Kids becoming Firefighters and Cops

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Firefighter pay is pretty variable, but if you live in an area where firefighters are well paid, don't pretend it's not true.

I know some Cal Fire, Orange County, and Ventura County firefighters. Average is about $250k with modest OT. OT is part of the gig. But it's not like OT in other fields where you don't see your family. It's OT within the bracket of your assigned shift, just part of the lifestyle.

The outliers that "take every OT shift" are making near $400k or more. The guys at $250k are the average, responsible family guys.

https://lbpost.com/news/firefighters-400k-salary-overtime-long-beach/

being a firefighter in california is no joke and can be a very dangerous line of work. its not the building fires. its the wildfires.

You’re right it’s no joke and actually they have multiple prisoners… Prisoners that worked the wildfires

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Anonymous wrote:Don't think I have ever heard of a kid on here who wants or is a cop or firefighter.

Found out recently that brother in law, a FDNY member of 20 years, brings in 240k a year.

Back then, less went to college but now the academies for both FDNY and NYPD require some college credits.

Why aren't more parents encouraging these careers as well, along with the usual talk on trades given the rise of AI for white collar job risks. Understand it could be a dangerous job but guaranteed employment, excellent benefits and pension, location mobility, and high salary in areas like NYC.

Well their parents probably don't need to be on the college thread. They're researching police academies.

Why would you assume the newer generations of law enforcement don’t have college degrees?

Most do not.

Frankly, it should be a requirement. Half of these cops don't belong on the street.

I retired from law enforcement and have a law degree. Many of my colleagues had advanced degrees of various types. You speak from ignorance.

Most law enforcement officers do NOT have any college education much less a degree.

Source?

"A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees."
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/

And that's 8 years ago, so those shares have almost certainly increased.

Hmm.

Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Scary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't think I have ever heard of a kid on here who wants or is a cop or firefighter.

Found out recently that brother in law, a FDNY member of 20 years, brings in 240k a year.

Back then, less went to college but now the academies for both FDNY and NYPD require some college credits.

Why aren't more parents encouraging these careers as well, along with the usual talk on trades given the rise of AI for white collar job risks. Understand it could be a dangerous job but guaranteed employment, excellent benefits and pension, location mobility, and high salary in areas like NYC.

Well their parents probably don't need to be on the college thread. They're researching police academies.

Why would you assume the newer generations of law enforcement don’t have college degrees?

Most do not.

Frankly, it should be a requirement. Half of these cops don't belong on the street.

I retired from law enforcement and have a law degree. Many of my colleagues had advanced degrees of various types. You speak from ignorance.

Most law enforcement officers do NOT have any college education much less a degree.

Source?

"A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees."
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/

And that's 8 years ago, so those shares have almost certainly increased.

Hmm.

Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Scary.

Do you think that there are no educated people who are racist? Odd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't think I have ever heard of a kid on here who wants or is a cop or firefighter.

Found out recently that brother in law, a FDNY member of 20 years, brings in 240k a year.

Back then, less went to college but now the academies for both FDNY and NYPD require some college credits.

Why aren't more parents encouraging these careers as well, along with the usual talk on trades given the rise of AI for white collar job risks. Understand it could be a dangerous job but guaranteed employment, excellent benefits and pension, location mobility, and high salary in areas like NYC.

Well their parents probably don't need to be on the college thread. They're researching police academies.

Why would you assume the newer generations of law enforcement don’t have college degrees?

Most do not.

Frankly, it should be a requirement. Half of these cops don't belong on the street.

I retired from law enforcement and have a law degree. Many of my colleagues had advanced degrees of various types. You speak from ignorance.

Most law enforcement officers do NOT have any college education much less a degree.

Source?

"A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees."
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/

And that's 8 years ago, so those shares have almost certainly increased.

Hmm.

Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Scary.

Do you think that there are no educated people who are racist? Odd.

Are you one of them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread in a college forum?

Genuinely no idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't think I have ever heard of a kid on here who wants or is a cop or firefighter.

Found out recently that brother in law, a FDNY member of 20 years, brings in 240k a year.

Back then, less went to college but now the academies for both FDNY and NYPD require some college credits.

Why aren't more parents encouraging these careers as well, along with the usual talk on trades given the rise of AI for white collar job risks. Understand it could be a dangerous job but guaranteed employment, excellent benefits and pension, location mobility, and high salary in areas like NYC.

Well their parents probably don't need to be on the college thread. They're researching police academies.

Why would you assume the newer generations of law enforcement don’t have college degrees?

Most do not.

Frankly, it should be a requirement. Half of these cops don't belong on the street.

I retired from law enforcement and have a law degree. Many of my colleagues had advanced degrees of various types. You speak from ignorance.

Most law enforcement officers do NOT have any college education much less a degree.

Source?

"A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees."
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/

And that's 8 years ago, so those shares have almost certainly increased.

Hmm.

Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Scary.

Do you think that there are no educated people who are racist? Odd.

Are you one of them?

I’m racist against DCUM trolls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread in a college forum?

Cops and firefighters have college degrees

Cops and firefighters get Bachelors and Masters degrees while on the job

The current employment landscape for grads is bleak and these jobs are worth investigating

Jobs like these offer PSLF

In many cases a college degree increases your starting salary in these jobs

More educated younger officers benefits society

Starting salaries locally exceed other first jobs out of college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread in a college forum?

Cops and firefighters have college degrees

Cops and firefighters get Bachelors and Masters degrees while on the job

The current employment landscape for grads is bleak and these jobs are worth investigating

Jobs like these offer PSLF

In many cases a college degree increases your starting salary in these jobs

More educated younger officers benefits society

Starting salaries locally exceed other first jobs out of college

Nah. Jobs and Careers forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And there’s no way unless you have family and law-enforcement, you understand the realities.

This is a reply to my post. My son, nephew, sister and father are law enforcement. None have ever mentioned anything even remotely like your accusation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread in a college forum?

Cops and firefighters have college degrees

Cops and firefighters get Bachelors and Masters degrees while on the job

The current employment landscape for grads is bleak and these jobs are worth investigating

Jobs like these offer PSLF

In many cases a college degree increases your starting salary in these jobs

More educated younger officers benefits society

Starting salaries locally exceed other first jobs out of college

Nah. Jobs and Careers forum.

The OP put it here I don’t know what to tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Would a Black lesbian female police officer with a degree from a HBCU be a racist in whatever world you inhabit?

Side bar question, did you actually go to college?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't think I have ever heard of a kid on here who wants or is a cop or firefighter.

Found out recently that brother in law, a FDNY member of 20 years, brings in 240k a year.

Back then, less went to college but now the academies for both FDNY and NYPD require some college credits.

Why aren't more parents encouraging these careers as well, along with the usual talk on trades given the rise of AI for white collar job risks. Understand it could be a dangerous job but guaranteed employment, excellent benefits and pension, location mobility, and high salary in areas like NYC.

Well their parents probably don't need to be on the college thread. They're researching police academies.

Why would you assume the newer generations of law enforcement don’t have college degrees?

Most do not.

Frankly, it should be a requirement. Half of these cops don't belong on the street.

I retired from law enforcement and have a law degree. Many of my colleagues had advanced degrees of various types. You speak from ignorance.

Most law enforcement officers do NOT have any college education much less a degree.

Source?

"A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees."
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/

And that's 8 years ago, so those shares have almost certainly increased.

Hmm.

Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Scary.

Do you think that there are no educated people who are racist? Odd.

Cops are educated by experience with minorities and that's what makes them "racist" if they weren't before.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't think I have ever heard of a kid on here who wants or is a cop or firefighter.

Found out recently that brother in law, a FDNY member of 20 years, brings in 240k a year.

Back then, less went to college but now the academies for both FDNY and NYPD require some college credits.

Why aren't more parents encouraging these careers as well, along with the usual talk on trades given the rise of AI for white collar job risks. Understand it could be a dangerous job but guaranteed employment, excellent benefits and pension, location mobility, and high salary in areas like NYC.

Well their parents probably don't need to be on the college thread. They're researching police academies.

Why would you assume the newer generations of law enforcement don’t have college degrees?

Most do not.

Frankly, it should be a requirement. Half of these cops don't belong on the street.

I retired from law enforcement and have a law degree. Many of my colleagues had advanced degrees of various types. You speak from ignorance.

Most law enforcement officers do NOT have any college education much less a degree.

Source?

"A national survey of 958 police agencies, published in 2017, found that 30.2 percent of police officers had four-year college degrees, 51.8 percent had two-year degrees, and 5.4 percent had graduate degrees."
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/504075-college-for-cops-studies-show-it-helps-their-behavior-stress-levels/

And that's 8 years ago, so those shares have almost certainly increased.

Hmm.

Guess there are a lot of "educated" cops who are racist and abuse minorities.

Scary.

Do you think that there are no educated people who are racist? Odd.

Cops are educated by experience with minorities and that's what makes them "racist" if they weren't before.

The minority being cops and they're gang mindset https://lapublicpress.org/2024/01/villanueva-deputy-gang-promotion/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this thread in a college forum?

Cops and firefighters have college degrees

Cops and firefighters get Bachelors and Masters degrees while on the job

The current employment landscape for grads is bleak and these jobs are worth investigating

Jobs like these offer PSLF

In many cases a college degree increases your starting salary in these jobs

More educated younger officers benefits society

Starting salaries locally exceed other first jobs out of college

My federal agency law enforcement colleagues had MD, DDS, PhD, lots of JDs, and plenty of Masters degrees of different types. Around 50% of the 1811 series employees had advanced degrees of one kind of another; the rest all had bachelors'.

[Anonymous]

Many colleges and universities accept police academy certification as transfer credits. Some academies translate to 36 college credits toward an associates or bachelor’s degree.

UVA offers the National Criminal Justice Command College. Completion of the 10 week course equates to 15 undergraduate credits or 15 graduate level credits.

https://www.scps.virginia.edu/programs/national-criminal-justice-command-college#:~:text=Upon%20completion%2C%20NCJCC%20graduates%20will,or%2015%20graduate%2Dlevel%20credits.

As people advance in their law enforcement career they can apply to the Center for Homeland Defense and Security for a fully funded M.A. in Homeland Security awarded by the Naval Postgraduate School. It’s a hybrid program that requires 2 week in person blocks every quarter. For people in our area they fulfill that commitment at the Bolger Center in Potomac, MD.

https://www.chds.us/c/academic-programs/masters/