So, what is wrong with Hardy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

Good news is that I have an answer for you!!

She's still there because she is a great English teacher!

We love her (although our kid does not. "She makes us write and write and write").

Forgot to add: we are white, and IB. Never felt she had issues about IBs before reading it on this board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

Please speak for yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

Please speak for yourself.

When they renovated Hardy, they made the building beautiful. Then some bureaucrat agreed to put an ugly (and potentially harmful) cell phone tower on the roof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is, neither Williams nor Swarthmore grads would consider sending their kids to Hardy; and of course Duke grads would not, mostly because they see that Williams and Swarthmore grads will not. This is really the source of the ill motivation coming from the Hardy Haters. Most normal people, and even the rare normal Georgetown grad, will see the beauty in Hardy.

LOL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

The teacher you're referring to was one of the best teachers my (white, IB) child had, at Hardy or any other school. She treated every student fairly, made every student work hard, had high expectations of every student, and taught them a ton. That's why she's still working. Please stop slandering her.

Wow, sounds like she was working really hard to stop IB students from coming to Hardy. IB students must be lazy, then -- too scared of this teacher's high expectations!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

The teacher you're referring to was one of the best teachers my (white, IB) child had, at Hardy or any other school. She treated every student fairly, made every student work hard, had high expectations of every student, and taught them a ton. That's why she's still working. Please stop slandering her.

Wow, sounds like she was working really hard to stop IB students from coming to Hardy. IB students must be lazy, then -- too scared of this teacher's high expectations!

Maybe they finally convinced her that the Barry era really was over and made her go on Prozac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Yep, test scores are the biggest deterrent. Ward 3 kids simply perform at a much higher level, as a whole, than kids from outside of Ward 3, as a whole. Hence the tit-for-tat about snobbery and racism; but when you get down to it the scores speak for themselves. You can argue about the generational, social causes for lower test scores, but that's beside the point when parents desire the best possible education for their kid(s), in the present. Parents tend to want high-achieving kids to be surrounded by (mostly) other high achieving kids. Once this is acknowledged, what else is there to discuss other than uniforms and P.E.?

Anyone who works in education in DC will tell you that this isn't really true. Teachers who 'inherit' high performing students don't have to work nearly as hard as those who do not. Income level is still the largest determining factor for academic performance meaning high SES children consistently score higher than low SES children. There's no special magic happening at any WOTP schools. Remove many of those teachers to a low performing school and they wouldn't be able to get anywhere close to the same results. So, you're not necessarily getting the best possible education. What you're getting is a school with other children who are high performing, many also high SES, and typically more resources, because parents can afford to provide them when the District wont.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

The teacher you're referring to was one of the best teachers my (white, IB) child had, at Hardy or any other school. She treated every student fairly, made every student work hard, had high expectations of every student, and taught them a ton. That's why she's still working. Please stop slandering her.

Wow, sounds like she was working really hard to stop IB students from coming to Hardy. IB students must be lazy, then -- too scared of this teacher's high expectations!

Maybe they finally convinced her that the Barry era really was over and made her go on Prozac.

Except there's some great stuff in the City Paper about how Chris Berry wants to "Bring the Berry Back!" One can only hope -- this city was only any fun when people were scared to move here.

[Anonymous]

I mean, he's "Bringing Barry Back!" Not berries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, he's "Bringing Barry Back!" Not berries.

Maybe the angry English teacher will be his campaign manager.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Yep, test scores are the biggest deterrent. Ward 3 kids simply perform at a much higher level, as a whole, than kids from outside of Ward 3, as a whole. Hence the tit-for-tat about snobbery and racism; but when you get down to it the scores speak for themselves. You can argue about the generational, social causes for lower test scores, but that's beside the point when parents desire the best possible education for their kid(s), in the present. Parents tend to want high-achieving kids to be surrounded by (mostly) other high achieving kids. Once this is acknowledged, what else is there to discuss other than uniforms and P.E.?

Anyone who works in education in DC will tell you that this isn't really true. Teachers who 'inherit' high performing students don't have to work nearly as hard as those who do not. Income level is still the largest determining factor for academic performance meaning high SES children consistently score higher than low SES children. There's no special magic happening at any WOTP schools. Remove many of those teachers to a low performing school and they wouldn't be able to get anywhere close to the same results. So, you're not necessarily getting the best possible education. What you're getting is a school with other children who are high performing, many also high SES, and typically more resources, because parents can afford to provide them when the District wont.

@PP,

In the above, do you consider Hardy to be a "WOTP school"? Are you saying that Hardy is under resourced compared to schools with more high SES students?

[Anonymous]

Nope, what I'm saying is that when people are stating that they are turned off by a school simply because of test scores, they are missing the mark. Test scores, in and of themselves, do not determine that a child is receiving a high-quality education. So take out WOTP and replace it with 'high test scores' (which will read a little funny, but you get the point).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope, what I'm saying is that when people are stating that they are turned off by a school simply because of test scores, they are missing the mark. Test scores, in and of themselves, do not determine that a child is receiving a high-quality education. So take out WOTP and replace it with 'high test scores' (which will read a little funny, but you get the point).

So by this construct, Hardy woukd not be considered in the same category as WOTP schools and lacks the resources of a higher SES school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now I figured out exactly why white northeast liberals are worse racists than white conservative southerners. White northeast liberals surgically segregate undesirable races out if their lives while southern conservatives integrate with the natural friction but at least they integrate .

Having lived in both places I can say that was not my experience AT ALL.

Anyway what are the other criticsms of Hardy besides it's ib rate, it's size and it's uniform policy?

You missed the most important one. Test scores, which though not perfect,are the best measure of education quality available.

I am very happy Hardy has a stable staff and seems poised to make progress. We sent our oldest to private during the principal churn years, but there is a chance we could send the younger one to Hardy.

Based on discussion on the other thread, some of the faculty is a perhaps little too stable, including a militant, angry English teacher who was a vocal ringleader against Chancellor Rhee's efforts to recruit more IB students to Hardy. One wonders why she is still working there.

The teacher you're referring to was one of the best teachers my (white, IB) child had, at Hardy or any other school. She treated every student fairly, made every student work hard, had high expectations of every student, and taught them a ton. That's why she's still working. Please stop slandering her.

Wow, sounds like she was working really hard to stop IB students from coming to Hardy. IB students must be lazy, then -- too scared of this teacher's high expectations!

Maybe they finally convinced her that the Barry era really was over and made her go on Prozac.

Oh yeah, I'm sure she was just obsessed with Marion Barry! Because all the educated people on DCUM know that anyone they dislike must be a fan of Marion Barry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, he's "Bringing Barry Back!" Not berries.

The son for life? The one who was throwing chairs and melting down in a bank and quite possibly may still get elected?

Why is it that DC is a laughingstock again? Help me, someone, it's hard to justify to the rest of my family why I live in a city of apparently complete and total idiots.

This thread is so much fun.