Amherst v Pomona

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Anonymous wrote:Neither. Liberal arts colleges aren’t worth the money. People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy.


Seems you’re the one gas lighting. Amherst is a great campus with well maintained buildings with mix of new and old and new ones being built. Lots of open space and trails too.

Compare it to an ivy or any top 30 university and it looks like a dump. We get that you need to justify your trash choice of college, but the rest of us don’t need to follow. It’s like talking to jehovah witnesses.


So you can’t continue to same line of thought and need to change the argument

Argument hasn’t changed, but your ability to reply with a coherent comment has.


You’ve lost it. No point in continuing discussion with someone who’s isn’t all there

Nope. Answer the point and stop being a little baby.
People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy. That was the statement. I haven’t changed it or moved it.


You’re the only one who thinks you have a “point”

Yep, won’t answer. Reporting for trolling and clogging the thread. People like you ruin DCUM for everyone.


Why would anyone answer a poster with an axe to grind. It’s not like answering is going to change the mind of a narrow minded person who refuses to be rational

You cannot answer questions and have continued using extremist rhetoric instead of just being honest that you don’t know what you’re talking about or pretending that you can’t answer.

I have asked basic questions, and you’ve continued acting out. I dont wanna hear about “ax to grind” when you ran through assumptions in order to avoid discussing. Thank you. Reported.
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Anonymous wrote:Neither. Liberal arts colleges aren’t worth the money. People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy.


Seems you’re the one gas lighting. Amherst is a great campus with well maintained buildings with mix of new and old and new ones being built. Lots of open space and trails too.

Compare it to an ivy or any top 30 university and it looks like a dump. We get that you need to justify your trash choice of college, but the rest of us don’t need to follow. It’s like talking to jehovah witnesses.


So you can’t continue to same line of thought and need to change the argument

Argument hasn’t changed, but your ability to reply with a coherent comment has.


You’ve lost it. No point in continuing discussion with someone who’s isn’t all there

Nope. Answer the point and stop being a little baby.
People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy. That was the statement. I haven’t changed it or moved it.


You’re the only one who thinks you have a “point”

Yep, won’t answer. Reporting for trolling and clogging the thread. People like you ruin DCUM for everyone.


Why would anyone answer a poster with an axe to grind. It’s not like answering is going to change the mind of a narrow minded person who refuses to be rational

If they’re so irrational, just stop talking.
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Anonymous wrote:Neither. Liberal arts colleges aren’t worth the money. People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy.


Seems you’re the one gas lighting. Amherst is a great campus with well maintained buildings with mix of new and old and new ones being built. Lots of open space and trails too.

Compare it to an ivy or any top 30 university and it looks like a dump. We get that you need to justify your trash choice of college, but the rest of us don’t need to follow. It’s like talking to jehovah witnesses.


So you can’t continue to same line of thought and need to change the argument

Argument hasn’t changed, but your ability to reply with a coherent comment has.


You’ve lost it. No point in continuing discussion with someone who’s isn’t all there

Nope. Answer the point and stop being a little baby.
People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy. That was the statement. I haven’t changed it or moved it.


You’re the only one who thinks you have a “point”

Yep, won’t answer. Reporting for trolling and clogging the thread. People like you ruin DCUM for everyone.


Why would anyone answer a poster with an axe to grind. It’s not like answering is going to change the mind of a narrow minded person who refuses to be rational

If they’re so irrational, just stop talking.


You first
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Anonymous wrote:Neither. Liberal arts colleges aren’t worth the money. People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy.


Seems you’re the one gas lighting. Amherst is a great campus with well maintained buildings with mix of new and old and new ones being built. Lots of open space and trails too.

Compare it to an ivy or any top 30 university and it looks like a dump. We get that you need to justify your trash choice of college, but the rest of us don’t need to follow. It’s like talking to jehovah witnesses.


So you can’t continue to same line of thought and need to change the argument

Argument hasn’t changed, but your ability to reply with a coherent comment has.


You’ve lost it. No point in continuing discussion with someone who’s isn’t all there

Nope. Answer the point and stop being a little baby.
People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy. That was the statement. I haven’t changed it or moved it.


You’re the only one who thinks you have a “point”

Yep, won’t answer. Reporting for trolling and clogging the thread. People like you ruin DCUM for everyone.


Why would anyone answer a poster with an axe to grind. It’s not like answering is going to change the mind of a narrow minded person who refuses to be rational

If they’re so irrational, just stop talking.


You first

Huh? I’m just giving advice. You seemed upset, and they’re irrational. DCUM has whackos.
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Anonymous wrote:Neither. Liberal arts colleges aren’t worth the money. People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy.


Seems you’re the one gas lighting. Amherst is a great campus with well maintained buildings with mix of new and old and new ones being built. Lots of open space and trails too.

Compare it to an ivy or any top 30 university and it looks like a dump. We get that you need to justify your trash choice of college, but the rest of us don’t need to follow. It’s like talking to jehovah witnesses.


So you can’t continue to same line of thought and need to change the argument

Argument hasn’t changed, but your ability to reply with a coherent comment has.


You’ve lost it. No point in continuing discussion with someone who’s isn’t all there

Nope. Answer the point and stop being a little baby.
People here are trying to actively gaslight the rest of us that we should pay $80k for dilapidated buildings because Amherst fancies their willy. That was the statement. I haven’t changed it or moved it.


You’re the only one who thinks you have a “point”

Yep, won’t answer. Reporting for trolling and clogging the thread. People like you ruin DCUM for everyone.


Why would anyone answer a poster with an axe to grind. It’s not like answering is going to change the mind of a narrow minded person who refuses to be rational

You cannot answer questions and have continued using extremist rhetoric instead of just being honest that you don’t know what you’re talking about or pretending that you can’t answer.

I have asked basic questions, and you’ve continued acting out. I dont wanna hear about “ax to grind” when you ran through assumptions in order to avoid discussing. Thank you. Reported.


Don’t know what you asked. There are so many crazies on here it’s hard to keep track
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Location really is the biggest difference. Otherwise they’re very similar.
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Anonymous wrote:Neither one is better, both are great schools. My kid attends one of them and picked it because it checked the boxes she was looking to check.

I got sucked into reading this thread because of my kid’s affiliation with the school and like all the other vague ‘school vs school’ threads am left wondering if OP is just trolling to get people riled up. If not, be more specific OP.

Same boat. This forum is "the narcissism of small differences" faithfully rendered in html and bad grammar.

Have fun, anti-Amherst, anti-Pomona, and anti-LAC trolls. Spending your time flaming particular schools or types of schools is no doubt a reflection of your blinding intelligence and robust mental health.



Ftw!



+1000
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Anonymous wrote:There were definitely years in 80s (ca. JFK jr) when Brown was a harder admit than Harvard but generally Harvard was the hardest admit. Don’t recall anyone ever claiming Amherst was a harder admit than either of them though.

it has not been uncommon for Amherst to have placed among the top few schools in the nation by selectivity. In 1980, for example, Amherst reported an SAT profile higher than that of Princeton. Further back, Amherst placed in the first tier by standardized scoring in this article, with Brown, for example, placing in the second tier:

https://books.google.com/books?id=ykQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=life+magazine+1960+college+admission+tufts+bowdoin&source=bl&ots=5BKi5WV8SQ&sig=GFl_LycVnJV8AGIXLX2P9kW97I0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sO1TT4uPK-jm0QG8ifC3DQ#v=onepage&q&f=false


it's interesting that occidental and denison are here but none of the claremont colleges are

Eh it’s one source- especially with liberal arts colleges, they tend to pick and choose around a bunch. It’s fun to see reed described as Harvard of the west


Educate yourself just a bit. With the exception of Pomona and Scripps the C5 were founded after WWII. Pitzer didn't even exist when this article was written.
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Anonymous wrote:They seem pretty different to me.

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You really can't see any difference?

This says A LOT! Wow! Thanks for sharing.

That Pomona needs to spend a lot more money on education rather than unnecessary accoutrements. Poor outcomes, poor decision to attend a no-name school so far out west.


The stupid runs strong in this one.
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Anonymous wrote:All I'll say is one is more notable than the other!
Pomona: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pomona_College_people
Amherst: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amherst_College_people


No question about it, people tend to impose own feeling or view based on self experience. But hard data is hard to discount.


Not really when you consider that Amherst is 300 years older than Pomona. Might want to normalize to the last 100 years and see what things look like.
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Anonymous wrote:I think Amherst needs to worry about Williams and Wellesley and Swarthmore and Middlebury and Bowdoin and Wesleyan and Hamilton and Tufts and Colgate and Smith and the rise of other Mass. schools like BC and Northeastern and Holy Cross, not to mention the Ivies.

Pomona needs to worry about nobody.

If the two schools were stocks, I know which one I would buy. (Having said that, sure, Amherst is still a solid investment.)

But the point is that the comparisons are not Amherst vs. Pomona. It’s Amherst vs. the usual suspects.

Pomona has the luxury of not needing to worry about such comparisons. Geography matters.


Agreed, Pomona is #1 in west, no rival even close, that gives great advantage. But not sure about stock analogy, Amherst stays on top 2 LAC for a reason ever since ranking began.


DH just blinked when DC suggested Pomona. He later said, "never heard of it, wouldn't stick out in a stack of CVs."


Says far more about your DH than it does about Pomona. And not in a good way.
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Neither school would be a good fit for my kids, so have no particular feelings about either. But it seems to me a lot of people are stuck in the world from 30/40 years ago. Generally, people seem to be really underestimating how much the world has moved on from old New England. The West Coast, the South, and even the Midwest have much more going on than New England. Amherst seems really ossified to me. And their attempts to modernize and diversify haven't really succeeded. From what I've read, Amherst's attempts have led to more silos - there are the athletes, their are the black kids, there are the first generation kids, there are the residual WASPs, and they don't interact at all. It's like a bad high school. The New Yorker had a good article about Amherst as a community a few years ago. It seems like an exhausting place to be.

But Pomona seems kind of tiresome too in a West Coast way. It's very unlikely a white or asian unhooked UMC kid from the burbs of DC or NY or Chicago would ever be admitted to begin with. Pomona is all in with their view of "diversity." The upside to Pomona is the consortium. I always envisioned it as five schools on a cul de sac. The Pomona student can take classes at Harvey Mudd or CMC, and I think that's really cool. If the only choices in the world were Pomona and Amherst, I would totally choose Pomona - because there are outlets to go elsewhere and enlarge your community and experiences.

I'm not anti-SLAC at all, but these are such tiny communities that I think going to either Amherst or Pomona is so risky for 18 year olds. But the Pomona consortium is better than the Amherst consortium. Plus, weather, which is no small thing from October to March.
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Anonymous wrote:People here are ignorant of the west coast, because they’re absolute brutish a$$holes, who need misery in their lives. West coast is lively for industries- tech, defense, sustainability, entertainment, lifestyle/wellness, art, Venture Capital/Fin tech, and Public Policy/American-Asian political opportunities. If you aren’t interested in those things, great, but don’t act as if it’s some unimportant region when California alone is fueling many other states with its returns.


Quite a bit of that is true but it also goes in the opposite direction. People on the West Coast, particularly in the Bay area are ignorant regarding SLACs and obsessed with CS. But as is often said IYKYK and there is no lack of SLAC representation on Sand Hill Rd, in SF Finance, or in the top ranks of FAANG management outside of engineering.
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Both are great schools and peers. In terms of selectivity, student body, faculty, and endowment, they are nearly identical. Both also feed as well into grad school as your average Ivy. David Foster Wallace attended Amherst but taught at Pomona.

Amherst is quintessential New England, feeds well into Wall Street, and feels smaller and more isolated than Pomona. The Five College Consortium is cool, but few Amherst students regularly take classes at the other schools and, when they do, it's usually at UMass. Like Williams, Amherst's vibe is a little more preprofessional and mainstream (a decade ago we would have said preppy).

Pomona is just outside LA, feeds well into FAANG, and the 5C is extremely integrated physically, academically, and socially. Like Swarthmore, Pomona's vibe is a little more academic and quirky.

The Venn diagram circles of people who have heard of Amherst and people of have heard of Pomona likely form a near perfect circle of overlap. If you attend one because that "it's better known than the other," you're probably at a cousin's graduation ceremony because nobody smart enough to get into either LAC would likely make that decision on such a dumb basis.
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Anonymous wrote:Neither school would be a good fit for my kids, so have no particular feelings about either. But it seems to me a lot of people are stuck in the world from 30/40 years ago. Generally, people seem to be really underestimating how much the world has moved on from old New England. The West Coast, the South, and even the Midwest have much more going on than New England. Amherst seems really ossified to me. And their attempts to modernize and diversify haven't really succeeded. From what I've read, Amherst's attempts have led to more silos - there are the athletes, their are the black kids, there are the first generation kids, there are the residual WASPs, and they don't interact at all. It's like a bad high school. The New Yorker had a good article about Amherst as a community a few years ago. It seems like an exhausting place to be.

But Pomona seems kind of tiresome too in a West Coast way. It's very unlikely a white or asian unhooked UMC kid from the burbs of DC or NY or Chicago would ever be admitted to begin with. Pomona is all in with their view of "diversity." The upside to Pomona is the consortium. I always envisioned it as five schools on a cul de sac. The Pomona student can take classes at Harvey Mudd or CMC, and I think that's really cool. If the only choices in the world were Pomona and Amherst, I would totally choose Pomona - because there are outlets to go elsewhere and enlarge your community and experiences.

I'm not anti-SLAC at all, but these are such tiny communities that I think going to either Amherst or Pomona is so risky for 18 year olds. But the Pomona consortium is better than the Amherst consortium. Plus, weather, which is no small thing from October to March.


Along that vein, the Ivie plus would also be “ossified.” Nothing my wrong with newish. Some prefer tradition mixed with change and adaptation.
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