Rich kid schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SMU is next level
Vanderbilt
TCU, to a certain extent but not SMU level (lots of California money coming in for all those kids who can't break through the UC system)

What is SMU like?

flashy - big hair - lots of designer duds head to toe - very Nuevo riche - think stereotypical Texas and complete opposite of elite northeastern old money

[Anonymous]

Rank (Total) Institution #Employed Top Employer (Total) Top Employer (Share)
1 University of Pennsylvania 408 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
2 New York University 257 JP Morgan Guggenheim Partners
3 Cornell University 214 JP Morgan Guggenheim Partners
4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 213 Jefferies PJT Partners
5 Columbia University 177 Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley
6 Harvard University 175 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
6 University of Chicago 175 Morgan Stanley Credit Suisse
8 Georgetown University 162 Bank of America Centerview Partners
9 University of Southern California 149 JP Morgan Perella Weinberg Partners
10 University of Texas at Austin 147 Moelis & Company Greenhill & Co.
11 University of California, Berkeley 143 Goldman Sachs Credit Suisse
12 University of Notre Dame 129 Bank of America Evercore
13 University of Virginia 122 Jefferies Guggenheim Partners
14 Duke University 121 Goldman Sachs Perella Weinberg Partners
15 Yale University 103 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
16 Dartmouth College 98 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
16 Boston College 98 Citi Barclays
18 Princeton University 92 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
19 Brown University 89 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
20 Northwestern University 88 Bank of America Greenhill & Co.
21 University of California, Los Angeles 84 Citi PJT Partners
22 Emory University 77 Citi Evercore
23 Vanderbilt University 73 Bank of America PJT Partners
24 Stanford University 67 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
25 Washington University 65 Guggenheim Partners Perella Weinberg Partners
26 Southern Methodist University 60 Jefferies Moelis & Company
27 Middlebury College 56 Goldman Sachs Barclays
28 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 50 Bank of America JP Morgan
29 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 49 Goldman Sachs Perella Weinberg Partners
30 Willams College 48 Guggenheim Partners Barclays

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SMU is next level
Vanderbilt
TCU, to a certain extent but not SMU level (lots of California money coming in for all those kids who can't break through the UC system)

What is SMU like?

flashy - big hair - lots of designer duds head to toe - very Nuevo riche - think stereotypical Texas and complete opposite of elite northeastern old money

lol it’s not the 90s, big hair lol. But yes new-rich vibes. The kids are very good looking. And southern- during football game days, the girls march over to the field, in skirts with white cowboy boots.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for this list, I will make sure my kids don’t apply to any of these schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's an interesting article at: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ivy-league-acceptance-rate-higher-for-wealthy-lowest-for-middle-class/

According to the study, "Because these colleges currently admit students from high-income families at substantially higher rates than students from lower-income families with comparable academic credentials, they perpetuate privilege across generations."

My DC at Stanford says she finds many of her fellow students to be "highly-polished cubic zirconia," as opposed to "diamonds in the rough." Many of them were pipelined into Stanford from very expensive private schools, where they were hothoused and had every benefit poured out upon them. My DC is concerned that these are future leaders who have a myopic view of society based on their lives as children of the super-rich and who are more privileged than talented.

We already see this, I think particularly so in the non-profit sector, where few execs have actually struggled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How has U Miami not been mentioned yet?

Also, for any of the state flagships, while there may be cohorts of rich kids, none of them is a "rich kid school" in the sense of many of the others being listed here. Know a number of kids at CU who are on work/study, etc. There is only a very small faction that are in the "ski house" crowd and they pretty must keep to themselves.

Really? I'm from Colorado (a town that borders Boulder, actually) and that's not my experience at all. It's true that there's a large contingent of normal middle class Colorado kids, but the out of state crowd, which is about half of the student body, most certainly gives "rich AF coming to ski and/or party in Boulder" vibes. (Years ago legalized weed was a big draw too, but that's obviously less so now as more states have legalized.) And CU Boulder is pretty easy to get into, so many students are a particularly ...notable...combination of rich + not overly academic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any elite school with an per-student-endowment of $800k or above is going to attract a significant amount of FGLI and lower middle class through financial aid. So while schools like Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, and Bowdoin have a lot of rich kids, they also have a significant portion of poor kids. The real rich-kid schools, IME, are usually in just below the super elite tiers (ranked above T25) but still have cachet and have stingy financial aid because of their smaller endowments--e.g., NYU, USC, Colorado College, Midd, Wake Forest, etc. There are exceptions though--Wesleyan, for example, doesn't have a huge endowment, but is very generous with their financial aid.

With the exception of Wake Forest, all of these schools have roughly the same percent of students on Pell Grants...

Amherst - 21%
USC - 21%
Williams - 20%
Middlebury - 19%
Colorado College - 19%
NYU - 18%
Dartmouth - 17%
Bowdoin - 16%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any elite school with an per-student-endowment of $800k or above is going to attract a significant amount of FGLI and lower middle class through financial aid. So while schools like Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst, and Bowdoin have a lot of rich kids, they also have a significant portion of poor kids. The real rich-kid schools, IME, are usually in just below the super elite tiers (ranked above T25) but still have cachet and have stingy financial aid because of their smaller endowments--e.g., NYU, USC, Colorado College, Midd, Wake Forest, etc. There are exceptions though--Wesleyan, for example, doesn't have a huge endowment, but is very generous with their financial aid.

With the exception of Wake Forest, all of these schools have roughly the same percent of students on Pell Grants...

Amherst - 21%
USC - 21%
Williams - 20%
Middlebury - 19%
Colorado College - 19%
NYU - 18%
Dartmouth - 17%
Bowdoin - 16%

Facts.

[Anonymous]

If op had only used Google, The NY Times already has put this list together:

38 colleges had more students from the top 1 percent than the bottom 60 percent
STUDENTS FROM ... THE TOP 1%
($630K+) BOTTOM 60%
(<$65K)
1. Washington University in St. Louis 21.7 6.1
2. Colorado College 24.2 10.5
3. Washington and Lee University 19.1 8.4
4. Colby College 20.4 11.1
5. Trinity College (Conn.) 26.2 14.3
6. Bucknell University 20.4 12.2
7. Colgate University 22.6 13.6
8. Kenyon College 19.8 12.2
9. Middlebury College 22.8 14.2
10. Tufts University 18.6 11.8

[Anonymous]

NESCAC schools recruit from NE boarding schools, so I'm going with the NESCAC.

[Anonymous]

Pepperdine
DePauw (not DePaul)

[Anonymous]

USD - University of San Diego/Univ of Spoiled Daughters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If op had only used Google, The NY Times already has put this list together:

38 colleges had more students from the top 1 percent than the bottom 60 percent
STUDENTS FROM ... THE TOP 1%
($630K+) BOTTOM 60%
(<$65K)
1. Washington University in St. Louis 21.7 6.1
2. Colorado College 24.2 10.5
3. Washington and Lee University 19.1 8.4
4. Colby College 20.4 11.1
5. Trinity College (Conn.) 26.2 14.3
6. Bucknell University 20.4 12.2
7. Colgate University 22.6 13.6
8. Kenyon College 19.8 12.2
9. Middlebury College 22.8 14.2
10. Tufts University 18.6 11.8

That article was written in 2017, and per the study, "The researchers tracked about 30 million students born between 1980 and 1991." So those were people who were in college (roughly) between 1998-2013. That's a loooong time ago - heck, some of the people in that study are likely to be *parents* of college students (or high schoolers in their college search). A LOT has changed in the higher education landscape, I don't think that study is particularly relevant for the current crop of college students who weren't even born for a good chunk of the data collectoin period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rank (Total) Institution #Employed Top Employer (Total) Top Employer (Share)
1 University of Pennsylvania 408 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
2 New York University 257 JP Morgan Guggenheim Partners
3 Cornell University 214 JP Morgan Guggenheim Partners
4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 213 Jefferies PJT Partners
5 Columbia University 177 Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley
6 Harvard University 175 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
6 University of Chicago 175 Morgan Stanley Credit Suisse
8 Georgetown University 162 Bank of America Centerview Partners
9 University of Southern California 149 JP Morgan Perella Weinberg Partners
10 University of Texas at Austin 147 Moelis & Company Greenhill & Co.
11 University of California, Berkeley 143 Goldman Sachs Credit Suisse
12 University of Notre Dame 129 Bank of America Evercore
13 University of Virginia 122 Jefferies Guggenheim Partners
14 Duke University 121 Goldman Sachs Perella Weinberg Partners
15 Yale University 103 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
16 Dartmouth College 98 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
16 Boston College 98 Citi Barclays
18 Princeton University 92 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
19 Brown University 89 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
20 Northwestern University 88 Bank of America Greenhill & Co.
21 University of California, Los Angeles 84 Citi PJT Partners
22 Emory University 77 Citi Evercore
23 Vanderbilt University 73 Bank of America PJT Partners
24 Stanford University 67 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
25 Washington University 65 Guggenheim Partners Perella Weinberg Partners
26 Southern Methodist University 60 Jefferies Moelis & Company
27 Middlebury College 56 Goldman Sachs Barclays
28 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 50 Bank of America JP Morgan
29 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 49 Goldman Sachs Perella Weinberg Partners
30 Willams College 48 Guggenheim Partners Barclays

Surprised by Stanford

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rank (Total) Institution #Employed Top Employer (Total) Top Employer (Share)
1 University of Pennsylvania 408 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
2 New York University 257 JP Morgan Guggenheim Partners
3 Cornell University 214 JP Morgan Guggenheim Partners
4 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 213 Jefferies PJT Partners
5 Columbia University 177 Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley
6 Harvard University 175 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
6 University of Chicago 175 Morgan Stanley Credit Suisse
8 Georgetown University 162 Bank of America Centerview Partners
9 University of Southern California 149 JP Morgan Perella Weinberg Partners
10 University of Texas at Austin 147 Moelis & Company Greenhill & Co.
11 University of California, Berkeley 143 Goldman Sachs Credit Suisse
12 University of Notre Dame 129 Bank of America Evercore
13 University of Virginia 122 Jefferies Guggenheim Partners
14 Duke University 121 Goldman Sachs Perella Weinberg Partners
15 Yale University 103 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
16 Dartmouth College 98 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
16 Boston College 98 Citi Barclays
18 Princeton University 92 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
19 Brown University 89 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
20 Northwestern University 88 Bank of America Greenhill & Co.
21 University of California, Los Angeles 84 Citi PJT Partners
22 Emory University 77 Citi Evercore
23 Vanderbilt University 73 Bank of America PJT Partners
24 Stanford University 67 Goldman Sachs Centerview Partners
25 Washington University 65 Guggenheim Partners Perella Weinberg Partners
26 Southern Methodist University 60 Jefferies Moelis & Company
27 Middlebury College 56 Goldman Sachs Barclays
28 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 50 Bank of America JP Morgan
29 University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign 49 Goldman Sachs Perella Weinberg Partners
30 Willams College 48 Guggenheim Partners Barclays

Some of these schools are much smaller than others—so “total number” is not straightforward