School Asking DC To Mask To Accomodate An Other

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This is ACPS.

This is for the entire school year. Something like 140 kids have to wear a mask all year for an undisclosed 'medical situation' of one kid.

I can't imagine some family telling 140 other families to wear masks whenever their kid is around in pre-Covid times. If this child is not healthy enough to go to school, the family should home school or find tutors. If it were for a week or two it'd be one thing, but to tell 140 kids they need to mask up again for an entire school year is too much. Plus most kids don't wear masks properly anyway. It's pointless. Sounds like a high drama family imposing their neurosis on everyone else.

Wow, something is seriously wrong with you if you are that uncaring.

ITS NOT ABOUT CARING. when will you weirdos get it through your head that a mask is not a symbol proving your morality.

I'm not the poster you are responding to but actually it is about caring. You act as if this is the first time society has been faced with trying to figure out how people who are different from each other can coexist together.


Obviously this would be much easier for all of us to Monday night quarterback if we knew what the medical situation was, but we don't. Try a little compassion and thinking about how we can coexist rather than everyone different from you needs to home school.

The point is that peer mask mandates are *ineffective.* A mask is not a way ro demonstrate compassion. And we do not give limitless accomodations for disabled students - my child IS disabled, and I know there are clear limits as to what I can expect other kids to have to do. And of course, your little self-righteous screed is based on the fiction that masking is easy and doesn’t impose any burdens. Which is not true.

Sadly I am too familiar with the limits of accommodations for students who need them. I also have a child for whom masking was very difficult and, IMO, had some delays as a result. It is possible to have experience on both sides of the masking debate.

I suppose surgeons in operating rooms wear masks because they are ineffective?

They wear them for droplets - sneezes and coughs - not because they block tiny airborne viruses like covid. Doctors are trained to sneeze directly at the surgical field bc the cough/sneeze goes out the side. It doesn’t contain it, it diverts it out away from the sterile field. The other benefit is to the surgeon if there is blowback of bodily fluids (again large droplets) from getting in their nose and nose. If a patient has something like TB, doctors are not just wearing surgical masks - we know that doesn’t stop transmission. Additionally there isn’t actually that much evidence it works - i would rather my surgeon reschedule the surgery than act like a mask would stop their germs from getting in and on me - esp airborne ones.

“Overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

Asking children to participate in a medical intervention we should follow the normal rules of medicine: “In order to advocate the validity of an intervention in medicine, it must satisfy three levels of evidence: efficacy, effectiveness and cost-effectiveness.”

The issue here is whether this is a reasonable accommodation for their peers to be mandated to mask in addition to effectiveness arguments. To look at it another way, should a deaf child be allowed to require no one masks near them including their teacher? Is that reasonable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

This is ACPS.

This is for the entire school year. Something like 140 kids have to wear a mask all year for an undisclosed 'medical situation' of one kid.

I can't imagine some family telling 140 other families to wear masks whenever their kid is around in pre-Covid times. If this child is not healthy enough to go to school, the family should home school or find tutors. If it were for a week or two it'd be one thing, but to tell 140 kids they need to mask up again for an entire school year is too much. Plus most kids don't wear masks properly anyway. It's pointless. Sounds like a high drama family imposing their neurosis on everyone else.

Wow, something is seriously wrong with you if you are that uncaring.

ITS NOT ABOUT CARING. when will you weirdos get it through your head that a mask is not a symbol proving your morality.

I'm not the poster you are responding to but actually it is about caring. You act as if this is the first time society has been faced with trying to figure out how people who are different from each other can coexist together.


Obviously this would be much easier for all of us to Monday night quarterback if we knew what the medical situation was, but we don't. Try a little compassion and thinking about how we can coexist rather than everyone different from you needs to home school.

The point is that peer mask mandates are *ineffective.* A mask is not a way ro demonstrate compassion. And we do not give limitless accomodations for disabled students - my child IS disabled, and I know there are clear limits as to what I can expect other kids to have to do. And of course, your little self-righteous screed is based on the fiction that masking is easy and doesn’t impose any burdens. Which is not true.

Sadly I am too familiar with the limits of accommodations for students who need them. I also have a child for whom masking was very difficult and, IMO, had some delays as a result. It is possible to have experience on both sides of the masking debate.

I suppose surgeons in operating rooms wear masks because they are ineffective?

So, your wishes Trump someone else's needs. You could work with your child to get used to them. Maybe your attitude is the problem. The simple solution is to ask out o that classroom. No need for drama. As a parent whose child needs accommodations its appalling your lack of concern for someone else's when you want your child's needs met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

This is ACPS.

This is for the entire school year. Something like 140 kids have to wear a mask all year for an undisclosed 'medical situation' of one kid.

During one class period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here.

This is ACPS.

This is for the entire school year. Something like 140 kids have to wear a mask all year for an undisclosed 'medical situation' of one kid.

I can't imagine some family telling 140 other families to wear masks whenever their kid is around in pre-Covid times. If this child is not healthy enough to go to school, the family should home school or find tutors. If it were for a week or two it'd be one thing, but to tell 140 kids they need to mask up again for an entire school year is too much. Plus most kids don't wear masks properly anyway. It's pointless. Sounds like a high drama family imposing their neurosis on everyone else.

Wow, something is seriously wrong with you if you are that uncaring.

ITS NOT ABOUT CARING. when will you weirdos get it through your head that a mask is not a symbol proving your morality.

I'm not the poster you are responding to but actually it is about caring. You act as if this is the first time society has been faced with trying to figure out how people who are different from each other can coexist together.


Obviously this would be much easier for all of us to Monday night quarterback if we knew what the medical situation was, but we don't. Try a little compassion and thinking about how we can coexist rather than everyone different from you needs to home school.

The point is that peer mask mandates are *ineffective.* A mask is not a way ro demonstrate compassion. And we do not give limitless accomodations for disabled students - my child IS disabled, and I know there are clear limits as to what I can expect other kids to have to do. And of course, your little self-righteous screed is based on the fiction that masking is easy and doesn’t impose any burdens. Which is not true.

Sadly I am too familiar with the limits of accommodations for students who need them. I also have a child for whom masking was very difficult and, IMO, had some delays as a result. It is possible to have experience on both sides of the masking debate.

I suppose surgeons in operating rooms wear masks because they are ineffective?

Is someone doing surgery in this child’s classroom?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be no big deal for my kid to wear a mask for an hour to help protect another kid's health. Win/win. Protect the other child and teach my kid to care about others.

That’s how we would handle this. I see this as an opportunity to teach our own children how to be good citizens. I say this as someone who happily ditched masks, too. I haven’t bought any in a very long time, but I would for this.

I doubt the school will face a scheduling nightmare. I’m confident plenty of families will see it from a similar perspective as mine.

Once again - a mask is (supposed to be) a health measure supported by evidence. Not an arena for you to prove your virtue. And of course archly disparage the kids who find masks stressful or uncomfortable, and interfering with communication.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got an email asking my child to wear a mask in a certain class becuse another child had a 'medical situation'. If we decline, DC will be moved to another class.

Am I wrong to be put off by this? A 'medical situation', without further explanation, could be anything between luekemia and being the child of one of those drama queens that won't let go of the mask because of the politics behind it. I won't force my kid to endure another year of masking to support the latter but I would bend over backwars to accomodate the former.

How do I go about answering the request?

I'm not sure why this requires crowdsourcing. It seems very simple. Is your child willing to wear a mask for one class or not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be no big deal for my kid to wear a mask for an hour to help protect another kid's health. Win/win. Protect the other child and teach my kid to care about others.

That’s how we would handle this. I see this as an opportunity to teach our own children how to be good citizens. I say this as someone who happily ditched masks, too. I haven’t bought any in a very long time, but I would for this.

I doubt the school will face a scheduling nightmare. I’m confident plenty of families will see it from a similar perspective as mine.

Once again - a mask is (supposed to be) a health measure supported by evidence. Not an arena for you to prove your virtue. And of course archly disparage the kids who find masks stressful or uncomfortable, and interfering with communication.

Yes, they are uncomfortable however, a decent person who cares would mask to make another child's difficult life slightly easier. I'd personally prefer that classroom.

[Anonymous]

From the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

"What are the implications for public health practice?

In addition to being up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection; a respirator offers the best protection."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be no big deal for my kid to wear a mask for an hour to help protect another kid's health. Win/win. Protect the other child and teach my kid to care about others.

That’s how we would handle this. I see this as an opportunity to teach our own children how to be good citizens. I say this as someone who happily ditched masks, too. I haven’t bought any in a very long time, but I would for this.

I doubt the school will face a scheduling nightmare. I’m confident plenty of families will see it from a similar perspective as mine.

Once again - a mask is (supposed to be) a health measure supported by evidence. Not an arena for you to prove your virtue. And of course archly disparage the kids who find masks stressful or uncomfortable, and interfering with communication.

Teacher here. Very few kids care about masks. Most don’t find them stressful or uncomfortable. Most have no problem communicating in them. It’s the parents who have assigned meaning to masks, and the rare times I had a student complain during Covid it was because they were parroting their parents. It wasn’t because they actually cared.

[Anonymous]

NIH:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8892938/

Interesting enough this states" However, children aged 7 to 13 years have been shown to be able to make accurate inferences about the emotions of others with partially covered faces"

[Anonymous]

Yes let’s keep putting the largest measures on children. Is this child going to go anywhere else? If so, making their classmates mask is performative at best and harmful at worst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be no big deal for my kid to wear a mask for an hour to help protect another kid's health. Win/win. Protect the other child and teach my kid to care about others.

That’s how we would handle this. I see this as an opportunity to teach our own children how to be good citizens. I say this as someone who happily ditched masks, too. I haven’t bought any in a very long time, but I would for this.

I doubt the school will face a scheduling nightmare. I’m confident plenty of families will see it from a similar perspective as mine.

Once again - a mask is (supposed to be) a health measure supported by evidence. Not an arena for you to prove your virtue. And of course archly disparage the kids who find masks stressful or uncomfortable, and interfering with communication.

Yes, they are uncomfortable however, a decent person who cares would mask to make another child's difficult life slightly easier. I'd personally prefer that classroom.

Once again - there is no evidence that a peer mask mandate will help this child. On the flip side you completely downplay the harms of masking. This is all about you demonstrating your goodness, not the actual facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be no big deal for my kid to wear a mask for an hour to help protect another kid's health. Win/win. Protect the other child and teach my kid to care about others.

That’s how we would handle this. I see this as an opportunity to teach our own children how to be good citizens. I say this as someone who happily ditched masks, too. I haven’t bought any in a very long time, but I would for this.

I doubt the school will face a scheduling nightmare. I’m confident plenty of families will see it from a similar perspective as mine.

Once again - a mask is (supposed to be) a health measure supported by evidence. Not an arena for you to prove your virtue. And of course archly disparage the kids who find masks stressful or uncomfortable, and interfering with communication.

Teacher here. Very few kids care about masks. Most don’t find them stressful or uncomfortable. Most have no problem communicating in them. It’s the parents who have assigned meaning to masks, and the rare times I had a student complain during Covid it was because they were parroting their parents. It wasn’t because they actually cared.

wrong. I never said anything to my kid about masks, and he on his own told me he never wanted to wear them again. and the masks definitely impacted classroom behavior and instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NIH:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8892938/

Interesting enough this states" However, children aged 7 to 13 years have been shown to be able to make accurate inferences about the emotions of others with partially covered faces"

the actual finding is “ Thus, across all emotions, children were less accurate with faces that wore a mask compared to faces that were not covered.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be no big deal for my kid to wear a mask for an hour to help protect another kid's health. Win/win. Protect the other child and teach my kid to care about others.

That’s how we would handle this. I see this as an opportunity to teach our own children how to be good citizens. I say this as someone who happily ditched masks, too. I haven’t bought any in a very long time, but I would for this.

I doubt the school will face a scheduling nightmare. I’m confident plenty of families will see it from a similar perspective as mine.

Once again - a mask is (supposed to be) a health measure supported by evidence. Not an arena for you to prove your virtue. And of course archly disparage the kids who find masks stressful or uncomfortable, and interfering with communication.

Teacher here. Very few kids care about masks. Most don’t find them stressful or uncomfortable. Most have no problem communicating in them. It’s the parents who have assigned meaning to masks, and the rare times I had a student complain during Covid it was because they were parroting their parents. It wasn’t because they actually cared.

wrong. I never said anything to my kid about masks, and he on his own told me he never wanted to wear them again. and the masks definitely impacted classroom behavior and instruction.

I’m guessing you are making your assumptions of zero time in schools and classrooms. Students may not WANT to wear masks, but most really didn’t care. The students who were most vocal and angry about it had parents who were vocal and angry. I’m guessing your child simply mirrored your feelings. I saw it over and over for two years.