Compensatory Services

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Anonymous wrote:I can tell you it is designed to break the backs of the entire FCPS SpEd apparatus, from administration to teachers. If OCR wanted to "help" students by doing this, I think they took the wrong route.

This is my fear. At our IEP meeting I said I think they are going to burn out at the SPED teachers with this and I do not need a meeting. I said if they offer something for X issue (my child's academic issue), please feel free to email and we can communicate that way, but the SPED teachers work enough already.

I’m a teacher. My department chair is a teacher and her husband is a sped teacher in FCPS. When this came out he spent 6 hours alone poring over the IEPs of kids he doesn’t even teach anymore to do all this shit. Been doing elementary sped for 10 years and this has pushed him to thinking it’s time to leave. Sped teachers cannot teach, manage a current caseload, AND go back and redo and provide compensatory services for kids they haven’t taught in 3 years. It’s inhumane.

Six hours is really not THAT big of a burden.

I think how “difficult” this is for teachers is being overblown.

He did it in ONE night. That is not a one off effort. It’s a massive burden on already overloaded sped teachers and it will decimate sped in FCPS.

One night of extra work (even if it’s 6 hours) will hardly “decimate” anyone, let alone an entire system.

Are you dense? I just said it isn’t a one off. This will be hours and hours of additional work for kids not even on his caseload anymore. That was 6 hours, one time. It didn’t cover even a fraction of what he has to do to provide the compensatory services. You are only making yourself look like an idiot by acting as if this is not hardly any work at all for the sped teachers. It is a TON on top of their current caseloads and classes they have to teach for it and all has to be done on nights and weekends essentially because there’s already no time in the day for what’s on their plates. Sped teachers are SO overloaded that it’s almost baffling how you’re gonna pretend this isn’t a big deal to dump on their plates in addition

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should give out a flat amount per student for the years and let the parents spend it as needed

Not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone explain:

1) Why did FCPS sign this voluntary agreement?

2) Why was FCPS singled out for an OCR investigation? What happened in FCPS to special education students from 2020-2022 was not terribly unique.

I do not understand the dynamic and politics of the settlement at all.

They picked a few large school districts in the US for this investigation. School districts all over the US did WAAAAAAY less than FCPS did but because we're big and always in the news, we got singled out. FCPS was following the guidance they were given by VDOE but someone decided that wasn't good enough.

where is this data? it is hard to do less than nothing.

Yeah, okay...the teachers did nothing. My kids were online every, single day with their teachers learning the curriculum. My child who receives special education services was pulled into small groups online just like she would have been had she been in person. She got her accommodations and she got instruction. You people who keep saying the teachers did nothing are flat out lying. I simply do not believe you. I understand that some related services such as speech and OT got the shaft, particularly since it's hard to provide those services virtually. But do not lie and say your kid literally got no instruction for a year.

I think they are referring to receiving no ‘special Ed’ services for a whole year. No pullouts, no 1 on 1s, no small groups. This did happen to my DC.

I’d be willing to bet at least half of the people saying their children received no instruction really mean “my kid didn’t want to sit/logon to virtual school and instead of forcing the issue/monitoring them during school time I just threw my hands up”.

Maybe, their parents had jobs.

Millions of parents all across the workforce had jobs and their kids participated in their required public education via DL during the pandemic. Yes, even many kids with SN.

Next excuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

Oh, honey. You won’t be “LOL”-ing next year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

Oh, honey. You won’t be “LOL”-ing next year.

Yawn.

This is what was said in 2020, 2021 and 2022.

Teachers need new talking points. The old “WE’RE ALL LEAVING” can only be shouted so many times before parents and community members start rolling their eyes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

Oh, honey. You won’t be “LOL”-ing next year.

Yawn.

This is what was said in 2020, 2021 and 2022.

Teachers need new talking points. The old “WE’RE ALL LEAVING” can only be shouted so many times before parents and community members start rolling their eyes.

We are lucky, our child's school has not seen a lot of Teachers leaving but the Admin has been stable, the parents are involved, and the classes tend to be under 25 kids. We are a MC/UMC school that doesn't have many of the bigger issues that I hear about at other schools. I have plenty of Teacher friends at Title 1 schools or near Title 1 schools who tell me about the discipline issues and the time spent covering for classrooms with no Teachers.

You can roll your eyes all that you want but plenty of schools see this happening and anyone who has a SPED kid knows that this is happening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

My kid that is propping up YOUR numbers for high performing students. It isn't the education being received but the extra work we and others do to fill those gaps. And you know it.

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Anonymous wrote:We heard at our IEP meeting that evening and weekend compensatory hours were available from non-FCPS teachers. No one is making teachers do this work.

Who do you think is combing through the IEPs from the last few years and holding extra meetings on top of the already way-too-full
schedules? What services are being provided to the students while the teachers are dealing with this? They can’t teach and do this at the same time.

Aside from pay, which I agree should be more, what do you suggest? Not provide IEPs? Additional services? Or outsource it altogether?

I'm one of the Special Ed teachers who responded upthread. Central Office should be handling all of it with the possible exception of delivering services. I'd be a lot more willing to provide the compensatory services myself if I had time. I don't, because of all the extra paperwork and meetings I'm now required to handle.

That's fair. But, another question: Central Office folks are not going to know these kids and their needs. So would that be most helpful to the kids? I hear what you're saying and it sounds like an excellent option on its face. I'm just not sure how it would work in practice?

Sorry to post again so soon. A big part of the time suck is just gathering and inputting all the information from various data sources. You have to get test scores from all over the place, get attendance records, get TLPs, look at progress reports, and then put those numbers onto a spreadsheet. Then you have to figure out how much time from school the student missed and how many hours of services they didn't receive when they were virtual. It's not hard but it takes a ton of time. I don't see a reason why Central Office couldn't do this part. I'm being asked to do it for students who I've never met because I wasn't at the same school during Covid. I also think Central Office could make a lot of the clear cut yes or no decisions based on the data. If a student attended virtual school regularly, passed grade level tests since returning, shows no regression and the parents don't want compensatory services, note the file and be done with it. If a student is visually impaired and has Level 3 autism and the parents had to hire someone to come sit 1:1 with them to access virtual instruction and want reimbursement, Central Office is going to be getting involved anyway.

This is a helpful explanation/response. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

OH dear me- get the smelling salts a bad name for teachers- the HORROR!

Of COURSE PP didn’t say anything about paddling. I was using the literary technique of exaggeration. The anger towards schools and teachers was evident: “Plan on presenting receipts”even though they know any services that will be offered will be “no good.” The poster also opened with an attempt to shame the teacher they replied to, “ That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job.”

For my kid, I was lucky and I was able to take a year off from teaching for virtual. We missed out on thousands of dollars so I could be home with my SPED kid, so I do understand the sacrifice. I don’t really need to get acclaim, recognition or punish someone for it, it was an emergency situation and my family did the best we could, as did yours and the PPs. In PPs post, they seemed to need this validation and are seeking to blame someone for their anger.

A+. To them! For their kid
D- for understanding their emotions and needing to take out anger for a situation that sucked on someone else. It isn’t even like this person was looking for help, just looking to vent anger. Grow up. Be in control of you, stop looking to blame someone. Blame never sticks to higher ups, it only sticks to the front line. Misogyny and racism dictate who get to be the higher ups.

LOL. What are you babbling about? I'd respond but have no idea what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

OH dear me- get the smelling salts a bad name for teachers- the HORROR!

Of COURSE PP didn’t say anything about paddling. I was using the literary technique of exaggeration. The anger towards schools and teachers was evident: “Plan on presenting receipts”even though they know any services that will be offered will be “no good.” The poster also opened with an attempt to shame the teacher they replied to, “ That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job.”

For my kid, I was lucky and I was able to take a year off from teaching for virtual. We missed out on thousands of dollars so I could be home with my SPED kid, so I do understand the sacrifice. I don’t really need to get acclaim, recognition or punish someone for it, it was an emergency situation and my family did the best we could, as did yours and the PPs. In PPs post, they seemed to need this validation and are seeking to blame someone for their anger.

A+. To them! For their kid
D- for understanding their emotions and needing to take out anger for a situation that sucked on someone else. It isn’t even like this person was looking for help, just looking to vent anger. Grow up. Be in control of you, stop looking to blame someone. Blame never sticks to higher ups, it only sticks to the front line. Misogyny and racism dictate who get to be the higher ups.

LOL. What are you babbling about? I'd respond but have no idea what you're trying to say.

NP. You are wrong about that one. Your post is what doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

Teachers have been complaining for 40 years. We get it- we hear you- you have the hardest job in the world. So please go get another one and see how the rest of us live. It is hard to have a job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

Teachers have been complaining for 40 years. We get it- we hear you- you have the hardest job in the world. So please go get another one and see how the rest of us live. It is hard to have a job.

lol, I did. There's a reason I didn't go back to teaching. I'm paid double to do half the work in my corporate position. I actually get weekends with my family now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe teachers should direct their irritation about compensatory services toward their leadership? Parents didn’t make the directive that they didn’t have to teach special kids.

I taught special ed kids. Every day during the virtual learning year. This lawsuit even covers the year we were fully back in person. And requires us to spend hours combing through old data and hold second iep meetings for literally every special education student in our building before June. It's almost impossible to get through all the meetings in a regular year but now we have to do it twice. OCR has lost there ever loving minds.

That is nice that you taught special kids when it was your job but many schools took away services. It happened to us. We were fortunate to be able to go to a private tutor- it was expensive but the teacher was fantastic and our child made massive improvements. It was worth it but it was expensive.

I have no expectations that the FCPS compensatory services will be good so we are not doing them but we are submitting our expenses for the time we paid for the private tutor. We probably won’t get paid back but I want someone to see the cost.

Ok: wow- that was really expensive. You really helped your kid by paying all that money. You really love him! A+ for parenting. Bad school. Bad teacher. Bad emergency response. Bad bad scared teachers.

Does that help? What you are saying is you are angry and want acknowledgement because you can’t handle it. You want the teaching profession to pay. We got it. At this point it is like give us the paddling you think all those horrible lazy women teachers deserve and move on with picking up the pieces. The misogyny that is inherent in the lack of respect teachers and nurses are feeling right now is incredible. So abisive. You need to be heard so make women do more work- got it.

Stop. First of all, yes it IS A+ parenting and one that schools and everyone in it should be thankful.
This poster said nothing about "bad teachers" or paddling. But the fact is, lots of parents DID have to PAY to fill that gap. We were happy do so, as well. But don't you dare complain about those parents who did so and picked up where the schools left off. And your screed only gives teachers a bad name.

The “schools should be thankful?” Please. It’s YOUR KID.

Major problem in this county....entitlement of you owe me and my kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that gatehouse staff should be doing the paperwork and meetings. This was a systemic failure and should be handled out of gatehouse not indovodual teachers.

+ a million-teachers are DONE. this has finished a lot of SPED teachers. Good luck next year with your resident teachers.

Okay. I’m still waiting for the resignations that we’ve been hearing about since 2020 to actually occur.

After a while this kind of shrill argument loses its effectiveness. Lol.

You must not have a kid in school….?

Look at the data. There has been no mass exodus of teachers. Period.

And with a recession looming, I don’t see them starting to leave now.

LOL