Ben Carson: Islamophobe of the Day

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a Muslim candidate for a president?

Jindal and Pataki.

Jindal was a Hindu, converted to Christianity. Pataki is Roman Catholic.

You're wrong. They're both Muslims.

Can you show me proof, please?

When I'm done waiting for the proof from the millions of Americans who insist that Obama isn't a Christian, much less an American citizen.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not want my daughter or any other little girl seeing a First Lady covered head to toe in black cloth with only a small slit for their eyes.
As women in this country, we have come way too far for that. I also do not want my gay friends and family to find themselves again on the outskirts of society after the recent Supreme Court decision. Islam is not compatible with our constitution and our freedoms. I have no interest in shariah law becoming accepted anywhere in this country. I also find it terribly disturbing that liberal society thinks it is OK to discriminate against women and gays as long as you are Muslim. I am not saying all Muslims are bad people, certainly there are many more good Muslims than bad. But the basis of the religion is anti-woman and anti-gay and I am not OK with that. How anyone can deny the obvious is very disturbing.

+ 1,0000-When in Rome......I doubt Iran or any other Middle Eastern country would let a Jew, or a gay person become their president-the Muslim culture is NOT consistent with western values, and it never will be. That is why having a Muslim president would be a disaster for this country. It is sort of a catch 22-Muslim ideology/president not consistent with constitution-restricting a Muslim from becoming president based on religion is unconstitutional. Do we "hurt" the Muslim candidate by violating the constitution or hurt the entire nation and population in it (well maybe not the American Muslims) by having one in office? and I think having any Muslim in office in this country be it an extremist or one who barely practices, would be a disaster. We need to move forward, not regress back into the dark ages. It just would not work!

The U.S. would not elect an openly gay president either. In fact, every presidential candidate has been a conventional family man with a requisite schedule of church visits. America wouldn't elect an openly atheist president.

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"Conventional family man" Includes someone who has been married as many as three times?

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Can you state specifically which polices a Muslim candidate in the US is likely to expose based on her religion that you would oppose? Is it the praying five times a day that you believe would be disqualifying? The chance that the President might go on the Haj? Is it the charity that the President would demonstrate? The fasting? Or, her simple profession of faith? I am having a really difficult time understanding why all Muslims should be unconstitutionally barred from the Presidency.

NP here

I'll give a simple example. Muslims due to religious reasons do not consume pork. If they supported a policy banning or restricting pork products I would be opposed. It really boils down to how willing said person is to imposing their believes onto the general public. Nothing wrong with them practicing their believes as an individual. There is only an issue when/if they impose their religious beliefs onto the general public.

Jews have the same restriction. Do you oppose Jewish presidents? Catholics are not supposed to eat meat on Friday. If you like to eat meat on Friday, do you oppose Catholic presidents?

Again, if an individual candidate espouses positions that you oppose, don't vote for him. What I don't understand is that Ben Carson and many posters here oppose a Muslim candidate regardless of any political positions that candidate had simply due to her religion.

Your not getting it are you. I'm not oppose if they practice those beliefs on a personal level. I oppose them imposing those beliefs upon the general public. So yes, I oppose any individual who puts religion above the common good no matter the Religion.

Are you saying it is OK for a President to put religion above the common good? To impose their beliefs onto the general public? I hope not.

No. Where did you ever get the idea that I support putting religion above the common good? You must be making the assumption that all Muslims would put religion above the common good. I do not think thatWhat is true. Why do you seem to think it is true? I oppose is having one standard for Muslims and one standard for everyone else. If you have one standard, then you and I are on the same page. I don't know why you would think that we have a disagreement.

That is because it is the only religion that has demonstrated that they will hurt you if you do not adhere to their way of life-they want to impose their way of life and their ultimate goal is to reign over the entire world. Why the hell do they want Sharia laws in Texas-assimilate or leave-if we pulled that stuff in their countries, they would kill us! Not consistent with western values.

As an atheist, this sounds an awful lot like Christianity to me.

In which century?

[Anonymous]

Worth remembering there are Islamophobes on the left, too. Plenty of bigotry to go around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Conventional family man" Includes someone who has been married as many as three times?

Nothing unconventional about it. America wouldn't elect a single, dating, living-with-someone, or gay person. Most of them have been conventional husbands in conventional families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Can you state specifically which polices a Muslim candidate in the US is likely to expose based on her religion that you would oppose? Is it the praying five times a day that you believe would be disqualifying? The chance that the President might go on the Haj? Is it the charity that the President would demonstrate? The fasting? Or, her simple profession of faith? I am having a really difficult time understanding why all Muslims should be unconstitutionally barred from the Presidency.

NP here

I'll give a simple example. Muslims due to religious reasons do not consume pork. If they supported a policy banning or restricting pork products I would be opposed. It really boils down to how willing said person is to imposing their believes onto the general public. Nothing wrong with them practicing their believes as an individual. There is only an issue when/if they impose their religious beliefs onto the general public.

Jews have the same restriction. Do you oppose Jewish presidents? Catholics are not supposed to eat meat on Friday. If you like to eat meat on Friday, do you oppose Catholic presidents?

Again, if an individual candidate espouses positions that you oppose, don't vote for him. What I don't understand is that Ben Carson and many posters here oppose a Muslim candidate regardless of any political positions that candidate had simply due to her religion.

Your not getting it are you. I'm not oppose if they practice those beliefs on a personal level. I oppose them imposing those beliefs upon the general public. So yes, I oppose any individual who puts religion above the common good no matter the Religion.

Are you saying it is OK for a President to put religion above the common good? To impose their beliefs onto the general public? I hope not.

No. Where did you ever get the idea that I support putting religion above the common good? You must be making the assumption that all Muslims would put religion above the common good. I do not think thatWhat is true. Why do you seem to think it is true? I oppose is having one standard for Muslims and one standard for everyone else. If you have one standard, then you and I are on the same page. I don't know why you would think that we have a disagreement.

That is because it is the only religion that has demonstrated that they will hurt you if you do not adhere to their way of life-they want to impose their way of life and their ultimate goal is to reign over the entire world. Why the hell do they want Sharia laws in Texas-assimilate or leave-if we pulled that stuff in their countries, they would kill us! Not consistent with western values.

As an atheist, this sounds an awful lot like Christianity to me.

And the Mafia and the Vatican have loved each other for decades, both contributing to crime and death in Italy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Islam is not compatible with Western values. They deflect any criticism with shrill cries of Islamophobia but refuse to discuss their own shortcomings.

Other religions also have their failings but we are at least allowed to discuss those without the typical fallout seen when Islam is criticised. See Danish cartoon riots, murdered Dutch film makers and the Charlie Hebdo murders in Paris for great examples.

Maybe if they do some soul searching and start to treat women, gays, non-Muslims etc. with respect, then people would be more accepting of them in the West. Tolerance needs to flow both ways.

And yes, I have spent quite a bit of time in Muslim countries. Try it out for yourself and you'll see what I mean. If you are female, I recommend wandering around in a typical American summer outfit to see the welcome and tolerance you will receive.

Yeah-a violent gang rape!

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]Would you people be OK with putting an Orthodox Jew in the White House? Is that OK?
Can you imagine if one of the presidential candidates said they wouldn't want a Jewish president in the White House? Would it be Ok to say that? Would there then be discussion of how people wouldn't want a President to have large sideburns or beards and strange hats in the White House?



Jews are westernized, civilized and do not want to murder an entire population for not agreeing with their beliefs-they are pretty much a peaceful people.

[jsteele]

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Jews are westernized, civilized and do not want to murder an entire population for not agreeing with their beliefs-they are pretty much a peaceful people.

I guess I am not shocked that you seem to believe every single Muslim on earth wants to murder people who don't agree with them. However, I am shocked that your views appear to be widely accepted by a number of otherwise intelligent-seeming posters here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would not want my daughter or any other little girl seeing a First Lady covered head to toe in black cloth with only a small slit for their eyes.
As women in this country, we have come way too far for that. I also do not want my gay friends and family to find themselves again on the outskirts of society after the recent Supreme Court decision. Islam is not compatible with our constitution and our freedoms. I have no interest in shariah law becoming accepted anywhere in this country. I also find it terribly disturbing that liberal society thinks it is OK to discriminate against women and gays as long as you are Muslim. I am not saying all Muslims are bad people, certainly there are many more good Muslims than bad. But the basis of the religion is anti-woman and anti-gay and I am not OK with that. How anyone can deny the obvious is very disturbing.

+ 1,0000-When in Rome......I doubt Iran or any other Middle Eastern country would let a Jew, or a gay person become their president-the Muslim culture is NOT consistent with western values, and it never will be. That is why having a Muslim president would be a disaster for this country. It is sort of a catch 22-Muslim ideology/president not consistent with constitution-restricting a Muslim from becoming president based on religion is unconstitutional. Do we "hurt" the Muslim candidate by violating the constitution or hurt the entire nation and population in it (well maybe not the American Muslims) by having one in office? and I think having any Muslim in office in this country be it an extremist or one who barely practices, would be a disaster. We need to move forward, not regress back into the dark ages. It just would not work!

The U.S. would not elect an openly gay president either. In fact, every presidential candidate has been a conventional family man with a requisite schedule of church visits. America wouldn't elect an openly atheist president.

I agree with first poster. I'd gladly vote for a gay president but not a Muslim. The religion tolerates & even supports too many ideals that are contrary to what the nation stands for. Anyone associated with any organization that routinely suppresses the rights of woman has no business being involved in our govt in any way. If that makes me a racist, so be it. I voted for Obama twice btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Worth remembering there are Islamophobes on the left, too. Plenty of bigotry to go around.

Spot on!

But it will not be well-received on this forum.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:Worth remembering there are Islamophobes on the left, too. Plenty of bigotry to go around.

Spot on!

But it will not be well-received on this forum.

I agree that there are Islamophobes on the left. Many are posting on this thread.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not want my daughter or any other little girl seeing a First Lady covered head to toe in black cloth with only a small slit for their eyes.
As women in this country, we have come way too far for that. I also do not want my gay friends and family to find themselves again on the outskirts of society after the recent Supreme Court decision. Islam is not compatible with our constitution and our freedoms. I have no interest in shariah law becoming accepted anywhere in this country. I also find it terribly disturbing that liberal society thinks it is OK to discriminate against women and gays as long as you are Muslim. I am not saying all Muslims are bad people, certainly there are many more good Muslims than bad. But the basis of the religion is anti-woman and anti-gay and I am not OK with that. How anyone can deny the obvious is very disturbing.

+ 1,0000-When in Rome......I doubt Iran or any other Middle Eastern country would let a Jew, or a gay person become their president-the Muslim culture is NOT consistent with western values, and it never will be. That is why having a Muslim president would be a disaster for this country. It is sort of a catch 22-Muslim ideology/president not consistent with constitution-restricting a Muslim from becoming president based on religion is unconstitutional. Do we "hurt" the Muslim candidate by violating the constitution or hurt the entire nation and population in it (well maybe not the American Muslims) by having one in office? and I think having any Muslim in office in this country be it an extremist or one who barely practices, would be a disaster. We need to move forward, not regress back into the dark ages. It just would not work!

The U.S. would not elect an openly gay president either. In fact, every presidential candidate has been a conventional family man with a requisite schedule of church visits. America wouldn't elect an openly atheist president.

I agree with first poster. I'd gladly vote for a gay president but not a Muslim. The religion tolerates & even supports too many ideals that are contrary to what the nation stands for. Anyone associated with any organization that routinely suppresses the rights of woman has no business being involved in our govt in any way. If that makes me a racist, so be it. I voted for Obama twice btw.

Your position makes you a bigot, but that is likely excused by your ignorance. The Republican Party routinely suppresses the rights of women. Do you support a prohibition on Republicans being president?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[b]

Anonymous wrote:I personally would not want my daughter or any other little girl seeing a First Lady covered head to toe in black cloth with only a small slit for their eyes.
As women in this country, we have come way too far for that. I also do not want my gay friends and family to find themselves again on the outskirts of society after the recent Supreme Court decision. Islam is not compatible with our constitution and our freedoms. I have no interest in shariah law becoming accepted anywhere in this country. I also find it terribly disturbing that liberal society thinks it is OK to discriminate against women and gays as long as you are Muslim. I am not saying all Muslims are bad people, certainly there are many more good Muslims than bad. But the basis of the religion is anti-woman and anti-gay and I am not OK with that. How anyone can deny the obvious is very disturbing.

+ 1,0000-When in Rome......I doubt Iran or any other Middle Eastern country would let a Jew, or a gay person become their president-the Muslim culture is NOT consistent with western values, and it never will be. That is why having a Muslim president would be a disaster for this country. It is sort of a catch 22-Muslim ideology/president not consistent with constitution-restricting a Muslim from becoming president based on religion is unconstitutional. Do we "hurt" the Muslim candidate by violating the constitution or hurt the entire nation and population in it (well maybe not the American Muslims) by having one in office? and I think having any Muslim in office in this country be it an extremist or one who barely practices, would be a disaster. We need to move forward, not regress back into the dark ages. It just would not work!

The U.S. would not elect an openly gay president either. In fact, every presidential candidate has been a conventional family man with a requisite schedule of church visits. America wouldn't elect an openly atheist president.

I agree with first poster. I'd gladly vote for a gay president but not a Muslim. The religion tolerates & even supports too many ideals that are contrary to what the nation stands for. Anyone associated with any organization that routinely suppresses the rights of woman has no business being involved in our govt in any way. If that makes me a racist, so be it. I voted for Obama twice btw.

Most of America will not vote for an openly gay president, gladly or otherwise.