Has the fall off of MCPS been as bad as people say?

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly amazing the bubble we live in here in Montgomery County when people can say the school system is "bad". Have you people never lived anywhere else in the country? Even if things were to truly crater here it would still be a better education than like 90% of the country.

I think the issue is that folks are remembering THEIR high school experience, typically in an UMC highly segregated suburb of a Midwestern city. So, because this was pre social media, they knew less about what was going on even in the school they attended, AND their own experience was heavily curated/cloistered and they can't understand why they can't afford such a rarefied experience for their own kids so they blame MCPS.

The actual factors are much deeper, rising income inequality, college debt, international competition that is raising the stakes for college admissions, and overall rising poverty in the United States.

Yes, always blame someone or something else. I went to school in PG county which was as good as today’s MCPS

lol trying to put PG down? PG is an amazing school system.

Absolutely not. PGPS has improved compared to when I was growing up. MCPS back then was light years ahead of PGPS. MCPS has declined so much now I don’t think it’s that much better than PGPS.

LOL.
MCPS is still the top dog in the area and years ahead of PGCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly amazing the bubble we live in here in Montgomery County when people can say the school system is "bad". Have you people never lived anywhere else in the country? Even if things were to truly crater here it would still be a better education than like 90% of the country.

I think the issue is that folks are remembering THEIR high school experience, typically in an UMC highly segregated suburb of a Midwestern city. So, because this was pre social media, they knew less about what was going on even in the school they attended, AND their own experience was heavily curated/cloistered and they can't understand why they can't afford such a rarefied experience for their own kids so they blame MCPS.

The actual factors are much deeper, rising income inequality, college debt, international competition that is raising the stakes for college admissions, and overall rising poverty in the United States.

Yes, always blame someone or something else. I went to school in PG county which was as good as today’s MCPS

lol trying to put PG down? PG is an amazing school system.

Absolutely not. PGPS has improved compared to when I was growing up. MCPS back then was light years ahead of PGPS. MCPS has declined so much now I don’t think it’s that much better than PGPS.

LOL.
MCPS is still the top dog in the area and years ahead of PGCPS.

Top dog claim was never challenged in the past. Last decade or so it’s challenged by just about every school district rightfully so

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly amazing the bubble we live in here in Montgomery County when people can say the school system is "bad". Have you people never lived anywhere else in the country? Even if things were to truly crater here it would still be a better education than like 90% of the country.

I think the issue is that folks are remembering THEIR high school experience, typically in an UMC highly segregated suburb of a Midwestern city. So, because this was pre social media, they knew less about what was going on even in the school they attended, AND their own experience was heavily curated/cloistered and they can't understand why they can't afford such a rarefied experience for their own kids so they blame MCPS.

The actual factors are much deeper, rising income inequality, college debt, international competition that is raising the stakes for college admissions, and overall rising poverty in the United States.

Yes, always blame someone or something else. I went to school in PG county which was as good as today’s MCPS

lol trying to put PG down? PG is an amazing school system.

Absolutely not. PGPS has improved compared to when I was growing up. MCPS back then was light years ahead of PGPS. MCPS has declined so much now I don’t think it’s that much better than PGPS.

PG has also improved in that time, though. Which is good for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:It's truly amazing the bubble we live in here in Montgomery County when people can say the school system is "bad". Have you people never lived anywhere else in the country? Even if things were to truly crater here it would still be a better education than like 90% of the country.

I think the issue is that folks are remembering THEIR high school experience, typically in an UMC highly segregated suburb of a Midwestern city. So, because this was pre social media, they knew less about what was going on even in the school they attended, AND their own experience was heavily curated/cloistered and they can't understand why they can't afford such a rarefied experience for their own kids so they blame MCPS.

The actual factors are much deeper, rising income inequality, college debt, international competition that is raising the stakes for college admissions, and overall rising poverty in the United States.

Yes, always blame someone or something else. I went to school in PG county which was as good as today’s MCPS

lol trying to put PG down? PG is an amazing school system.

Absolutely not. PGPS has improved compared to when I was growing up. MCPS back then was light years ahead of PGPS. MCPS has declined so much now I don’t think it’s that much better than PGPS.

LOL.
MCPS is still the top dog in the area and years ahead of PGCPS.

Top dog claim was never challenged in the past. Last decade or so it’s challenged by just about every school district rightfully so

Yes, challenged by every school district and private schools, but they all failed miserably.

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I can only speak of where my kids went...but when we moved to G-burg in the 90's it was a fairly good school with grad rates and college matriculations rates in the 90s. Today the grad rate is 80% and proficiency rates are less than 50...so something changed for the worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak of where my kids went...but when we moved to G-burg in the 90's it was a fairly good school with grad rates and college matriculations rates in the 90s. Today the grad rate is 80% and proficiency rates are less than 50...so something changed for the worse.

That can also partly be attributed to numbers - vastly more students attend MoCo schools now than they did 30 yrs ago

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Anonymous wrote:I can only speak of where my kids went...but when we moved to G-burg in the 90's it was a fairly good school with grad rates and college matriculations rates in the 90s. Today the grad rate is 80% and proficiency rates are less than 50...so something changed for the worse.

Yeah I agree. But tax has gone up. Two indicators going opposite directions.

[Anonymous]

Public education as a whole has gone downhill. We are almost 25 years into No Child Left Behind. It is fundamentally flawed as it rewards short cuts, doesn’t encourage real learning (don’t think just check box on test), and has eliminated viable alternative paths such as trade programs.

Not everyone needs to go to college; most people don’t thrive in a pressure cooker test taking environment; and yes - now we “pass” students along to meet regulations ($$$$) instead of truly helping them comprehend subject matter. Common core is boring and sucks the joy out of learning.

As an employer, it is noticeable that this younger generation can’t think for themselves. No problem solving, creativity; it’s just box checking at work, in life…don’t like something, cancelled…

As a parent of a Gen Alpha, I’m truly concerned about what they are going to be like in the workplace. We are going to need to stock Ritalin in breakrooms next to the Keurig.

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Anonymous wrote:Public education as a whole has gone downhill. We are almost 25 years into No Child Left Behind. It is fundamentally flawed as it rewards short cuts, doesn’t encourage real learning (don’t think just check box on test), and has eliminated viable alternative paths such as trade programs.

Not everyone needs to go to college; most people don’t thrive in a pressure cooker test taking environment; and yes - now we “pass” students along to meet regulations ($$$$) instead of truly helping them comprehend subject matter. Common core is boring and sucks the joy out of learning.

As an employer, it is noticeable that this younger generation can’t think for themselves. No problem solving, creativity; it’s just box checking at work, in life…don’t like something, cancelled…

As a parent of a Gen Alpha, I’m truly concerned about what they are going to be like in the workplace. We are going to need to stock Ritalin in breakrooms next to the Keurig.

No Child left Behind was replaced in 2015 by the Every Student Succeeds Act, which reversed many of the mandates of the original act

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of people in here have very long drawn out and downright creative ways of saying they are afraid of black and brown kids associating with their precious angels

It's actually Brown and Black families who are leaving the county too. So the ones left are the more lower income ones and bringing down the numbers for those groups.

We first started hearing rumblings of how the schools in a predominantly Brown/Black neighborhood were not going to give homework anymore because it put unfair burden on parents who had to work long hours and did not have time to help their kids with homework. This was several years before the pandemic. During the pandemic was when we started to see the no homework policy more widespread.

I've said it before but I'm not convinced that when looking back, people will look at what MCPS is doing as racist agendas and policies. Where they purposely try to limit the ceiling for students, so that higher level education is not even possible for them. Higher level education was always the ticket to a higher income and better life for families. Higher SES (which usually correlates with race) have ways to work around these MCPS policies and initiatives.

Lies

Nope. First hand experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of people in here have very long drawn out and downright creative ways of saying they are afraid of black and brown kids associating with their precious angels

It's actually Brown and Black families who are leaving the county too. So the ones left are the more lower income ones and bringing down the numbers for those groups.

We first started hearing rumblings of how the schools in a predominantly Brown/Black neighborhood were not going to give homework anymore because it put unfair burden on parents who had to work long hours and did not have time to help their kids with homework. This was several years before the pandemic. During the pandemic was when we started to see the no homework policy more widespread.

I've said it before but I'm not convinced that when looking back, people will look at what MCPS is doing as racist agendas and policies. Where they purposely try to limit the ceiling for students, so that higher level education is not even possible for them. Higher level education was always the ticket to a higher income and better life for families. Higher SES (which usually correlates with race) have ways to work around these MCPS policies and initiatives.

Lies

Nope. First hand experience.

Just because you know one family doesn't mean "It's actually Brown and Black families who are leaving the county". It's completely false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think so. I think there are posters here who hate MCPS and it’s very hard to sift wheat from chaff on these topics. Admittedly my kid finished up a couple years ago but we were happy.

Trying to buttress falling property values, eh?

We left in 2019. Started in 2011. MCPS was never as good as its press - but wheels started coming off with Starr.

I can only imagine what horror show is like now - especially for SpecEd kids….

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If they have mottos like every student succeeds why don't they have any focus on teachers succeeding as they have made financial sacrifices, family time cuts due to massive work hours, hours off their lives as stress leads to cancer, and have joined a profession that is notoriously dangerous, underpaid, unhealthy, corrupt, and mismanaged. Oh yeah- finally tons of wrongful termination in the ed sector

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of people in here have very long drawn out and downright creative ways of saying they are afraid of black and brown kids associating with their precious angels

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It's actually Brown and Black families who are leaving the county too. So the ones left are the more lower income ones and bringing down the numbers for those groups.

We first started hearing rumblings of how the schools in a predominantly Brown/Black neighborhood were not going to give homework anymore because it put unfair burden on parents who had to work long hours and did not have time to help their kids with homework. This was several years before the pandemic. During the pandemic was when we started to see the no homework policy more widespread.

I've said it before but I'm not convinced that when looking back, people will look at what MCPS is doing as racist agendas and policies. Where they purposely try to limit the ceiling for students, so that higher level education is not even possible for them. Higher level education was always the ticket to a higher income and better life for families. Higher SES (which usually correlates with race) have ways to work around these MCPS policies and initiatives.

I've been doing travel basketball. It was quite refreshing to see parents trying to do the best for their kids. Doing basically the same thing I am. Frustrated with public schools but paying the same amount in taxes as people in other parts of the county. Trying to create an environment for their kids, and environment where they aren't exposed to some of the rough edges. Though, at some point there were definitely some behaviors that just didn't mesh with what I am doing with my kids and there was definitely a different learning curve as well as a certain racial cliquishness. EG "Here we go again, they aren't going to run the plays the coach drew up and they are only going to pass to their friends, again."

What's a parent to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they have mottos like every student succeeds why don't they have any focus on teachers succeeding as they have made financial sacrifices, family time cuts due to massive work hours, hours off their lives as stress leads to cancer, and have joined a profession that is notoriously dangerous, underpaid, unhealthy, corrupt, and mismanaged. Oh yeah- finally tons of wrongful termination in the ed sector

You do realize lots of professions are underpaid. Teachers who've been there for years make decent money and a two teacher family does ewll.