOUR FUCKING GUN!

and I want to keep it that way

How much money do you need to buy a clue?

Enough money to keep paying the NRA to represent my interests and protect my rights

I mean, really - this is why nothing has happened even after babies were slaughtered in their classroom by a crazy person or mowed down in two attacks by terrorists. If you actually cared, you'd at least join the conversation rather than crying about your guns and from your cold dead hands or whatever nonsense the NRA is telling you today.

And I want nothing done to continue being done concerning limiting 2nd Amendment rights. Did you know more children die from drowning in a bathtub than by guns? Guess we need to ban bathtubs and all the children can go around dirty.

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/01/do-more-children-die-of-bathtub-drownings-than-of-accidental-shootings-no/

And I do care and I am joining the conversation: No more gun control, no sneaky laws like in DC or Chicago to circumvent 2nd Amendment rights. No "hurry up and pass" laws by whining, idiot liberals who think if we just take away all the guns there would be no more evil and everyone would play nice together, the same kind of stupidity if we post "No Drug Zone" signs on school yards the drug dealers will see the sign and obey it saying to themselves, "Welp, that sign says it's a no drug zone, I better take my business elsewhere." Styupid.

Sorry, you are part of the problem. The grown ups are talking and you are babbling about deaths in bath tubs.

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Anonymous wrote:13:16, there are several confusing things about your post, but I don't have time to argue them all.

The one thing I will say is that *no one* is trying to ban all guns. There are two proposals on the table: (1) Subject people to more background checks before buying guns in order to prevent terrorists and known criminals from buying them, and (2) Banning certain guns.

You can disagree with one or both of the above, but it's disingenuous to say people want to ban all, or even most, guns.

I'm pretty liberal, and I kind of hate the idea of owning guns even though my DH grew up owning them, but I actually understand and agree with some of the Constitutional issues (and even the more philosophical arguments) around gun control. But that doesn't make them insurmountable, and it seems like there is a compromise position between what the Senate Republicans and the Senate Democrats are proposing today. The truth is, mass murders aren't actually the biggest public concern with guns...though these tragedies do shed light on some of the issues and we would likely have fewer with better gun control...but that doesn't mean gun violence isn't basically an epidemic in this country that we should simply ignore.

I know they are not trying to ban all the guns but the issue here is, and needs to be researched and made clear, not hidden in thousands of pages with small print like Obamacare was, is that this legislation "in the name of safety" does not lead later on to the negation of the 2nd Amendment.

That is my argument: knee-jerk gun control legislation is not the solution and if it is proposed as a solution it needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb to ensure a back-door repeal of the 2nd Amendment decades later is not achieved. The logic of "If we can ban this type of arm then we should be able to ban any and all arms" should not be a path that is followed because it exposes a citizenry to possible tyranny later on.

knee-jerk? are you kidding me with this bullshit? People were just slaughtered in a nightclub and people are just being touchy?

How in the hell can you sit there and continue to stonewall on this when we are pointing out huge holes that terrorists can drive right through? This is supposed to be your damn issue.

Sorry, but if can't can't even close THIS loophole, then the terrorists have won and are laughing at us and will do it again and again and agin and you'll just sit back and say "oh, but I'm afraid you might take my toys away"

someone posted some quote by a known terrorist who stated that getting guns in America is so easy that extremists would easily be able to buy them. I guess to that PP, the mere talk of stricter gun laws makes him so paranoid about the gov't taking away his precious gun that he'd rather let terrorists buy guns so easily than have stricter gun laws in this country.

So we are tightening gun laws due to muslim extremists believing they will massacre more Americans? Then the problem should be the muslim extremists who follow the koran by the book right? Look at other countries that despite being poor and having a lot of people have a very low homicide rate. Its cultural its not the guns at all!

Look at the shooters dad and the parents of the boston bombers. They came to the US but never assimilated to the culture. Outwardly they appeared nice and friendly but inside they were filled with hate. That culture passed on to their kids who never quite assimilated either.

The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

No they do not "bozo" I am a citizen of immigrant parents and the country they came from DO NOT have strict gun laws at all yet despite being one of the poorer countries in the continent with many born into poverty homicides are rare so yes it is cultural. It is a compassionate society they came from but these extremists culture are not.

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

Hey bozo, why do you think that country doesn't have strict gun laws? Because it doesn't have a high gun murder rate. I think you might want to think about going back because if you think that the US culture is "compassionate", then you'd be wrong because it did jack shit about the gun culture after 20 5/6 yr olds were murdered. I BET, if this happened in your parents' country, they'd be screaming for tighter gun laws. But no, the US gov't and gun-lovers aren't "compassionate" enough to lift a finger even after this horrible tragedy.

Every civilized country that has had a mass murder related to guns has passed stricter gun laws because of it.. from Canada, to Australia and the UK. It's only the US that hasn't.

I agree, it is all cultural. I bet your parents' country doesnt' have a gun culture like the US does. The US has an issue with gun culture. So, the country you came from is more "compassionate" than the US culture.

Where did I say I thought the US culture was compassionate? I only said that about my parent's country. You are the nutcase and dumbass in this thread because you have a lack of reading comprehension skills and are putting words in my mouth. Are those "stricter" gun laws preventing violence in those countries? Because it has been obvious it has not in the UK with the recent terrorist attacks. The EU gun laws are not stopping the gun trade, Like I said before,

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

You are saying your parents' country is "compassionate" and that's why they don't have a lot of gun deaths even though they don't have strict gun laws. So, then, if the US was more "compassionate" would we have less gun deaths? In the past 10 yrs, more people have been shot by non Muslims than Muslims. What kind of dumb shit logic do you use? You don't think stricter gun laws would prevent less gun deaths? Let me explain it simply: if a person can't get access to a gun, they can't shoot people. See, simple logic and common sense.

There are crazy people in every country, in every segment of population. We can't prevent crazy people doing crazy things all the time, but we sure as hell can and should make it harder, not easier.

[Anonymous]

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I just don't understand this at all! It seriously makes me want to cry that we can't even get something this small and logical passed

Because if this "small and logical" bill is passed, it is only another "small and logical" step to ban another weapon type say any rifle over 30 caliber, then the number of bullets you can have and then eventually all weapons to disarm the law-abiding population.

Taking away the rights of the citizenry rarely starts with one big sweep of legislation, it is small steps during a "crisis" where these freedoms and rights are chipped away.

We have the right to bear arms, any arms, and as many and of whatever type we want. Period. End of discussion. No one, no matter how pompous and big mouthed does not get to filibuster away our constitutional rights.

Well shoot yo, then I want a canon! And a tank while we're at it.

Just remember, you'll need a license and registration to drive the tank.

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Anonymous wrote:13:16, there are several confusing things about your post, but I don't have time to argue them all.

The one thing I will say is that *no one* is trying to ban all guns. There are two proposals on the table: (1) Subject people to more background checks before buying guns in order to prevent terrorists and known criminals from buying them, and (2) Banning certain guns.

You can disagree with one or both of the above, but it's disingenuous to say people want to ban all, or even most, guns.

I'm pretty liberal, and I kind of hate the idea of owning guns even though my DH grew up owning them, but I actually understand and agree with some of the Constitutional issues (and even the more philosophical arguments) around gun control. But that doesn't make them insurmountable, and it seems like there is a compromise position between what the Senate Republicans and the Senate Democrats are proposing today. The truth is, mass murders aren't actually the biggest public concern with guns...though these tragedies do shed light on some of the issues and we would likely have fewer with better gun control...but that doesn't mean gun violence isn't basically an epidemic in this country that we should simply ignore.

I know they are not trying to ban all the guns but the issue here is, and needs to be researched and made clear, not hidden in thousands of pages with small print like Obamacare was, is that this legislation "in the name of safety" does not lead later on to the negation of the 2nd Amendment.

That is my argument: knee-jerk gun control legislation is not the solution and if it is proposed as a solution it needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb to ensure a back-door repeal of the 2nd Amendment decades later is not achieved. The logic of "If we can ban this type of arm then we should be able to ban any and all arms" should not be a path that is followed because it exposes a citizenry to possible tyranny later on.

knee-jerk? are you kidding me with this bullshit? People were just slaughtered in a nightclub and people are just being touchy?

How in the hell can you sit there and continue to stonewall on this when we are pointing out huge holes that terrorists can drive right through? This is supposed to be your damn issue.

Sorry, but if can't can't even close THIS loophole, then the terrorists have won and are laughing at us and will do it again and again and agin and you'll just sit back and say "oh, but I'm afraid you might take my toys away"

someone posted some quote by a known terrorist who stated that getting guns in America is so easy that extremists would easily be able to buy them. I guess to that PP, the mere talk of stricter gun laws makes him so paranoid about the gov't taking away his precious gun that he'd rather let terrorists buy guns so easily than have stricter gun laws in this country.

So we are tightening gun laws due to muslim extremists believing they will massacre more Americans? Then the problem should be the muslim extremists who follow the koran by the book right? Look at other countries that despite being poor and having a lot of people have a very low homicide rate. Its cultural its not the guns at all!

Look at the shooters dad and the parents of the boston bombers. They came to the US but never assimilated to the culture. Outwardly they appeared nice and friendly but inside they were filled with hate. That culture passed on to their kids who never quite assimilated either.

The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo. And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns. So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.

No they do not "bozo" I am a citizen of immigrant parents and the country they came from DO NOT have strict gun laws at all yet despite being one of the poorer countries in the continent with many born into poverty homicides are rare so yes it is cultural. It is a compassionate society they came from but these extremists culture are not.

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

Hey bozo, why do you think that country doesn't have strict gun laws? Because it doesn't have a high gun murder rate. I think you might want to think about going back because if you think that the US culture is "compassionate", then you'd be wrong because it did jack shit about the gun culture after 20 5/6 yr olds were murdered. I BET, if this happened in your parents' country, they'd be screaming for tighter gun laws. But no, the US gov't and gun-lovers aren't "compassionate" enough to lift a finger even after this horrible tragedy.

Every civilized country that has had a mass murder related to guns has passed stricter gun laws because of it.. from Canada, to Australia and the UK. It's only the US that hasn't.

I agree, it is all cultural. I bet your parents' country doesnt' have a gun culture like the US does. The US has an issue with gun culture. So, the country you came from is more "compassionate" than the US culture.

Where did I say I thought the US culture was compassionate? I only said that about my parent's country. You are the nutcase and dumbass in this thread because you have a lack of reading comprehension skills and are putting words in my mouth. Are those "stricter" gun laws preventing violence in those countries? Because it has been obvious it has not in the UK with the recent terrorist attacks. The EU gun laws are not stopping the gun trade, Like I said before,

No we dont need to change our culture but not allow someone who is even being watched by the fbi or suspected to purchase a gun and not be so pc to assume those from ME countries will assimilate and be non racists.

You are saying your parents' country is "compassionate" and that's why they don't have a lot of gun deaths even though they don't have strict gun laws. So, then, if the US was more "compassionate" would we have less gun deaths? In the past 10 yrs, more people have been shot by non Muslims than Muslims. What kind of dumb shit logic do you use? You don't think stricter gun laws would prevent less gun deaths? Let me explain it simply: if a person can't get access to a gun, they can't shoot people. See, simple logic and common sense.

There are crazy people in every country, in every segment of population. We can't prevent crazy people doing crazy things all the time, but we sure as hell can and should make it harder, not easier.

Compassion would certainly help but it is more than that because it is a different culture. Your dumb shit logic is that implementing stricter gun laws that countries YOU used as an example already have will prevent more gun deaths but surprise! they have not. Like I said before since you lack in reading comprehension EU gun laws are not stopping the gun trade. What will help is what I said in the last sentence. Let me explain it like a kindergartener because you act like one. A bad person can still be bad if they have the will to carry out whatever demonic plan they have. Stricter gun laws won't stop them but it might stop a good person from using a gun that might actually help them or others.