Covid. The big shift

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in education and people who came of age and were still in K-12 or college during COVID are developmentally stunted. They don't seem to have coping or problem solving skills and ignore deadlines and have trouble taking initiative.

We’re moving school districts next summer and are holding our daughter back - she’s young for her class and has diagnosed learning disabilities, and covid was a huge challenge to her learning.

I don’t know why it’s so difficult for people to acknowledge the intense trauma we all experienced. Just because some of us coped better or were less materially affected does not invalidate other people’s experiences. I guess that’s another fun legacy of covid: a notable decrease in empathy and compassion. Ironically.

But so much if it was self inflicted. That doesn’t make everyone a victim. People went way overboard and now have to suffer the consequences.

NP. You highlight what has caused is shift in my worldview from which I am having trouble recovering. You think that people went "overboard" by following public health advice, taking COVID seriously as a health risk, and trying to do their part to avoid spreading it when certain members of the community were at greater risk. Your "overboard" was my trying to be a decent human being. The new narrative is that any fallout from restricted activities or isolation was self-inflicted and, therefore, not worth acknowledging or addressing.

I'll say that my view of "experts" in various realms has become increasingly distrustful. This is particularly true with those in public health and education, where experts offered assurances that were solely focused on maintaining desired outcomes without honest acknowledgment or discussion of potential long-term consequences.

At some point common sense should have been restored. Some of the measures and actions were ridiculous and should have been obvious. Children never needed to be banned from playgrounds, masks weren’t needed on solo runs in suburban neighborhoods. I lived in a place where police were called on kids playing at a park. So we moved. A whole lot of this never made much sense and shockingly a lot of people blindly followed along and gleefully shamed their neighbors who weren’t in lock step. It’s hard to muster sympathy now.

So you are happy that people are having trouble rebuilding their lives because they tried to control and shame others.

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Fixed it for you.

And yes, I for one am very happy at ANY misery brought upon those who tried to force others into isolation, unwanted vaccinations, and other horrors. They fully deserve it.

This is exactly why it's hard to move on. People who are angry about COVID restrictions believe that anyone who followed them is equally as responsible for the measures and their consequences as those who made the decisions. Yes, every single person who tried to avoid contracting and spreading COVID was actively policing the activities of others, reporting them to authorities, lobbying for more and longer restrictions, and otherwise trying to make your life miserable. ALL OF US. We did nothing but try to ruin your life for more than two years. We deserve to suffer.

What exactly do you want here? If it’s sympathy and empathy you’re going about it the wrong way. You’re making things even worse for yourself.

I think PP is saying to move the f-- on from whining about COVID restrictions. It's tiresome. Nasty (see the bolded). And pointless. The anti-science crowd saying things like the bolded and you're whining about the PP and lack of sympathy/empathy? That's. rich.

So what do you want? Its a simple question. Do you want to rejoin society or keep spinning your wheels?

What are you even talking about? My life is ongoing. I'm in society. Living life. Traveling.
I believe my statement above was crystal clear. Your obfuscating for to make some point that only you seem to understand.

Your point makes no sense because it's not clear which PP you're even talking about. Some of the people in here are complaining about the big shift and lack of acknowledgment for their "trauma". I think a lot of that was self inflicted. If you wanted the schools closed for years, quit complaining about learning loss and then demanding empathy for your troubles. Because those same people didn't show a lot of empathy with parents who wanted in person school and were unsympathetically told schools were not daycare. So its rich now that people are like whatever, it's tiresome let's not talk about that, but feel bad for me because I can't move on from my "trauma" of sitting home in sweats for years.

What if you didn't want schools to be closed for years? I guess those people are allowed to be angry because you seem pretty worked up.

You're so worked up you're not even reading clearly. I bolded what I said since you skimmed and responded anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

I think the overall point is that a lot of us were ready to be more relaxed about Covid by September 2020 and certainly by early spring 2021, but restrictions were still being forced on us even at that point. I’m glad you could move away from all the craziness but some of us couldn’t.

Also agree with others that it really did start when Trump got elected. I’m no fan of his and I didn’t vote for him and absolutely would not in the future. BUT, you can’t deny that some reactions - both from policymakers and individuals - were knee jerk against Trump. When he came out in summer 2020 and said schools should be open for the fall, I knew right then and there it wasn’t happening in liberal areas.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

I think the overall point is that a lot of us were ready to be more relaxed about Covid by September 2020 and certainly by early spring 2021, but restrictions were still being forced on us even at that point. I’m glad you could move away from all the craziness but some of us couldn’t.

Also agree with others that it really did start when Trump got elected. I’m no fan of his and I didn’t vote for him and absolutely would not in the future. BUT, you can’t deny that some reactions - both from policymakers and individuals - were knee jerk against Trump. When he came out in summer 2020 and said schools should be open for the fall, I knew right then and there it wasn’t happening in liberal areas.

I feel bad for the people living under the draconian and senseless rules that dragged on for far too long, and yes, seemed very political more than sensible. But I don't feel sorry for the people complaining about their trauma, who insisted on living that way, and don't want to talk about the mistakes that were made, but demand empathy and understanding for their (self inflicted) troubles. There will never be a reckoning, but that also means the sympathy well has dried up.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

Many colleges did NOT start their fall 2020 season, they did it in the spring instead. And many of the schools that did have fall football did not allow spectators at first.
Can you please tell me which college had fall football with full stadiums?

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My husband got COVID at work as a health care provider in June 2022. He had no significant health conditions, had been fully vaccinated, and took Paxlovid. He has been disabled since. He just won a worker’s comp case at trial, in fact—that is how disabled he is.

For the mental health of our household we cannot join in the transition to behaving as though COVID was nothing and the mask mandates and school closures were the problem.

Those measures protected my child’s remaining healthy parent (I am the one we thought was “high risk”) and the opportunity for our kid to grow up with one healthy parent.

If you have not experienced this kind of disability in your family because of COVID, I am glad for you, but uninterested in your views on whether I or anyone else am too anxious, too in the basement, whatever nonsense is going on here now. I wish you had more regard for the fact that there are people in your community whose experience was not as rosy as yours, and that you could put aside your propensity to judge to be human about it. We are moving on without you either way.

My kid has one healthy parent. I am that person and I do everything I can to avoid COVID. Changed jobs to stay remote, N95 in all indoor spaces. No restaurants, no air travel.

Does it suck? Yes. There is every reason to believe that my husband getting COVID again would suck even more.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

Many colleges did NOT start their fall 2020 season, they did it in the spring instead. And many of the schools that did have fall football did not allow spectators at first.
Can you please tell me which college had fall football with full stadiums?

Oh, so we're moving the goal posts, first it never happened now we need to talk about the capacity at the stadiums. Look the world did not come to a standstill for years. These events happened and it didn't take quite awhile, everywhere. Things maybe came to a standstill in your area, but that's it.

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Anonymous wrote:I had Covid last November. I'm a long-hauler, and it has been very rough. I overheard my DH telling a friend "She hasn't been the same since, and I'm afraid she never will be." So yeah, for me personally life is not the same.

But the societal shifts are huge, of course. The vast numbers of folks who are still WFH, and the folks who will only be willing to do remote work going forward. Oh, and remember how going to work sick was a badge of honor? Lol, those days are over. Also, someone went to shake my hand the other day and it felt awkward and I couldn't put my finger on why and I realized it is because post-Covid we don't do it anymore. Probably good riddance on that one.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

Many colleges did NOT start their fall 2020 season, they did it in the spring instead. And many of the schools that did have fall football did not allow spectators at first.
Can you please tell me which college had fall football with full stadiums?

Oh, so we're moving the goal posts, first it never happened now we need to talk about the capacity at the stadiums. Look the world did not come to a standstill for years. These events happened and it didn't take quite awhile, everywhere. Things maybe came to a standstill in your area, but that's it.

No goal posts were moved. You’re making things up.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Yes to all of this. I think this is one reason why it can really vary by person as to whether they feel everything has shifted post-Covid. I think some communities/schools have recovered and gone back to normal, but not all. Mine definitely isn't. I am one of the people who used to plan and participate more pre-Covid and I struggle so much more now. I'm so tired and my mental health isn't as good as it used to be, so I've just dropped the ball on more things because I don't have the energy or mental bandwidth. I think many others are the same. I don't blame anyone. I think Covid hit some communities a lot harder in terms of what we went through, and that has impacted it. The communities where everything is "back to normal" I think probably were less scathed in terms of not just death and illness, but also probably didn't deal with as much of the stress of being in frontline jobs, having kids home for extended periods, maybe had fewer dual income families where both parents had to work, etc. We have friends who have SAHPs, were able to spend much of Covid at second houses, or have kids in privates that reopened quickly, etc., and they are, I think, more over Covid and don't feel the same aftereffects.

Also some communities (including ours) were more impacted by a lot of the conversation around police violence, racism, etc. Those conversations needed to happen but haven't always been handled well or made things better (there is a level of "open wound" that we can't seem to heal) and it all adds to more stress. More homogeneous or privileged communities might not deal with as much of that.

Yeah the George Floyd stuff happening at the same time as Covid was so rough. I had a social group implode because of it. not because of difficulties/disagreements between people in the group, but because the group’s parent org didn’t handle the overall situation in the best way and people knee-jerk reacted by disbanding their own chapters of the larger group. We used to raise money for charitable orgs in the area and do donation drives - not anymore since the group disbanded.

That was the beginning of the end. Social gatherings were wrong and deadly, unless it was a BLM march. How stupid did they think everyone was? Life went back to normal after that.

No, it didn't.
School didn't fully open in person for another year after that.
Masks were still mandatory everywhere for almost a full year after that.
Large events, like college/pro sports, plays, concerts, movie theaters, etc. didn't start happening for quite a while after that.

Speak for yourself. My kids were back in school in Sept 2020. In person. Like many places in the US. We moved from a stifling bubble that stay closed well into 2021, which was insane, but we made the right decision. Everywhere isn't like your corner of the woods. Large events were also ongoing. Remember Super Bowl 2021? Some of you have amnesia about how much was actually going on around you.

Around here it did not go back in September 2020 for public schools.
Superbowl 2021 was at more than SEVEN MONTHS after George Floyd was killed. You have trouble understanding a basic calendar.

Hmmm the World Series happened in 2020, college football went on in 2020... a lot happened. Just because your school district and neighborhood locked down hard doesn't mean everywhere did. But, you stayed inside afraid to go out so you have no idea what was happening everywhere else. There is no collective, nationwide trauma over this, which is why you're struggling to find acknowledgment.

Many colleges did NOT start their fall 2020 season, they did it in the spring instead. And many of the schools that did have fall football did not allow spectators at first.
Can you please tell me which college had fall football with full stadiums?

Oh, so we're moving the goal posts, first it never happened now we need to talk about the capacity at the stadiums. Look the world did not come to a standstill for years. These events happened and it didn't take quite awhile, everywhere. Things maybe came to a standstill in your area, but that's it.

No goal posts were moved. You’re making things up.

Ok. So you're back to your alternative reality that we locked down hard and nothing happened for 3 years. Plenty of events, happened you just weren't there to see them.

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Anonymous wrote:I got Covid for the first time, a month or so ago.

It bruised my ego. I thought I was one of the special few who would never get covid. Then I got it.

I recovered, and it's been fine. But my ego has never been the same.

I think you know it is silly to assign moral value to having Covid or the lack of it, so I will not flame you on this.

I'm not assigning moral value - I've lived my life 100% normally for the last 2.5 years, and probably did some "risky" things in the first year pre-vax (regular gym use, for example).

After a while, I thought I might have been genetically gifted or something! Nope, turns out I just hadn't met the right covid+ person to get infected by

I didn’t live my life normally out of necessity as DH and I have a recent history of cancer. He finish treatment as the pandemic began. I was diagnosed and started treatment during the pandemic. I will have cancer the rest of my life. So we were and still are very careful. Nonetheless, I also started to think that I might be immune as everyone else got it. Did I hit the lottery with a response to the vaccines? Could my Amazon KN95 masks really be that good? Was it all the gatherings I gave up or a genetic quirk?

We had a business dinner for DH recently. Three days later, I was ill and to my shock tested positive.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Maybe people realized they were doing too much. Too much nonsense. Too much filling their lives with meaningless people and activities that kept you busy but didn’t really enrich your life. I don’t have room, time or patience for low value people in my life anymore. Covid helped me realize who and what was really important to me.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Maybe people realized they were doing too much. Too much nonsense. Too much filling their lives with meaningless people and activities that kept you busy but didn’t really enrich your life. I don’t have room, time or patience for low value people in my life anymore. Covid helped me realize who and what was really important to me.

“Low value people?” “Meaningless people?” Way to live small.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of stuff just never restarted because of laziness. At my kids' ES alone, many field trips are not back yet, many of the assemblies/all-school gatherings are still not back, several grade-level musical performances are not back, field day and holiday celebrations are shadows of their former selves. None of this is due to fear of Covid. Its just shear laziness. Nobody can be bothered and its sad.

Same is true with neighborhood potlucks, wine clubs, poker clubs, book clubs, etc. Many aren't happening any more and the ones that are have a fraction of their former attendance. Again, not fear of Covid, just laziness and people's preference to just sit at home in their sweat pants. I'm not sure we will ever fully recover from that.

I have noticed the same and I agree. It seems like a fair number of people just don’t want to do anything anymore. It took the public libraries until literally LAST MONTH (September of 2023!) to get back to normal hours. I still don’t see as many preschool/little kid events there as I used to. There used to be a book club in my neighborhood, it stopped during Covid and never returned. The HOA used to put on a Christmas/holiday party - nothing big, just an indoor/outdoor thing at the clubhouse and in the parking lot, during the day for the kids to enjoy. Cancelled in 2020 and never returned.

It’s like we spent so long cooped up that we eventually came to prefer it + people are so burnt out after working and taking care of kids at the same time since schools and sometimes even day cares were closed, that no one has the energy to organize anything anymore.

Maybe people realized they were doing too much. Too much nonsense. Too much filling their lives with meaningless people and activities that kept you busy but didn’t really enrich your life. I don’t have room, time or patience for low value people in my life anymore. Covid helped me realize who and what was really important to me.

So, what do you do all the time? Stay home and only interact with your nuclear family? Sounds boring, but I’m guessing that you were always like this, so COVID didn’t change anything.