Pitt Jolie FINALLY reach divorce settlement

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

If someone jumped on your back and kids got too close or tried to intervene on a bumpy ride, I’m sure your arms would be all over the place and someone would accidentally get hit. I suspect this is why the FBI and DCF didn’t press charges. She attacked him first.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prepping some of the kids ahead of time. “Your dad is mean to me, I fear him”, etc.

No she didn't. He had physical touched her and pushed her down before he went for one of the kids.

He may have just walked up to the kid and screamed at them. So she has no idea what he was going to do. And sometimes a kid deserves a spanking or a slap in the face (I.e., open hand).

I believe in spanking, but apparently, he was choking Maddox. That's abuse not discipline.

Only choking I found in FBI report was Jolie choking Pitt.

So you're cherry picking what parts to believe. Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

The misogyny in your post is overwhelming. Get therapy yourself. The amount of ire aimed at this woman is so typical.

It really irritates me when people cry misogyny whenever someone doesn’t like a particular woman.
If we’re gojng to rank people on likability in this whole Angelina drama, I’d say:
Dern > Anniston > Pitt > Jolie > Thornton.

I’d were ranking them by talent, I’d say:
Dern > Jolie > Pitt > Anniston > Thornton

Yers ago I would agree with you on Jolie being a good actress but based on some of her latest projects idk so she’s lost it. Just not good anymore.

Aniston was great in Cake and can do comedy.

I have not heard anything about Dern being nice (not saying she isn’t) but I know almost everyone in HW loves Jen. The year of her 50th birthday party she had more A listers attend than the Oscars.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

Yes, terrible behavior when drunk. What about once he was clean and therapists agreed he deserved 50-50 custody?

Therapist chosen by him and the judge that was dismissed for conflict of interests that he intentionally failed to disclose. Sure, you're right. I don't know of any reputable therapist that would agree to automatically say that an abusive parent should have fifty-fifty custody without any period of supervised visitation over a certain period of time for review. And this supposed therapist made this recommendation while dismissing the desires of the older children who were old enough at the time to provide their input and perspective. There's something that doesn't even begin to smell right.

The 50/50 was granted years after the plane. Kids should be over it by now.

No you don't "get over" trauma

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

If someone jumped on your back and kids got too close or tried to intervene on a bumpy ride, I’m sure your arms would be all over the place and someone would accidentally get hit. I suspect this is why the FBI and DCF didn’t press charges. She attacked him first.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prepping some of the kids ahead of time. “Your dad is mean to me, I fear him”, etc.

No she didn't. He had physical touched her and pushed her down before he went for one of the kids.

He may have just walked up to the kid and screamed at them. So she has no idea what he was going to do. And sometimes a kid deserves a spanking or a slap in the face (I.e., open hand).

I believe in spanking, but apparently, he was choking Maddox. That's abuse not discipline.

Only choking I found in FBI report was Jolie choking Pitt.

So you're cherry picking what parts to believe. Sure.

Do you have the report where it says he choked him? Link please.

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Anonymous wrote:They have been divorced. They fight was about money and custody and a bunch of the kids are adults. She is horrible to refuse contact.

Hes horrible for being abusive. She's right for listening to them and protecting them.

He wasn’t abusive to the kids therefore he should have been allowed to see them

Another colossal moron who thinks it isn’t abusive to children to physically and psychologically abuse their mother in front of them.

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Anonymous wrote:They have been divorced. They fight was about money and custody and a bunch of the kids are adults. She is horrible to refuse contact.

Hes horrible for being abusive. She's right for listening to them and protecting them.

He wasn’t abusive to the kids therefore he should have been allowed to see them

Another colossal moron who thinks it isn’t abusive to children to physically and psychologically abuse their mother in front of them.

She abused him as well. So I guess neither is fit to parent. Imagine the damage done to those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I may have missed something but is there evidence that he was physically abusive before the plane incident?

My uneducated take on it is that they were both emotionally abusive to each other, because they were a terrible match that initially thrived on hot chemistry and drama which then evolved into just drama and resentment. She’s type A and controlling and he avoids conflict by smoking pot and drinking. (That seems to track with me on the Anniston thing, where his leaving her seemed to take her very much by surprise — the marriage wasn’t good but he was too conflict avoidant to tell her that and instead just had an affair and sort of ghosted her.)

I think he comes off a little better in the public eye because people like a conflict avoiding people pleaser better than they like a type A control freak. At the end of the day I wouldn’t want to be married to either of them but if I had to just have dinner with one of them, I’d pick him. She just seems exhausting with a bit of a mean edge.

People just hate women. See the threads on Blake and Gisele as good examples of that

Nah. I don't hate women. But I strongly dislike her.

+1 her behavior screams narcissist, which is surely why she has so few female friends. And obviously lacks empathy for other women, whether Laura Dern or Jennifer Aniston. Worst of all, she showed little regard for her kids having a stable and healthy upbringing but dragged them around the world according to her whims. Very selfish person.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

Here's the quote: “The kids have grown up seeing that some people have so much power and privilege that their voices don’t matter. Their pain doesn’t count,” a source close to the matter shares with Us Weekly.

A good mother would have helped them get past one terrible day eight years ago. Kids are resilient and would have been okay if she encouraged reunification, explaining he was sick but is better now and loved them very much. She wanted them to stew in it because it served her purposes. I can't think of much more horrible parenting than that. Unless there is somehow more to it than that, but I think Wasser would have continued to help her if she felt she was in the right.

It wasn't just one day. That has been made abundantly clear

She herself said she left him the minute he became abusive toward the kids. So that was one day. If you're talking about the alcoholism, sure, but look how well Ben Affleck's kids are doing. Why? Because of parents committed to co-parenting peacefully and putting them first.

If she talks about her/their suffering so much publicly, can you imagine how much shes does privately? Those kids never had a chance.

As the middle aged adult daughter of an abusive alcoholic father, i speak from experience and much observation from decades working in advocacy in both family and criminal courts that kids raised by immature parents with substance use disorder and abusive behavior in their roles as spouse and parent will all face lifelong challenges of one sort or another - no one emerges entirely unscathed and some are far more damaged than others, depending on the temperament of the child and other influences in their childhood and adulthood.

I don’t think Jolie is without blame but I laud her for standing up for her kids and for setting the example of standing up for herself. I suspect she gets far more negative response than she deserves - those kids had choices and they are choosing to stay away from Brad and that says something more to me than it’s all Jolie’s fault. The one time my mother spoke of possibly leaving my father, I immediately replied with encouragement and asking that I not have to visit him after the separation.

What happened on that plane didn’t come out of nowhere. Brad Pitt is not a good guy. I’d happily watch anything Jolie is in, but for years now I avoid Pitt films just like I do Cruise and Gibson and Eastwood films. I’d rather save my diminishing time for artists who aren’t abusers.

+1 I was team Brad in the beginning but as more and more have come I've completely shifted my opinion. I understand why the kids are combative and I am shocked one of them haven't gone on live or youtube to obliviate his side. I am a strong believer that being blood related doesn't mean you're obligated to a relationship with someone. This is a decision I stand firmly in their corner for.

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Anonymous wrote:They have been divorced. They fight was about money and custody and a bunch of the kids are adults. She is horrible to refuse contact.

Adults you say, and they still do not want anything to do with him. Speaks volumes.

They were brainwashed.

Of course they were, because children have no thoughts, feelings, opinions, agency of their own. Really people, have you never been a child yourself. THINK

Right here is another issue i have trouble wrapping my mind around. Other people don't think children and teens have their own autonomy and that's wild. Why are we acting as if they are mindless robots who don't have eyes or ears.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

Here's the quote: “The kids have grown up seeing that some people have so much power and privilege that their voices don’t matter. Their pain doesn’t count,” a source close to the matter shares with Us Weekly.

A good mother would have helped them get past one terrible day eight years ago. Kids are resilient and would have been okay if she encouraged reunification, explaining he was sick but is better now and loved them very much. She wanted them to stew in it because it served her purposes. I can't think of much more horrible parenting than that. Unless there is somehow more to it than that, but I think Wasser would have continued to help her if she felt she was in the right.

It wasn't just one day. That has been made abundantly clear

She herself said she left him the minute he became abusive toward the kids. So that was one day. If you're talking about the alcoholism, sure, but look how well Ben Affleck's kids are doing. Why? Because of parents committed to co-parenting peacefully and putting them first.

If she talks about her/their suffering so much publicly, can you imagine how much shes does privately? Those kids never had a chance.

As the middle aged adult daughter of an abusive alcoholic father, i speak from experience and much observation from decades working in advocacy in both family and criminal courts that kids raised by immature parents with substance use disorder and abusive behavior in their roles as spouse and parent will all face lifelong challenges of one sort or another - no one emerges entirely unscathed and some are far more damaged than others, depending on the temperament of the child and other influences in their childhood and adulthood.

I don’t think Jolie is without blame but I laud her for standing up for her kids and for setting the example of standing up for herself. I suspect she gets far more negative response than she deserves - those kids had choices and they are choosing to stay away from Brad and that says something more to me than it’s all Jolie’s fault. The one time my mother spoke of possibly leaving my father, I immediately replied with encouragement and asking that I not have to visit him after the separation.

What happened on that plane didn’t come out of nowhere. Brad Pitt is not a good guy. I’d happily watch anything Jolie is in, but for years now I avoid Pitt films just like I do Cruise and Gibson and Eastwood films. I’d rather save my diminishing time for artists who aren’t abusers.

+1 I was team Brad in the beginning but as more and more have come I've completely shifted my opinion. I understand why the kids are combative and I am shocked one of them haven't gone on live or youtube to obliviate his side. I am a strong believer that being blood related doesn't mean you're obligated to a relationship with someone. This is a decision I stand firmly in their corner for.

Maybe they are quiet because it doesn’t support what mommy has been saying. Or maybe their story makes both of them look bad. You would think by now they would have talked to friends about it and one of them would have spilled the beans.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

If someone jumped on your back and kids got too close or tried to intervene on a bumpy ride, I’m sure your arms would be all over the place and someone would accidentally get hit. I suspect this is why the FBI and DCF didn’t press charges. She attacked him first.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prepping some of the kids ahead of time. “Your dad is mean to me, I fear him”, etc.

Oh, you know she did. She talks constantly to the world about her pain and suffering and how awful he was. You think she didn’t do the same at home?

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

If someone jumped on your back and kids got too close or tried to intervene on a bumpy ride, I’m sure your arms would be all over the place and someone would accidentally get hit. I suspect this is why the FBI and DCF didn’t press charges. She attacked him first.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prepping some of the kids ahead of time. “Your dad is mean to me, I fear him”, etc.

No she didn't. He had physical touched her and pushed her down before he went for one of the kids.

He may have just walked up to the kid and screamed at them. So she has no idea what he was going to do. And sometimes a kid deserves a spanking or a slap in the face (I.e., open hand).

I believe in spanking, but apparently, he was choking Maddox. That's abuse not discipline.

Only choking I found in FBI report was Jolie choking Pitt.

So you're cherry picking what parts to believe. Sure.

LA Times
“Jolie filed for divorce from Pitt on Sept. 20, 2016. Three days later, The Times reported that Los Angeles County’s DCFS was investigating an alleged in-flight physical altercation between Pitt and son Maddox Jolie-Pitt, then 15. No punching or hitting was reported.”

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

If someone jumped on your back and kids got too close or tried to intervene on a bumpy ride, I’m sure your arms would be all over the place and someone would accidentally get hit. I suspect this is why the FBI and DCF didn’t press charges. She attacked him first.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prepping some of the kids ahead of time. “Your dad is mean to me, I fear him”, etc.

Oh, you know she did. She talks constantly to the world about her pain and suffering and how awful he was. You think she didn’t do the same at home?

Both of you are being disgustingly dismissive of their children’s intelligence.

I KNEW BY AGE THREE WHICH OF MY PARENTS WAS THE PRIMARY ABUSER AND WHICH WAS ENGAGING IN SELF DEFENSE.

CHILDREN ARE NOT STUPID. CHILDREN KNOW.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

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He tried to hit the children.

If someone jumped on your back and kids got too close or tried to intervene on a bumpy ride, I’m sure your arms would be all over the place and someone would accidentally get hit. I suspect this is why the FBI and DCF didn’t press charges. She attacked him first.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she was prepping some of the kids ahead of time. “Your dad is mean to me, I fear him”, etc.

No she didn't. He had physical touched her and pushed her down before he went for one of the kids.

He may have just walked up to the kid and screamed at them. So she has no idea what he was going to do. And sometimes a kid deserves a spanking or a slap in the face (I.e., open hand).

I believe in spanking, but apparently, he was choking Maddox. That's abuse not discipline.

Only choking I found in FBI report was Jolie choking Pitt.

So you're cherry picking what parts to believe. Sure.

LA Times
“Jolie filed for divorce from Pitt on Sept. 20, 2016. Three days later, The Times reported that Los Angeles County’s DCFS was investigating an alleged in-flight physical altercation between Pitt and son Maddox Jolie-Pitt, then 15. No punching or hitting was reported.”

From his sources which we know was untrue due to the fbi report dummy

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Anonymous wrote:I think he made a tactical error in not making a very generous financial settlement, very quickly. Things surely would have gone more smoothly if he had, and the chateau sale could have been part of it. It smacks of egotism and control. She's the mother of his six children and he should have been very generous. Just on principle, let alone his gross behavior on the plane.

What does wanting a big lump sum payout say about someone? Did she want money or justice?

I'm not saying she's an angel, far from it. But she was entitled to a huge sum for division of property and child support for six kids over 8 years, and it does seem like he withheld it to punish her for leaving and publicly embarrassing him. And she retaliated by withholding the kids, even when it seemed reasonable he was healthy and ready to co-parent. They both suck.

What kind of mother does this?

I'm sure she rationalized it to herself--he's an awful father and person, the kids were better off with her etc. Like most narcissists do.

I was a little shocked when she had a member of her team basically admit she's been brainwashing the kids to think they had no voice because their father has privilege and power. What? The kids worked with court-appointed therapists, who represented their perspectives in custody proceedings. Only a sadistic mother would want to put her kids through testifying in court. Four are now adults and are free to speak out at any time. At least three seem to have dropped his name, out of loyalty to their mother not because he's been a terrible father as far as we can see. There is no evidence to suggest he deserved to have his parental rights severed. She's a vindictive nutcase who absolutely cannot see the harm she's done to her family (after his initial harm, which while terrible seems to have been short-lived). It's always been about her and what she wants, not what's in the best interest of raising well-adjusted kids who have healthy relationships with both parents.

Here's the quote: “The kids have grown up seeing that some people have so much power and privilege that their voices don’t matter. Their pain doesn’t count,” a source close to the matter shares with Us Weekly.

A good mother would have helped them get past one terrible day eight years ago. Kids are resilient and would have been okay if she encouraged reunification, explaining he was sick but is better now and loved them very much. She wanted them to stew in it because it served her purposes. I can't think of much more horrible parenting than that. Unless there is somehow more to it than that, but I think Wasser would have continued to help her if she felt she was in the right.

It wasn't just one day. That has been made abundantly clear

She herself said she left him the minute he became abusive toward the kids. So that was one day. If you're talking about the alcoholism, sure, but look how well Ben Affleck's kids are doing. Why? Because of parents committed to co-parenting peacefully and putting them first.

If she talks about her/their suffering so much publicly, can you imagine how much shes does privately? Those kids never had a chance.

As the middle aged adult daughter of an abusive alcoholic father, i speak from experience and much observation from decades working in advocacy in both family and criminal courts that kids raised by immature parents with substance use disorder and abusive behavior in their roles as spouse and parent will all face lifelong challenges of one sort or another - no one emerges entirely unscathed and some are far more damaged than others, depending on the temperament of the child and other influences in their childhood and adulthood.

I don’t think Jolie is without blame but I laud her for standing up for her kids and for setting the example of standing up for herself. I suspect she gets far more negative response than she deserves - those kids had choices and they are choosing to stay away from Brad and that says something more to me than it’s all Jolie’s fault. The one time my mother spoke of possibly leaving my father, I immediately replied with encouragement and asking that I not have to visit him after the separation.

What happened on that plane didn’t come out of nowhere. Brad Pitt is not a good guy. I’d happily watch anything Jolie is in, but for years now I avoid Pitt films just like I do Cruise and Gibson and Eastwood films. I’d rather save my diminishing time for artists who aren’t abusers.

+1 I was team Brad in the beginning but as more and more have come I've completely shifted my opinion. I understand why the kids are combative and I am shocked one of them haven't gone on live or youtube to obliviate his side. I am a strong believer that being blood related doesn't mean you're obligated to a relationship with someone. This is a decision I stand firmly in their corner for.

Maybe they are quiet because it doesn’t support what mommy has been saying. Or maybe their story makes both of them look bad. You would think by now they would have talked to friends about it and one of them would have spilled the beans.

You're grasping at straws. If they were brainwashed like you believe then their story would support her. Pax and Shiloh haven't told their old story but each made impactful moves to show what corner they are in.