CDC employees losing RA telework

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It’s because people don’t use the report button. Jeff deletes mean people like a flash.


The anti-fed trolling has increased dramatically this year.


There's very little trolling, just a lot of people (probably many of them feds) pointing out that telework doesn't need to be provided.


If you don’t have an RA, why is someone else’s accommodation your problem? Just a bunch of busybodies.


Because it’s not being fairly applied. Many of us don’t want to lie and get doctors to sign off on it.

I like RTO. I think if they gave us all 1-2 days of telework everyone would be happy. My agency had a lot of issues with remote work. Employees were not available when needed and of course fed supervisors couldn’t do anything about it. I had one where I had pages and pages of documentation of someone not doing work and not being available (missing meetings) and HR couldn’t do anything more than give warnings.


Why should I accept your bad faith assumption that not only are employees lying, but that people with medical licenses are willing to risk their livelihoods by lying?


One doctor I see advertises on his website that he will write telework letters. I think you’re making a silly and naive assumption that this isn’t incredibly common. Or, you know that, and are yourself making a bad faith argument (which I think is more likely).


Again, how is this some sort of proof that doctors are willing to commit outright fraud? If this person actually advertises this, surely you can give us a link, right? And if they do, they should be aware that they are walking on a thin line and possibly committing fraud that will cost them their license. I don't see what incentive a doctor would have to do such a thing.


DP. The letters I've seen don't lie. They identify a medical condition or two, and then either say that they recommend telework or that'll identify benefits of telework. And they don't say what the person is unable to do.

The more legitimate ones generally do identify specific things the person cannot do (safely). Unfortunately, many of those we can't do anymore, like temporary telework after surgeries while someone is recovering and has significantly impaired mobility. Unless it's a long-term condition, their only option is to take sick leave or unpaid FMLA.


This is total BS. I have an RA for a medical condition. I submitted a letter that was not specific enough and it was promptly refused. I had to go back to my doctor to have them revise it to be more specific.

If your agency does not follow an appropriate legal protocol that is not the fault of people who need an RA.


Good for your agency.

There's only one person left in our accommodations office. She doesn't care as along as the letter 1) identifies a medical condition, and 2) references the desired accommodation.

Sure babe


The latest RA request is from someone with ADHD and anxiety, where the doctor noted that telework would reduce the stress of his long commute.

I'll be curious to see if the the RA office still recommends that we accept that one.


Are you the supervisor? It's on you to negotiate with the employee on what is reasonable. There's no reason to accept a doctor's nonspecific recommendation except you and HR being incompetent at your jobs. A lot of problems with federal employment come down to this- incompetent management.


I have zero confidence that my agency will support me in a lawsuit. I will do whatever HR recommends in writing.


Again… this is on HR and your agency. You are making it so clear. Why should people with disabilities suffer?

Someone above mentioned back pain as if that is a fake disability… do you know how monstrously debilitating back pain can be? It can ruin someone’s life. That’s why it’s not up to you- it’s up to the doctor to determine medical need.


That person should move closer to work if the commute is challenging.


Who are you to make that decision? Why should an employer make that decision for someone if telework is available as a reasonable accommodation?


The employer doesn't need to accomodate the employee's preferred home location.


DP. We are talking about reasonable accommodations. Telework is a reasonable accommodation for people who do their work using computers. It costs the employer nothing. Forcing someone to move for this is unreasonable, especially if they were hired as a fully remote employee.

Also, I was hired as a fully remote employee. There was no way I could have reasonably predicted that RTO would happen in this manner, 5 days a week, to a location 45 miles through DMV traffic away from my home. I never would have taken the job. And If in-person work really is necessary, then that onus should be on the employer to prove that.

But we all know it isn’t necessary, not when the rest of my team is working out of offices spread across the country. We are still effectively remote. Not to mention the exemptions for military spouses, religious RAs, and what seems to be some type of favoritism in my agency where a few folks are WFH with infinitely pending RA applications, without really any explanation.



Exactly. And employers are not obligated to provide reasonable accommodations for the employee's choice of home. They don't need to say in-person work is essential. They don't need to provide anything if the issue is based on the length of the person's commute. Although, if the back pain continues during the workday, perhaps they would provide a better chair or a standing desk.


NP and this is an incorrect statement as commuting is considered a major life activity under the Rehabilitation Act.


There's a lot of case law on this. Employers don't need to accomodate your decision to live far from the workplace.

Show us the case law.


There was a list in one of the other recent threads on RAs for telework. I highly doubt this is news to you.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how much meaner people are on DCUM than on other parts of the internet


It’s because people don’t use the report button. Jeff deletes mean people like a flash.


The anti-fed trolling has increased dramatically this year.


There's very little trolling, just a lot of people (probably many of them feds) pointing out that telework doesn't need to be provided.


If you don’t have an RA, why is someone else’s accommodation your problem? Just a bunch of busybodies.


Because it’s not being fairly applied. Many of us don’t want to lie and get doctors to sign off on it.

I like RTO. I think if they gave us all 1-2 days of telework everyone would be happy. My agency had a lot of issues with remote work. Employees were not available when needed and of course fed supervisors couldn’t do anything about it. I had one where I had pages and pages of documentation of someone not doing work and not being available (missing meetings) and HR couldn’t do anything more than give warnings.


Why should I accept your bad faith assumption that not only are employees lying, but that people with medical licenses are willing to risk their livelihoods by lying?


One doctor I see advertises on his website that he will write telework letters. I think you’re making a silly and naive assumption that this isn’t incredibly common. Or, you know that, and are yourself making a bad faith argument (which I think is more likely).


Again, how is this some sort of proof that doctors are willing to commit outright fraud? If this person actually advertises this, surely you can give us a link, right? And if they do, they should be aware that they are walking on a thin line and possibly committing fraud that will cost them their license. I don't see what incentive a doctor would have to do such a thing.


DP. The letters I've seen don't lie. They identify a medical condition or two, and then either say that they recommend telework or that'll identify benefits of telework. And they don't say what the person is unable to do.

The more legitimate ones generally do identify specific things the person cannot do (safely). Unfortunately, many of those we can't do anymore, like temporary telework after surgeries while someone is recovering and has significantly impaired mobility. Unless it's a long-term condition, their only option is to take sick leave or unpaid FMLA.


This is total BS. I have an RA for a medical condition. I submitted a letter that was not specific enough and it was promptly refused. I had to go back to my doctor to have them revise it to be more specific.

If your agency does not follow an appropriate legal protocol that is not the fault of people who need an RA.


Good for your agency.

There's only one person left in our accommodations office. She doesn't care as along as the letter 1) identifies a medical condition, and 2) references the desired accommodation.

Sure babe


The latest RA request is from someone with ADHD and anxiety, where the doctor noted that telework would reduce the stress of his long commute.

I'll be curious to see if the the RA office still recommends that we accept that one.


Are you the supervisor? It's on you to negotiate with the employee on what is reasonable. There's no reason to accept a doctor's nonspecific recommendation except you and HR being incompetent at your jobs. A lot of problems with federal employment come down to this- incompetent management.


I have zero confidence that my agency will support me in a lawsuit. I will do whatever HR recommends in writing.


Again… this is on HR and your agency. You are making it so clear. Why should people with disabilities suffer?

Someone above mentioned back pain as if that is a fake disability… do you know how monstrously debilitating back pain can be? It can ruin someone’s life. That’s why it’s not up to you- it’s up to the doctor to determine medical need.


That person should move closer to work if the commute is challenging.


Who are you to make that decision? Why should an employer make that decision for someone if telework is available as a reasonable accommodation?


The employer doesn't need to accomodate the employee's preferred home location.


DP. We are talking about reasonable accommodations. Telework is a reasonable accommodation for people who do their work using computers. It costs the employer nothing. Forcing someone to move for this is unreasonable, especially if they were hired as a fully remote employee.

Also, I was hired as a fully remote employee. There was no way I could have reasonably predicted that RTO would happen in this manner, 5 days a week, to a location 45 miles through DMV traffic away from my home. I never would have taken the job. And If in-person work really is necessary, then that onus should be on the employer to prove that.

But we all know it isn’t necessary, not when the rest of my team is working out of offices spread across the country. We are still effectively remote. Not to mention the exemptions for military spouses, religious RAs, and what seems to be some type of favoritism in my agency where a few folks are WFH with infinitely pending RA applications, without really any explanation.



Exactly. And employers are not obligated to provide reasonable accommodations for the employee's choice of home. They don't need to say in-person work is essential. They don't need to provide anything if the issue is based on the length of the person's commute. Although, if the back pain continues during the workday, perhaps they would provide a better chair or a standing desk.


NP and this is an incorrect statement as commuting is considered a major life activity under the Rehabilitation Act.


There's a lot of case law on this. Employers don't need to accomodate your decision to live far from the workplace.

Show us the case law.


There was a list in one of the other recent threads on RAs for telework. I highly doubt this is news to you.

So you can’t show us the case law. Got it.
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Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.
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Or providing a respirator or maybe a private office.


Why would you twist yourself into pretzels to defend making this person come in to the office. Ghoul.


GHOUL. Two of our middle management left without a new job lined up because ROT is an insult they said. Successors patrol the office, reiterate rules, take back project-required telework one by one. Department head asked HR to put ADA requests on hold indefinitely.

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Anonymous wrote:Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.


The EEOC has its own line of decisions that apply to federal agencies and employees. EEOC’s case law holds that federal agencies must consider telecommuting if an employee is unable to physically commute to the office. EEOC’s case law differs from the federal courts, but is nevertheless binding on federal agencies.
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Looks like they figured out they were about to get their pants sued-off: https://www.statnews.com/2025/09/16/cdc-temporarily-revokes-remote-work-approvals-disabilitiies/
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Anonymous wrote:Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.



Did you use AI to generate this list? I just tried to pull up Carr v. Reno. I can't find a 1995 DC Circuit decision. I did find a 1994 DC Circuit decision (23 F.3d 525). In that decision, Carr, a DOJ employee with Meniere's disease, was fired because she was unable to work a consistent 8 hour day and meet a daily 4 pm deadline. The DC Circuit upheld that ruling.

Here's a paragraph from that decision:

"We are reminded that section 501 demands a great deal from federal employers in the way of accommodation. Indeed, in appropriate cases, that section requires an agency to consider work at home, as well as reassignment in another position, as potential forms of accommodation. See Langon v. HHS, 959 F.2d 1053 (D.C. Cir. 1992) (holding that an agency must consider accommodating a computer programmer with multiple sclerosis by allowing her to work at home). But under the facts of this case the U.S. Attorney's Office properly rejected these options. Ms. Carr concedes that she could not work as a Coding Clerk at home, as the job involves tight 4:00 p.m. deadlines. "
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Anonymous wrote:Can’t those people just file for disability retirement if they aren’t able to perform their duties (requiring being in the office) and get their 60/40% pay until retirement while they go find another job?


I broke my foot and was on crutches while 7 months pregnant. I needed RA for 6 weeks because it was too hard to get to the office. I don’t have separate disability insurance (and fed government doesn’t provide it) and I wasn’t ready to retire at the time (a decade ago). My agency also would have lost my expertise. People able to perform their jobs from home, but unable to commute for a medical reason, abound have options. It’s short sighted to take them away.
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Anonymous wrote:Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.



Did you use AI to generate this list? I just tried to pull up Carr v. Reno. I can't find a 1995 DC Circuit decision. I did find a 1994 DC Circuit decision (23 F.3d 525). In that decision, Carr, a DOJ employee with Meniere's disease, was fired because she was unable to work a consistent 8 hour day and meet a daily 4 pm deadline. The DC Circuit upheld that ruling.

Here's a paragraph from that decision:

"We are reminded that section 501 demands a great deal from federal employers in the way of accommodation. Indeed, in appropriate cases, that section requires an agency to consider work at home, as well as reassignment in another position, as potential forms of accommodation. See Langon v. HHS, 959 F.2d 1053 (D.C. Cir. 1992) (holding that an agency must consider accommodating a computer programmer with multiple sclerosis by allowing her to work at home). But under the facts of this case the U.S. Attorney's Office properly rejected these options. Ms. Carr concedes that she could not work as a Coding Clerk at home, as the job involves tight 4:00 p.m. deadlines. "



And, for

"Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances."

Tyndall did have Lupus, which caused her to miss many days at work due to her illness. She missed more work due to taking care of her son. She was terminated for missing too many days at work, and the 4th Circuit upheld that termination. She was a great worker, but working on a regular basis was an essential aspect of her job as an instructor.

I don't see where she asked for full time WFH as a reasonable accomodation. However, the court does state the following:

"Except in the unusual case where an employee can effectively perform all work-related duties at home, an employee "who does not come to work cannot perform any of his job functions, essential or otherwise." Wimbley v. Bolger, 642 F. Supp. 481, 485 (W.D.Tenn. 1986), aff'd, 831 F.2d 298 (6th Cir. 1987). Therefore, a regular and reliable level of attendance is a necessary element of most jobs." (emphasis added).

Seems pretty clear that the 4th circuit was being very careful to NOT let someone infer from this ruling that coming into the office was a necessary element of the job if the employee could effectively perform all work-related duties at home.

You really shouldn't cite cases without reading them.
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Anonymous wrote:Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.


The EEOC has its own line of decisions that apply to federal agencies and employees. EEOC’s case law holds that federal agencies must consider telecommuting if an employee is unable to physically commute to the office. EEOC’s case law differs from the federal courts, but is nevertheless binding on federal agencies.


Such as? The EEOC similarly holds the view that employer obligations regarding the commute are limited:
https://www.eeoc.gov/foia/eeoc-informal-discussion-letter-47
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Anonymous wrote:Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.



Did you use AI to generate this list? I just tried to pull up Carr v. Reno. I can't find a 1995 DC Circuit decision. I did find a 1994 DC Circuit decision (23 F.3d 525). In that decision, Carr, a DOJ employee with Meniere's disease, was fired because she was unable to work a consistent 8 hour day and meet a daily 4 pm deadline. The DC Circuit upheld that ruling.

Here's a paragraph from that decision:

"We are reminded that section 501 demands a great deal from federal employers in the way of accommodation. Indeed, in appropriate cases, that section requires an agency to consider work at home, as well as reassignment in another position, as potential forms of accommodation. See Langon v. HHS, 959 F.2d 1053 (D.C. Cir. 1992) (holding that an agency must consider accommodating a computer programmer with multiple sclerosis by allowing her to work at home). But under the facts of this case the U.S. Attorney's Office properly rejected these options. Ms. Carr concedes that she could not work as a Coding Clerk at home, as the job involves tight 4:00 p.m. deadlines. "



And, for

"Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances."

Tyndall did have Lupus, which caused her to miss many days at work due to her illness. She missed more work due to taking care of her son. She was terminated for missing too many days at work, and the 4th Circuit upheld that termination. She was a great worker, but working on a regular basis was an essential aspect of her job as an instructor.

I don't see where she asked for full time WFH as a reasonable accomodation. However, the court does state the following:

"Except in the unusual case where an employee can effectively perform all work-related duties at home, an employee "who does not come to work cannot perform any of his job functions, essential or otherwise." Wimbley v. Bolger, 642 F. Supp. 481, 485 (W.D.Tenn. 1986), aff'd, 831 F.2d 298 (6th Cir. 1987). Therefore, a regular and reliable level of attendance is a necessary element of most jobs." (emphasis added).

Seems pretty clear that the 4th circuit was being very careful to NOT let someone infer from this ruling that coming into the office was a necessary element of the job if the employee could effectively perform all work-related duties at home.

You really shouldn't cite cases without reading them.


To be perfectly clear - neither of these two cases was someone in a role that could be performed completely remotely asking to WFH due to a medical condition making a commute difficult, having that request denied, and appealing it.
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Anonymous wrote:Can’t those people just file for disability retirement if they aren’t able to perform their duties (requiring being in the office) and get their 60/40% pay until retirement while they go find another job?


I broke my foot and was on crutches while 7 months pregnant. I needed RA for 6 weeks because it was too hard to get to the office. I don’t have separate disability insurance (and fed government doesn’t provide it) and I wasn’t ready to retire at the time (a decade ago). My agency also would have lost my expertise. People able to perform their jobs from home, but unable to commute for a medical reason, abound have options. It’s short sighted to take them away.


This is a situation where a worker should absolutely have RA. What kind of beast would deny a pregnant woman with a broken foot who CAN work from home the opportunity to do so?

The culture of this administration is supposedly pro-family/pro-pregnancy (I stop short of using pro-life to describe these particular people) but I could see them (Vought, for example) denying an injured pregnant woman RA just to put her in her place for daring to having a job.
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Anonymous wrote:I will say that it was horrible for me losing telework, but I didn't think it was fair that coworkers got RAs approved for made up reasons. I know that RAs are often legitimate, but the ones I saw and know personally (I am in the approval chain for these) were bogus. Anxiety and back pain from a long commute were popular.


I don't get this argument at all. The claims either meet the standard for an RA or they don't. If the HR people aren't doing their jobs and properly vetting claims the answer is they should be disciplined or trained better, not remove the RA from everyone.


But what is an appropriate RA? I have a few disabled coworkers who were in electric wheelchairs and they worked in person with me for 15 years. We even put in van accessible parking spots just for them.

Maybe immunocompromised in an RA?


Yes, and various autoimmune disorders, and people under going cancer treatment for example. They can still work, but it might be deadly to come into the office and catch flu or Covid.


Treatment for cancer isn’t permanent. They should and do get a temporary RA. I know several people with autoimmune diseases that work in person. A few are teachers.


NP - The fact that you know several people with autoimmune diseases who work in-person is irrelevant. It depends on the specific autoimmune disease and the specific person.

Moreover, some cancers are incurable, but treatable, i.e., people are on treatments for the rest of their lives to keep the cancer at bay. In many of those instances, the treatments are immunosuppressive. So, yes, for people who are on those kinds of cancer treatments and are severely immunocompromised as a result, full-time telework is a very appropriate RA.


Or providing a respirator or maybe a private office.


Why would you twist yourself into pretzels to defend making this person come in to the office. Ghoul.


Exactly. Only a beast would twist themselves into a pretzel to make someone literally sick but still effective come into the office, especially just to jump on Teams calls all day. 🙄
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can’t those people just file for disability retirement if they aren’t able to perform their duties (requiring being in the office) and get their 60/40% pay until retirement while they go find another job?


I broke my foot and was on crutches while 7 months pregnant. I needed RA for 6 weeks because it was too hard to get to the office. I don’t have separate disability insurance (and fed government doesn’t provide it) and I wasn’t ready to retire at the time (a decade ago). My agency also would have lost my expertise. People able to perform their jobs from home, but unable to commute for a medical reason, abound have options. It’s short sighted to take them away.


This is a situation where a worker should absolutely have RA. What kind of beast would deny a pregnant woman with a broken foot who CAN work from home the opportunity to do so?

The culture of this administration is supposedly pro-family/pro-pregnancy (I stop short of using pro-life to describe these particular people) but I could see them (Vought, for example) denying an injured pregnant woman RA just to put her in her place for daring to having a job.


Remote work is one of the most pro-family, pro-life policies any employer can allow, and so many companies and the administration have rejected it because they are anti-family, anti-life, anti-worker.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Regan v. Faurecia Automotive Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012)
Scenario: Employee with narcolepsy had difficulty driving in heavy traffic and asked to avoid a new shift schedule.
Ruling: The ADA does not require employers to accommodate commuting problems outside the workplace. The employer was not required to adjust the shift just to make the drive easier.

Unrein v. PHC-Fort Morgan, Inc. (10th Cir. 2021)
Scenario: Legally blind employee with a 60-mile commute asked to work only when she could secure a ride. She proposed telework on these days as an alternative accommodation, as some job functions could be performed remotely.
Ruling: The request was not reasonable. The ADA does not require an employer to accommodate unpredictable attendance stemming from transportation barriers. The employer was also not required to allow partial telework, as the employee did not show she could perform all essential job functions remotely.

Schneider v. Giant of Maryland, LLC (D. Md. 2009)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty using public transportation and requested schedule changes.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide a different shift solely to ease commuting.

Salmon v. Dade County School Board (11th Cir. 1993)
Scenario: Teacher with vision impairment wanted transfer to a school closer to home.
Ruling: Employer was not obligated to accommodate by shortening the commute.

Lyons v. Legal Aid Society (S.D.N.Y. 1993)
Scenario: Attorney with a back injury requested reassignment closer to home to shorten subway commute.
Ruling: Employer not required to accommodate commute difficulties unrelated to the essential functions of the job.

Kimble v. Potter (10th Cir. 2009)
Scenario: Postal Service employee with lupus requested a transfer to a facility closer to her home to reduce her commute, which had become difficult due to her condition.
Ruling: The ADA does not obligate employers to accommodate commuting difficulties. A transfer intended solely to shorten the commute was not a reasonable accommodation, since it did not relate to the performance of essential job functions.

Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances.

Carr v. Reno (D.C. Cir. 1995)
Scenario: Employee with multiple sclerosis requested transfer to a closer office to reduce her commute.
Ruling: Employer was not required to transfer her solely to shorten the commute; commuting is not the employer’s responsibility under the Rehabilitation Act.

Gonzagowski v. Widnall (10th Cir. 1996)
Scenario: Civilian Air Force employee with a disability requested transfer to a base closer to home to ease commuting.
Ruling: The court held that commuting is not a job function and the ADA does not require employers to shorten or otherwise accommodate an employee’s commute.

Campbell v. Federal Express Corp. (6th Cir. 1998)
Scenario: Employee with epilepsy had difficulty driving to work during certain hours and requested schedule adjustments to avoid the commute at those times.
Ruling: Employer was not required to alter shifts solely to accommodate transportation problems outside the workplace.

Robinson v. Bodman (D.D.C. 2007)
Scenario: DOE employee with a medical condition sought a transfer to a closer office to reduce travel time.
Ruling: The employer was not required to provide an accommodation related only to commuting; the ADA/Rehabilitation Act obligates accommodation of essential job functions, not travel.



Did you use AI to generate this list? I just tried to pull up Carr v. Reno. I can't find a 1995 DC Circuit decision. I did find a 1994 DC Circuit decision (23 F.3d 525). In that decision, Carr, a DOJ employee with Meniere's disease, was fired because she was unable to work a consistent 8 hour day and meet a daily 4 pm deadline. The DC Circuit upheld that ruling.

Here's a paragraph from that decision:

"We are reminded that section 501 demands a great deal from federal employers in the way of accommodation. Indeed, in appropriate cases, that section requires an agency to consider work at home, as well as reassignment in another position, as potential forms of accommodation. See Langon v. HHS, 959 F.2d 1053 (D.C. Cir. 1992) (holding that an agency must consider accommodating a computer programmer with multiple sclerosis by allowing her to work at home). But under the facts of this case the U.S. Attorney's Office properly rejected these options. Ms. Carr concedes that she could not work as a Coding Clerk at home, as the job involves tight 4:00 p.m. deadlines. "



And, for

"Tyndall v. National Education Centers, Inc. (4th Cir. 1994)
Scenario: Instructor with lupus frequently missed work because her condition and childcare needs made it hard to get to campus.
Ruling: Regular, reliable attendance was essential, and the employer was not obligated to accommodate difficulties that arose from commuting or personal circumstances."

Tyndall did have Lupus, which caused her to miss many days at work due to her illness. She missed more work due to taking care of her son. She was terminated for missing too many days at work, and the 4th Circuit upheld that termination. She was a great worker, but working on a regular basis was an essential aspect of her job as an instructor.

I don't see where she asked for full time WFH as a reasonable accomodation. However, the court does state the following:

"Except in the unusual case where an employee can effectively perform all work-related duties at home, an employee "who does not come to work cannot perform any of his job functions, essential or otherwise." Wimbley v. Bolger, 642 F. Supp. 481, 485 (W.D.Tenn. 1986), aff'd, 831 F.2d 298 (6th Cir. 1987). Therefore, a regular and reliable level of attendance is a necessary element of most jobs." (emphasis added).

Seems pretty clear that the 4th circuit was being very careful to NOT let someone infer from this ruling that coming into the office was a necessary element of the job if the employee could effectively perform all work-related duties at home.

You really shouldn't cite cases without reading them.


To be perfectly clear - neither of these two cases was someone in a role that could be performed completely remotely asking to WFH due to a medical condition making a commute difficult, having that request denied, and appealing it.


Regan v. Faurecia Auto. Seating, Inc. (6th Cir. 2012) summarizes that issue in this paragraph:

"Though this Circuit has not yet decided this precise issue, many courts have found that the Americans with Disabilities Act does not require an employer to accommodate an employee’s commute. Robinson v. Bodman, 333 Fed.Appx. 205, 208 (9th Cir.2009) (“The [employer] was not required to accommodate [the plaintiffs] inability to drive to work or use public transportation. Although an employer is required to make reasonable accommodations to eliminate barriers for a disabled employee in the workplace, the employer is not required to eliminate barriers outside the workplace that make it more difficult for the employee to get to and from work....”); LaResca v. Am. Telephone & Telegraph, 161 F.Supp.2d 323, 333 (D.N.J.2001) (“[T]he change to day shift sought by Plaintiff is not an ‘accommodation,’ that it is legally obligated to provide, but is simply a request for an easier, more convenient commute.”); Salmon v. Dade Cnty. Sch. Bd., 4 F.Supp.2d 1157, 1163 (S.D.Fla.1998) (rejecting plaintiffs claims that employer “failed to accommodate her disability by transferring her to a school which afforded her a shorter commute [because] plaintiffs commute to and from work is an activity that is unrelated to and outside of her job”); Schneider v. Confl Cas. Co., No. 95 C 1820, 1996 WL 944721, at 9 (N.D.Ill. Dec. 16, 1996) (finding employer is not required to eliminate an employee’s commute to accommodate the employee’s back injury); see also Chandler v. Underwriters Labs., Inc., 850 F.Supp. 728, 736 (N.D.Ill. 1994) (employee’s inability to undertake a long commute because of back injury was not a disability for purposes of the employer’s benefit plan but instead a limitation within the employee’s control). “While an employer is required to provide reasonable accommodations that eliminate barriers in the work environment, an employer is not required to eliminate those barriers which exist outside the work environment.” Salmon, 4 F.Supp.2d at 1163."
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