Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because it uses a slightly different methodology and is only two years old. Hardly disingenuous. Sorry it doesn't show you what you want to see.

This response confirms you are being disingenuous. It is a different year, because you knew that it would have results you wanted. Why not keep with the most updated data? because you wanted to confirm your own point. I'm not sure why you want to cower now and act as if this wasn't your intention. The snark at the end isn't helping your case either.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because it uses a slightly different methodology and is only two years old. Hardly disingenuous. Sorry it doesn't show you what you want to see.

This response confirms you are being disingenuous. It is a different year, because you knew that it would have results you wanted. Why not keep with the most updated data? because you wanted to confirm your own point. I'm not sure why you want to cower now and act as if this wasn't your intention. The snark at the end isn't helping your case either.

You're being ridiculous. It's 2025. The data I posted is from 2023. Both rankings have the same four schools at the top--just in different orders. Don't get your undies all in a bunch over nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because it uses a slightly different methodology and is only two years old. Hardly disingenuous. Sorry it doesn't show you what you want to see.

This response confirms you are being disingenuous. It is a different year, because you knew that it would have results you wanted. Why not keep with the most updated data? because you wanted to confirm your own point. I'm not sure why you want to cower now and act as if this wasn't your intention. The snark at the end isn't helping your case either.

You're being ridiculous. It's 2025. The data I posted is from 2023. Both rankings have the same four schools at the top--just in different orders. Don't get your undies all in a bunch over nothing.

So let’s get this right. You made a non point and wanted to see the schools switched around to further make a non point just because you couldn’t accept data from 2025. What an absolute waste of my time.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

That is one report and basewd on their methodology it proved out what I said.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

That is one report and basewd on their methodology it proved out what I said.

That’s not a limitation of the dataset?

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Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?

Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/

Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked

Pomona has a higher rate of consultants than Williams? That's really surprising and not talked about on this forum. I thought Pomona students were more like Swarthmore and academic?!

Very similar rates. CMC is tops when it comes to SLACs.

I didn't say they weren't. It's surprising Pomona and Williams even have comparable rates.

Pomona has people interested in consulting but not as many interested in IB

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because that is the last time that PeakFrameworks updated their ranking. Nothing has changed in the past two years.

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Swarthmore.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because that is the last time that PeakFrameworks updated their ranking. Nothing has changed in the past two years.

It added nothing to the discussion

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oh sweet jesus who cares about these little lacs!

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because that is the last time that PeakFrameworks updated their ranking. Nothing has changed in the past two years.

It added nothing to the discussion

I would say that it added additional confirmatory information that for IB and Consulting there are a half-dozen top SLACs which place extremely well. It also highlighted that for these types of positions Middlebury has risen to the point where it is as strong as any SLAC. Finally it highlights the fact that for kids shooting for careers in these fields the top SLACs also place as well (or better than) as many of the Ivy+ schools.

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Anonymous wrote:oh sweet jesus who cares about these little lacs!

People looking for a career in IB or Consulting should absolutely care as some of these schools are stunningly successful in those spaces. They all happen to excel in placement into top grad schools, top law schools, and top Med schools as well. So I guess that any high performing kid looking for a high paying career outside of CS and engineering should have the top SLACs on their lists.

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Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?

Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/

Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked

Pomona has a higher rate of consultants than Williams? That's really surprising and not talked about on this forum. I thought Pomona students were more like Swarthmore and academic?!

Very similar rates. CMC is tops when it comes to SLACs.

I didn't say they weren't. It's surprising Pomona and Williams even have comparable rates.

here’s the difference :

pomona is known for placing well in consulting

Williams is known for placing well in everything

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because that is the last time that PeakFrameworks updated their ranking. Nothing has changed in the past two years.

It added nothing to the discussion

I would say that it added additional confirmatory information that for IB and Consulting there are a half-dozen top SLACs which place extremely well. It also highlighted that for these types of positions Middlebury has risen to the point where it is as strong as any SLAC. Finally it highlights the fact that for kids shooting for careers in these fields the top SLACs also place as well (or better than) as many of the Ivy+ schools.

middlebury results are skewed by kids with family connections taking care of their own. Williams and Amherst grads can break in to banking without these connections - huge difference

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Anonymous wrote:How would you evaluate Wall Street or Consulting outcomes for athletes at Colgate/Lehigh/Bucknell vs Williams/Middlebury/Amherst. My take was that the 3 Nescacs have significantly better outcomes, but DC had very impressive overnite visits at Patriot League schools and big selling point was alumni connections to land jobs. Does Williams (and Amherst) really provide that much better alumni help?

Here's some data for top consulting firms: https://www.collegetransitions.com/blog/from-college-to-consulting/

Top feeders to consulting industry (college: consulting rate per 1,000 grads):
Williams: 11.43
Middlebury: 8.66
Lehigh: 5.79
Amherst: 4.79
Bucknell: 2.52
Colgate: Not ranked

Pomona has a higher rate of consultants than Williams? That's really surprising and not talked about on this forum. I thought Pomona students were more like Swarthmore and academic?!

Very similar rates. CMC is tops when it comes to SLACs.

I didn't say they weren't. It's surprising Pomona and Williams even have comparable rates.

here’s the difference :

pomona is known for placing well in consulting

Williams is known for placing well in everything

I'm not really sure what this means, or why we'd care. I was just surprised because, as stated, Pomona is known to be academic not pre-professional.