Which is better capitalism or socialism?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you even read the articles before you post them?

The article you tout about gas stoves states: "even though there are no federal proposals to outright prohibit the sale of gas stoves under consideration"

Not going to bother with the rest of your post, you are not worth engaging with any further.

There were proposals by this administration but they got canned. Now go crawl back under your WaPo rock.

No they did not. Post a link to where they proposed a ban on gas stoves.

The proposal from the CPS was to ban future gas stoves. A 2 second google search will present plenty of links.

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Anonymous wrote:Which is better, capitalism or socialism? Gee, what a novel question – I don’t think humans have ever considered that one.

If only there were some data we could look at — like if there were some country that went from not existing to being the most prosperous in the history of the world in the span of 100 years — maybe then we could look to see how they did it and which economic system they used.

Are you trying to reference the US? We weren’t even close to the most prosperous in the world by 1876.

Yes, we were. By 1876, the US was the wealthiest nation on a per capita basis, though the British Empire was still wealthier in absolute terms since it was larger. By the start of WWI in 1914, the US was the wealthiest overall, even allowing for the larger size of the British Empire.

Think about that - from not existing to the most prosperous ever in 100 years! That's the power of capitalism.

Due to capitalism? Or slavery? That was made on the backs of enslaved people. And you have no way of disentangling that from your analysis.

The Romans had slaves, the Mongols had slaves, the Brits had slaves, etc. of all races. We should go back and ask them all for reparations. Fortunately we evolved as the human race.

Why are you pivoting to a non sequitur about reparations? This thread is about capitalism and socialism. When a poster points out how successful our first hundred years of capitalism were, one must take a free labor force into account. Duh

The decades following WW2 were also very prosperous for the US and slavery was long gone. USSR’s socialist economy…not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, hope your kids aren't in public school, and I really hope you don't plan on Social Security or Medicare. Please don't take unemployment benefits, or complain about potholes. Don't engage in anything that has federal funding, please, which includes higher ed, the arts, medical advances from research.

It's all a one sided understanding with you types, but you're the first to complain about inflation, right? We have inflation due to corporate gouging- they got bail outs and turned around and took advantage of the system by raising prices.
. It's not even capitalism we have, it's a
system of oligarchy.

Our nation has the very rich, supported by tax cuts and benefits, but also we have people literally starving on the street and dying from a lack of health care access. So is this the question you really want to ask today?

You are confused. Capitalism doesn’t mean don’t pay any taxes at all. Certain socialist services are necessary for a functioning capitalist society. And by the way the wealthiest 50% pay most of the taxes in this country so how is it that the wealthy aren’t paying their fair share. But paying taxes so someone’s student debt can be canceled when they alone agreed to their loan is not what capitalists had in mind (unless you want to buy votes). Or paying for illegal aliens’ health care for that matter.

See this is where a compromise could be good. I don't want to pay off someone's student loans either. But why can't we have a (gasp) government program where we give interest free loans for behaviors we want to encourage? Like getting our populace educated. Maybe even incentivize them to study things we need and want more of like science and tech?

As for healthcare, I know illegals don't qualify for any official healthcare plans, so are you talking about people who go to ERs then skip out on the bill? Also, I hope you are not Christian because the whole "care for the poor and sick" thing could create some real cognitive dissonance for you.

I’m Christian. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has moved more people out of poverty and provided health care to more people worldwide than any economic system ever created. Good thing for you is those weight loss drugs would never have been created without Capitalism and free markets.

Those drugs would absolutely have been created...but what's interesting is that you are fine with a Danish company (Novo Nordisk) extracting massive profits by selling those drugs in the US at prices that are probably 50x what they are allowed to sell in Denmark.

I don't think there should be price controls on drugs...but there should be Most Favored Nation pricing which is very common in many industries. Basically, you either sell the drug for the same price to everyone, or you need to sell the drug for the lowest price that you are willing to sell it in any other 1st world country (we will exempt 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Without capitalism many life saving drugs would never have been developed. And they sure aren’t free to develop especially when 9 in 10 drugs in clinical development never make it past the FDA. Those costs have to be absorbed somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, hope your kids aren't in public school, and I really hope you don't plan on Social Security or Medicare. Please don't take unemployment benefits, or complain about potholes. Don't engage in anything that has federal funding, please, which includes higher ed, the arts, medical advances from research.

It's all a one sided understanding with you types, but you're the first to complain about inflation, right? We have inflation due to corporate gouging- they got bail outs and turned around and took advantage of the system by raising prices.
. It's not even capitalism we have, it's a
system of oligarchy.

Our nation has the very rich, supported by tax cuts and benefits, but also we have people literally starving on the street and dying from a lack of health care access. So is this the question you really want to ask today?

You are confused. Capitalism doesn’t mean don’t pay any taxes at all. Certain socialist services are necessary for a functioning capitalist society. And by the way the wealthiest 50% pay most of the taxes in this country so how is it that the wealthy aren’t paying their fair share. But paying taxes so someone’s student debt can be canceled when they alone agreed to their loan is not what capitalists had in mind (unless you want to buy votes). Or paying for illegal aliens’ health care for that matter.

See this is where a compromise could be good. I don't want to pay off someone's student loans either. But why can't we have a (gasp) government program where we give interest free loans for behaviors we want to encourage? Like getting our populace educated. Maybe even incentivize them to study things we need and want more of like science and tech?

As for healthcare, I know illegals don't qualify for any official healthcare plans, so are you talking about people who go to ERs then skip out on the bill? Also, I hope you are not Christian because the whole "care for the poor and sick" thing could create some real cognitive dissonance for you.

I’m Christian. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has moved more people out of poverty and provided health care to more people worldwide than any economic system ever created. Good thing for you is those weight loss drugs would never have been created without Capitalism and free markets.

Those drugs would absolutely have been created...but what's interesting is that you are fine with a Danish company (Novo Nordisk) extracting massive profits by selling those drugs in the US at prices that are probably 50x what they are allowed to sell in Denmark.

I don't think there should be price controls on drugs...but there should be Most Favored Nation pricing which is very common in many industries. Basically, you either sell the drug for the same price to everyone, or you need to sell the drug for the lowest price that you are willing to sell it in any other 1st world country (we will exempt 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Without capitalism many life saving drugs would never have been developed. And they sure aren’t free to develop especially when 9 in 10 drugs in clinical development never make it past the FDA. Those costs have to be absorbed somewhere.

That's a complete load of horse shit. Most drugs are developed with government subsidies, either direct (polio) or indirect (R&E credits). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7642989/

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Anonymous wrote:Again, you are not well educated on this topic, you should stop posting:


How many millions starved to death under Stalin? 3 -5 million during the Holodomor?
How many millions starved to death during Mao's great leap forward? 30-40 million?
How many people are dying in North Korea?


These are not socialist countries. Stalin and Mao were COMMUNISTS. Kim is a dictator. His country isn't a functioning anything. Not capitalist, not socialist, no even really communist, it is chaos.

This is what happens when you have dictators instead of democracy. Ahem.

Clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter. What’s the different between socialism and democratic socialism?…….Nothing.

Um, everything. At their very core. Democratic socialism doesn't actually seek government-owned enterprises, rather to retain private ownership but tax/subsidize the hell out of them to achieve policy goals.

If you don't understand this very basic, 101 thing, maybe you should sit out the rest of the discussion as it's obviously over your head.

You’re living in a govt controlled fantasyland. If you’re going to tax/subsidize and overregulate the hell of them like Democrats do, the incentive to start businesses, invest, innovate, etc will decrease significantly. Poof….lots of taxpaying jobs that could have been never happen. Please try to understand basic 101 economic theory as well as the history of the world. Start with what occurred with Sweden’s economy when they deregulated their economy, lowered taxes, passed business friendly laws, etc.

Toots, I suspect the difference between us (besides my superior intellect compared to yours) is that I have ACTUALLY HAVE LIVED in countries like this (New Zealand, Sweden, Germany). And you couldn't be more wrong.

Most Democratic Socialist countries are highly entrepreneurial. Mainly because workers aren't tied to jobs because they need health insurance.

Sorry go re-educate yourself and revisit those countries. I’ve lived abroad in Europe as well. All those countries you listed have capitalist economies. Please try to keep up. You’re embarrassing yourself.

More stupidity. I mean, did you go to Trump University or something?

Democratic Socialism HAVE CAPITALIST ECONOMIES, YOU MORONIC DUMBASS. THAT IS THE POINT.

I realize RWNJs are programmed to be afraid of everything, but you really have glommed onto that "s" word, haven't you?

Wow…triggered much? If “democratic socialism have capitalist economies” then it’s not socialist economy. It’s a capitalist economy. Man you are a dumb liberal. Not really surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, you are not well educated on this topic, you should stop posting:


How many millions starved to death under Stalin? 3 -5 million during the Holodomor?
How many millions starved to death during Mao's great leap forward? 30-40 million?
How many people are dying in North Korea?


These are not socialist countries. Stalin and Mao were COMMUNISTS. Kim is a dictator. His country isn't a functioning anything. Not capitalist, not socialist, no even really communist, it is chaos.

This is what happens when you have dictators instead of democracy. Ahem.

Clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter. What’s the different between socialism and democratic socialism?…….Nothing.

Um, everything. At their very core. Democratic socialism doesn't actually seek government-owned enterprises, rather to retain private ownership but tax/subsidize the hell out of them to achieve policy goals.

If you don't understand this very basic, 101 thing, maybe you should sit out the rest of the discussion as it's obviously over your head.

You’re living in a govt controlled fantasyland. If you’re going to tax/subsidize and overregulate the hell of them like Democrats do, the incentive to start businesses, invest, innovate, etc will decrease significantly. Poof….lots of taxpaying jobs that could have been never happen. Please try to understand basic 101 economic theory as well as the history of the world. Start with what occurred with Sweden’s economy when they deregulated their economy, lowered taxes, passed business friendly laws, etc.

Toots, I suspect the difference between us (besides my superior intellect compared to yours) is that I have ACTUALLY HAVE LIVED in countries like this (New Zealand, Sweden, Germany). And you couldn't be more wrong.

Most Democratic Socialist countries are highly entrepreneurial. Mainly because workers aren't tied to jobs because they need health insurance.

Sorry go re-educate yourself and revisit those countries. I’ve lived abroad in Europe as well. All those countries you listed have capitalist economies. Please try to keep up. You’re embarrassing yourself.

More stupidity. I mean, did you go to Trump University or something?

Democratic Socialism HAVE CAPITALIST ECONOMIES, YOU MORONIC DUMBASS. THAT IS THE POINT.

I realize RWNJs are programmed to be afraid of everything, but you really have glommed onto that "s" word, haven't you?

Wow…triggered much? If “democratic socialism have capitalist economies” then it’s not socialist economy. It’s a capitalist economy. Man you are a dumb liberal. Not really surprising.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, hope your kids aren't in public school, and I really hope you don't plan on Social Security or Medicare. Please don't take unemployment benefits, or complain about potholes. Don't engage in anything that has federal funding, please, which includes higher ed, the arts, medical advances from research.

It's all a one sided understanding with you types, but you're the first to complain about inflation, right? We have inflation due to corporate gouging- they got bail outs and turned around and took advantage of the system by raising prices.
. It's not even capitalism we have, it's a
system of oligarchy.

Our nation has the very rich, supported by tax cuts and benefits, but also we have people literally starving on the street and dying from a lack of health care access. So is this the question you really want to ask today?

You are confused. Capitalism doesn’t mean don’t pay any taxes at all. Certain socialist services are necessary for a functioning capitalist society. And by the way the wealthiest 50% pay most of the taxes in this country so how is it that the wealthy aren’t paying their fair share. But paying taxes so someone’s student debt can be canceled when they alone agreed to their loan is not what capitalists had in mind (unless you want to buy votes). Or paying for illegal aliens’ health care for that matter.

See this is where a compromise could be good. I don't want to pay off someone's student loans either. But why can't we have a (gasp) government program where we give interest free loans for behaviors we want to encourage? Like getting our populace educated. Maybe even incentivize them to study things we need and want more of like science and tech?

As for healthcare, I know illegals don't qualify for any official healthcare plans, so are you talking about people who go to ERs then skip out on the bill? Also, I hope you are not Christian because the whole "care for the poor and sick" thing could create some real cognitive dissonance for you.

I’m Christian. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has moved more people out of poverty and provided health care to more people worldwide than any economic system ever created. Good thing for you is those weight loss drugs would never have been created without Capitalism and free markets.

Those drugs would absolutely have been created...but what's interesting is that you are fine with a Danish company (Novo Nordisk) extracting massive profits by selling those drugs in the US at prices that are probably 50x what they are allowed to sell in Denmark.

I don't think there should be price controls on drugs...but there should be Most Favored Nation pricing which is very common in many industries. Basically, you either sell the drug for the same price to everyone, or you need to sell the drug for the lowest price that you are willing to sell it in any other 1st world country (we will exempt 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Without capitalism many life saving drugs would never have been developed. And they sure aren’t free to develop especially when 9 in 10 drugs in clinical development never make it past the FDA. Those costs have to be absorbed somewhere.

You are OK paying 10x more for the same drug bs buying it in France, Germany, UK, Canada? Again, I don’t have a problem if they are paying the same price, but why are we gouging ourselves and subsidizing the rest of the world? Shouldn’t it be the reverse?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, hope your kids aren't in public school, and I really hope you don't plan on Social Security or Medicare. Please don't take unemployment benefits, or complain about potholes. Don't engage in anything that has federal funding, please, which includes higher ed, the arts, medical advances from research.

It's all a one sided understanding with you types, but you're the first to complain about inflation, right? We have inflation due to corporate gouging- they got bail outs and turned around and took advantage of the system by raising prices.
. It's not even capitalism we have, it's a
system of oligarchy.

Our nation has the very rich, supported by tax cuts and benefits, but also we have people literally starving on the street and dying from a lack of health care access. So is this the question you really want to ask today?

You are confused. Capitalism doesn’t mean don’t pay any taxes at all. Certain socialist services are necessary for a functioning capitalist society. And by the way the wealthiest 50% pay most of the taxes in this country so how is it that the wealthy aren’t paying their fair share. But paying taxes so someone’s student debt can be canceled when they alone agreed to their loan is not what capitalists had in mind (unless you want to buy votes). Or paying for illegal aliens’ health care for that matter.

See this is where a compromise could be good. I don't want to pay off someone's student loans either. But why can't we have a (gasp) government program where we give interest free loans for behaviors we want to encourage? Like getting our populace educated. Maybe even incentivize them to study things we need and want more of like science and tech?

As for healthcare, I know illegals don't qualify for any official healthcare plans, so are you talking about people who go to ERs then skip out on the bill? Also, I hope you are not Christian because the whole "care for the poor and sick" thing could create some real cognitive dissonance for you.

I’m Christian. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has moved more people out of poverty and provided health care to more people worldwide than any economic system ever created. Good thing for you is those weight loss drugs would never have been created without Capitalism and free markets.

Those drugs would absolutely have been created...but what's interesting is that you are fine with a Danish company (Novo Nordisk) extracting massive profits by selling those drugs in the US at prices that are probably 50x what they are allowed to sell in Denmark.

I don't think there should be price controls on drugs...but there should be Most Favored Nation pricing which is very common in many industries. Basically, you either sell the drug for the same price to everyone, or you need to sell the drug for the lowest price that you are willing to sell it in any other 1st world country (we will exempt 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Without capitalism many life saving drugs would never have been developed. And they sure aren’t free to develop especially when 9 in 10 drugs in clinical development never make it past the FDA. Those costs have to be absorbed somewhere.

That's a complete load of horse shit. Most drugs are developed with government subsidies, either direct (polio) or indirect (R&E credits). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7642989/

You are a moron. Where did those govt subsidies come from? Taxpayers. Taxpayers who have jobs created by our capitalist economy.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, hope your kids aren't in public school, and I really hope you don't plan on Social Security or Medicare. Please don't take unemployment benefits, or complain about potholes. Don't engage in anything that has federal funding, please, which includes higher ed, the arts, medical advances from research.

It's all a one sided understanding with you types, but you're the first to complain about inflation, right? We have inflation due to corporate gouging- they got bail outs and turned around and took advantage of the system by raising prices.
. It's not even capitalism we have, it's a
system of oligarchy.

Our nation has the very rich, supported by tax cuts and benefits, but also we have people literally starving on the street and dying from a lack of health care access. So is this the question you really want to ask today?

You are confused. Capitalism doesn’t mean don’t pay any taxes at all. Certain socialist services are necessary for a functioning capitalist society. And by the way the wealthiest 50% pay most of the taxes in this country so how is it that the wealthy aren’t paying their fair share. But paying taxes so someone’s student debt can be canceled when they alone agreed to their loan is not what capitalists had in mind (unless you want to buy votes). Or paying for illegal aliens’ health care for that matter.

See this is where a compromise could be good. I don't want to pay off someone's student loans either. But why can't we have a (gasp) government program where we give interest free loans for behaviors we want to encourage? Like getting our populace educated. Maybe even incentivize them to study things we need and want more of like science and tech?

As for healthcare, I know illegals don't qualify for any official healthcare plans, so are you talking about people who go to ERs then skip out on the bill? Also, I hope you are not Christian because the whole "care for the poor and sick" thing could create some real cognitive dissonance for you.

I’m Christian. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has moved more people out of poverty and provided health care to more people worldwide than any economic system ever created. Good thing for you is those weight loss drugs would never have been created without Capitalism and free markets.

Those drugs would absolutely have been created...but what's interesting is that you are fine with a Danish company (Novo Nordisk) extracting massive profits by selling those drugs in the US at prices that are probably 50x what they are allowed to sell in Denmark.

I don't think there should be price controls on drugs...but there should be Most Favored Nation pricing which is very common in many industries. Basically, you either sell the drug for the same price to everyone, or you need to sell the drug for the lowest price that you are willing to sell it in any other 1st world country (we will exempt 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Without capitalism many life saving drugs would never have been developed. And they sure aren’t free to develop especially when 9 in 10 drugs in clinical development never make it past the FDA. Those costs have to be absorbed somewhere.

You are OK paying 10x more for the same drug bs buying it in France, Germany, UK, Canada? Again, I don’t have a problem if they are paying the same price, but why are we gouging ourselves and subsidizing the rest of the world? Shouldn’t it be the reverse?

Agree. The US taxpayer is subsidizing the R&D (with high drug prices) that the rest of the world enjoys with drugs developed in the US. And that’s why many US drugs are not sold ex-US because those countries socialist health care systems won’t pay the same prices as the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, you are not well educated on this topic, you should stop posting:


How many millions starved to death under Stalin? 3 -5 million during the Holodomor?
How many millions starved to death during Mao's great leap forward? 30-40 million?
How many people are dying in North Korea?


These are not socialist countries. Stalin and Mao were COMMUNISTS. Kim is a dictator. His country isn't a functioning anything. Not capitalist, not socialist, no even really communist, it is chaos.

This is what happens when you have dictators instead of democracy. Ahem.

Clearly a Bernie Sanders supporter. What’s the different between socialism and democratic socialism?…….Nothing.

Um, everything. At their very core. Democratic socialism doesn't actually seek government-owned enterprises, rather to retain private ownership but tax/subsidize the hell out of them to achieve policy goals.

If you don't understand this very basic, 101 thing, maybe you should sit out the rest of the discussion as it's obviously over your head.

You’re living in a govt controlled fantasyland. If you’re going to tax/subsidize and overregulate the hell of them like Democrats do, the incentive to start businesses, invest, innovate, etc will decrease significantly. Poof….lots of taxpaying jobs that could have been never happen. Please try to understand basic 101 economic theory as well as the history of the world. Start with what occurred with Sweden’s economy when they deregulated their economy, lowered taxes, passed business friendly laws, etc.

Toots, I suspect the difference between us (besides my superior intellect compared to yours) is that I have ACTUALLY HAVE LIVED in countries like this (New Zealand, Sweden, Germany). And you couldn't be more wrong.

Most Democratic Socialist countries are highly entrepreneurial. Mainly because workers aren't tied to jobs because they need health insurance.

Sorry go re-educate yourself and revisit those countries. I’ve lived abroad in Europe as well. All those countries you listed have capitalist economies. Please try to keep up. You’re embarrassing yourself.

More stupidity. I mean, did you go to Trump University or something?

Democratic Socialism HAVE CAPITALIST ECONOMIES, YOU MORONIC DUMBASS. THAT IS THE POINT.

I realize RWNJs are programmed to be afraid of everything, but you really have glommed onto that "s" word, haven't you?

Wow…triggered much? If “democratic socialism have capitalist economies” then it’s not socialist economy. It’s a capitalist economy. Man you are a dumb liberal. Not really surprising.

BY GOD YOU'VE FINALLY GOD IT... "Democratic Socialists" favor capitalism. So why are you conflating them with being in favor of "communism" or authoritarianism?

Let me guess, you think the USA is special because "freedom," amrite?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you even read the articles before you post them?

The article you tout about gas stoves states: "even though there are no federal proposals to outright prohibit the sale of gas stoves under consideration"

Not going to bother with the rest of your post, you are not worth engaging with any further.

There were proposals by this administration but they got canned. Now go crawl back under your WaPo rock.

No they did not. Post a link to where they proposed a ban on gas stoves.

The proposal from the CPS was to ban future gas stoves. A 2 second google search will present plenty of links.

You are still wrong.

https://fortune.com/2023/01/11/gas-stove-ban-not-planned-cpsc-emmissions-natural-gas/


The head of the US Consumer Product Safety Commission said the agency has no plans to ban gas stoves, days after one of his colleagues said a ban was one option was under consideration in comments that ignited a political firestorm.

You jumped from the dems are banning gas stoves, to they had a proposal to ban gas stoves, to the CPS proposed banning future gas stoves, to reality - an individual who works for CPSC said they could CONSIDER a ban and the HEAD of the organization said, no.

A two second search produced the actual facts. Moron.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, hope your kids aren't in public school, and I really hope you don't plan on Social Security or Medicare. Please don't take unemployment benefits, or complain about potholes. Don't engage in anything that has federal funding, please, which includes higher ed, the arts, medical advances from research.

It's all a one sided understanding with you types, but you're the first to complain about inflation, right? We have inflation due to corporate gouging- they got bail outs and turned around and took advantage of the system by raising prices.
. It's not even capitalism we have, it's a
system of oligarchy.

Our nation has the very rich, supported by tax cuts and benefits, but also we have people literally starving on the street and dying from a lack of health care access. So is this the question you really want to ask today?

You are confused. Capitalism doesn’t mean don’t pay any taxes at all. Certain socialist services are necessary for a functioning capitalist society. And by the way the wealthiest 50% pay most of the taxes in this country so how is it that the wealthy aren’t paying their fair share. But paying taxes so someone’s student debt can be canceled when they alone agreed to their loan is not what capitalists had in mind (unless you want to buy votes). Or paying for illegal aliens’ health care for that matter.

See this is where a compromise could be good. I don't want to pay off someone's student loans either. But why can't we have a (gasp) government program where we give interest free loans for behaviors we want to encourage? Like getting our populace educated. Maybe even incentivize them to study things we need and want more of like science and tech?

As for healthcare, I know illegals don't qualify for any official healthcare plans, so are you talking about people who go to ERs then skip out on the bill? Also, I hope you are not Christian because the whole "care for the poor and sick" thing could create some real cognitive dissonance for you.

I’m Christian. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has moved more people out of poverty and provided health care to more people worldwide than any economic system ever created. Good thing for you is those weight loss drugs would never have been created without Capitalism and free markets.

Those drugs would absolutely have been created...but what's interesting is that you are fine with a Danish company (Novo Nordisk) extracting massive profits by selling those drugs in the US at prices that are probably 50x what they are allowed to sell in Denmark.

I don't think there should be price controls on drugs...but there should be Most Favored Nation pricing which is very common in many industries. Basically, you either sell the drug for the same price to everyone, or you need to sell the drug for the lowest price that you are willing to sell it in any other 1st world country (we will exempt 2nd and 3rd world countries).

Without capitalism many life saving drugs would never have been developed. And they sure aren’t free to develop especially when 9 in 10 drugs in clinical development never make it past the FDA. Those costs have to be absorbed somewhere.

That's a complete load of horse shit. Most drugs are developed with government subsidies, either direct (polio) or indirect (R&E credits). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7642989/

You are a moron. Where did those govt subsidies come from? Taxpayers. Taxpayers who have jobs created by our capitalist economy.

You understand that taxpayers giving their money to the govt to help develop drugs is.... not capitalist. Capitalism would be the drug companies developing drugs solely based on their profit and loss. No subsidies.