Marijuana causes teen psychosis- more evidence

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think when long-term marijuana use studies come out, we’re going to have a lot of regrets about legalizing it.

+1

Both Colorado and California and rethinking legalization as they have had a few decades to see the amazing affects on the general population.

Realistically what tools are there to reserve course on behavior and culture other than serious prison time for "nonviolent" offenders?

Are you okay with alcohol users getting the same treatment? Because it's the same problem...

[Anonymous]

My brother, a Stanford grad, began his descent into mental illness with psychosis in his 20s. Since he was living away from home, my parents didn’t detect his habits until far too late. He now lives with persistent delusions that verge on full on schizophrenia. He will not get medical help. I notice he’s much better when he’s not smoking pot or drinking, but he lives in another country now. Both my parents have passed on. In the end there was little they could do, but they left him money and a home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Veterans with PTSD need weed.

LSD and psylocibin mushrooms have long been found to be much much better than most any known medications for PTSD, OCD, etc. However the profit margin there for Big Pharma is non-existent so they pay to suppress and legislation legalizing their use.

Not going willy nilly with them, but managed low dose use periodically. RFK Jr. has mentioned allowing doctors prescribing both for some issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think when long-term marijuana use studies come out, we’re going to have a lot of regrets about legalizing it.

+1

Both Colorado and California and rethinking legalization as they have had a few decades to see the amazing affects on the general population.

Realistically what tools are there to reserve course on behavior and culture other than serious prison time for "nonviolent" offenders?

Are you okay with alcohol users getting the same treatment? Because it's the same problem...

I’m not the poster you quoted, but marijuana isn’t the same as alcohol.

For one thing, marijuana smoke affects non-smokers in the vicinity. Have you ever heard of secondhand alcohol?

For another, while driving impaired is dangerous, whether under the influence of alcohol or marijuana, alcohol has a legal, quantifiable threshold to determine impairment and there are precise, objective ways to measure that (making enforcement more practical, which hopefully, provides some measure of deterrence). Marijuana impairment, on the other hand, can only be judged subjectively. The only deterrent a marijuana user has to driving impaired is whether in their impaired judgment, their judgment has been impaired. They don’t have to wonder what their blood levels would be, because they have absolutely no idea, but they know the police won’t either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think when long-term marijuana use studies come out, we’re going to have a lot of regrets about legalizing it.

We will also feel this way about dropping COVID precautions but: the die is cast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think when long-term marijuana use studies come out, we’re going to have a lot of regrets about legalizing it.

+1

Both Colorado and California and rethinking legalization as they have had a few decades to see the amazing affects on the general population.

Realistically what tools are there to reserve course on behavior and culture other than serious prison time for "nonviolent" offenders?

Are you okay with alcohol users getting the same treatment? Because it's the same problem...

I’m not the poster you quoted, but marijuana isn’t the same as alcohol.

For one thing, marijuana smoke affects non-smokers in the vicinity. Have you ever heard of secondhand alcohol?

For another, while driving impaired is dangerous, whether under the influence of alcohol or marijuana, alcohol has a legal, quantifiable threshold to determine impairment and there are precise, objective ways to measure that (making enforcement more practical, which hopefully, provides some measure of deterrence). Marijuana impairment, on the other hand, can only be judged subjectively. The only deterrent a marijuana user has to driving impaired is whether in their impaired judgment, their judgment has been impaired. They don’t have to wonder what their blood levels would be, because they have absolutely no idea, but they know the police won’t either.

The pp wrote "Realistically what tools are there to reserve course on behavior and culture other than serious prison time for "nonviolent" offenders?"

If you're going to treat cannabis users that way, you'll need to do the same for all drug users, including boozers. That the drugs aren't the same doesn't mean they're not similarly problematic (alcohol is still a far bigger problem in terms of social costs).

I mean, way to jump on the thread and justify your alcoholism, I guess...

[Anonymous]

Psychosis??

You all do know Elon Musk smokes lots of marijuana, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think when long-term marijuana use studies come out, we’re going to have a lot of regrets about legalizing it.

+1

Both Colorado and California and rethinking legalization as they have had a few decades to see the amazing affects on the general population.

Realistically what tools are there to reserve course on behavior and culture other than serious prison time for "nonviolent" offenders?

Are you okay with alcohol users getting the same treatment? Because it's the same problem...

I’m not the poster you quoted, but marijuana isn’t the same as alcohol.

For one thing, marijuana smoke affects non-smokers in the vicinity. Have you ever heard of secondhand alcohol?

For another, while driving impaired is dangerous, whether under the influence of alcohol or marijuana, alcohol has a legal, quantifiable threshold to determine impairment and there are precise, objective ways to measure that (making enforcement more practical, which hopefully, provides some measure of deterrence). Marijuana impairment, on the other hand, can only be judged subjectively. The only deterrent a marijuana user has to driving impaired is whether in their impaired judgment, their judgment has been impaired. They don’t have to wonder what their blood levels would be, because they have absolutely no idea, but they know the police won’t either.

The pp wrote "Realistically what tools are there to reserve course on behavior and culture other than serious prison time for "nonviolent" offenders?"

If you're going to treat cannabis users that way, you'll need to do the same for all drug users, including boozers. That the drugs aren't the same doesn't mean they're not similarly problematic (alcohol is still a far bigger problem in terms of social costs).

I mean, way to jump on the thread and justify your alcoholism, I guess...

Pp you’re responding to, and I’m basically a non-drinker. I haven’t had anything to drink since a couple of years before COVID, and even then, most people would have probably categorized me as a non-drinker.

If a way to objectively measure marijuana levels is developed (like blood alcohol/breathalyzer tests for alcohol) AND legal marijuana is limited to either medical marijuana prescribed by a doctor under strict guidelines that include potential secondhand exposure to others and/or that consumed recreationally only in forms that ONLY affect the user - like alcohol, with no secondhand smoke risks (gummies, etc.), then I agree that it should be treated like alcohol.

Basically, I agree with you that all drug users (including boozers), should be treated the same way. Personally, I’d be fine with reinstating prohibition of alcohol and banning all recreational drugs (including tobacco). While I don’t see that happening, I think society should require that before they legalize recreational use of any substance that:

if it impairs driving they should have a determination of what levels constitute impairment, with an objective way to measure it.

AND

it not be allowed to endanger the mental health and cognitive abilities of those around them, especially children whose developing brains are particularly vulnerable. (Ideally substances that cause physical harm to others would be likewise banned, but I don’t think that’s going to happen to tobacco - and no, I don’t smoke, either). Our society has enough trouble with education, not to mention mental illness. Our collective future cannot afford to brain damage a generation, knowingly sacrificing them to their parents’ recreation.