New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

It’s fine. It sounds like you have an expectation of going fast all the time without stopping. That’s not how transportation works around here. Sometimes you have to slow down and sometimes you have to wait your turn.

It's fine, in a parallel universe that is not the real world, where people have to step off the path to let others on foot pass, all the time.

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I think all the cut outs for cars pulling onto other roads and highway on ramps may turn into a problem of the bikes stents paying attention and the drivers don’t check their passenger side mirror.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

It’s fine. It sounds like you have an expectation of going fast all the time without stopping. That’s not how transportation works around here. Sometimes you have to slow down and sometimes you have to wait your turn.

It's fine, in a parallel universe that is not the real world, where people have to step off the path to let others on foot pass, all the time.

Reset your expectations for mobility in this area and you’ll be a happier person and less prone to road rage.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

It’s fine. It sounds like you have an expectation of going fast all the time without stopping. That’s not how transportation works around here. Sometimes you have to slow down and sometimes you have to wait your turn.

It's fine, in a parallel universe that is not the real world, where people have to step off the path to let others on foot pass, all the time.

Reset your expectations for mobility in this area and you’ll be a happier person and less prone to road rage.

Cyclists please feel free to reset your expectations for mobility as well. Use trails and paths whenever possible. Exercise basic common sense. The world does not revolve around only you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but those bike lanes are making Old Georgetown a complete cluster f***. Doubled the length of my commute this morning.

They need to do bike lanes that do not take away lanes for cars. It's not a zero-sum game, they need to add without taking away something

Bike lanes don't make your commute a cluster, other cars and drivers do.

Really? The traffic the taken lane is causing is crazy. And I have not seen a single bike for ever. So we created a lot of congestion for nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, but those bike lanes are making Old Georgetown a complete cluster f***. Doubled the length of my commute this morning.

They need to do bike lanes that do not take away lanes for cars. It's not a zero-sum game, they need to add without taking away something

Bike lanes don't make your commute a cluster, other cars and drivers do.

Really? The traffic the taken lane is causing is crazy. And I have not seen a single bike for ever. So we created a lot of congestion for nothing.

The good news is that good bike infrastructure on a road increases the number of people who bike on that road. Also, when you're driving, please look out for people on bikes. There's way too much "I didn't see them"/"They came out of nowhere". It's like a person is invisible unless they're in a car.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

And? You SHARE the trail with OTHER users. Just like a road! That’s how it works, Lance.

If there was no traffic except for me on the beltway I could do laps on it at 165mph! But it doesn’t work like that. Neither do bike trails.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

And? You SHARE the trail with OTHER users. Just like a road! That’s how it works, Lance.

If there was no traffic except for me on the beltway I could do laps on it at 165mph! But it doesn’t work like that. Neither do bike trails.

Ha. This entire thread is drivers complaining they don't want to share only two lanes with other drivers

[Anonymous]

The utilization of bike lanes is dependent on a network effect. The lanes on OGR are absurd because they only go a little ways, and then you have the "Trolley Sidewalk" next to NIH, and then when you get to downtown, I guess they expect you to take the Trolley Trail by the storm water pond, across Battery Lane, etc. This might make sense on paper, but people just want to ride down OGR from Democracy to Wisconsin. By adding one little section, the County / State have just annoyed drivers. The County either needs to commit or not. The half-measures annoy everyone, and if anything make it less safe for cyclists who "run out of lane" and then have to choose between a four-lane freeway and a hazardous no-median sidewalk.

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Anonymous wrote:The utilization of bike lanes is dependent on a network effect. The lanes on OGR are absurd because they only go a little ways, and then you have the "Trolley Sidewalk" next to NIH, and then when you get to downtown, I guess they expect you to take the Trolley Trail by the storm water pond, across Battery Lane, etc. This might make sense on paper, but people just want to ride down OGR from Democracy to Wisconsin. By adding one little section, the County / State have just annoyed drivers. The County either needs to commit or not. The half-measures annoy everyone, and if anything make it less safe for cyclists who "run out of lane" and then have to choose between a four-lane freeway and a hazardous no-median sidewalk.

Your "one little section" goes all the way from Nicholson Lane to Alta Vista Road. Also, they will go north from Nicholson to 355, as part of the White Flint project. Though yes, they should also go all the way to downtown Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

And? You SHARE the trail with OTHER users. Just like a road! That’s how it works, Lance.

If there was no traffic except for me on the beltway I could do laps on it at 165mph! But it doesn’t work like that. Neither do bike trails.

Ha. This entire thread is drivers complaining they don't want to share only two lanes with other drivers

Also, drivers complaining about bicyclists riding side by side (the nerve of them!), as though they didn't know that cars have a passenger seat side by side with the driver's seat. Although most cars on the road only have one person in them at any given time, so maybe that's why those complainers aren't thinking about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Also about the bike lanes on University Avenue: like on Old Georgetown Road, the bike lanes also helped people who were walking on the sidewalk or waiting for buses, because of the separation from high-speed cars from the sidewalk. And also because they reduced speeding.

And despite these benefits, they were removed because the community requested it because they believed that the costs outweighed these benefits.

"The community" didn't request removal of the bike lanes. Many people in "the community" supported them. Some people in "the community" did not, because yes, they believed their wait time for turning right was more important than the general safety of everyone on University Boulevard.

As someone who lives nearby, I found those lanes a bit confusing. I never knew whether I was supposed to move into the bike lane to make a right hand turn or make the turn from the right-most driving lane (i.e., the middle lane). I saw cars doing it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it not on Wisconsin?

Agreed, Wisconsin/Rockville Pike also needs bike lanes. In addition, the bike lanes on Old Georgetown should go all the way into downtown Bethesda.

You dna hop onto the existing bike lane at the trolley trail south of NIH or the grant road bike path of you’re going to the newer part of bethesda.

I really wish people would stop with the Trolley Trail. If I'm on a bike, and the Trolley Trail can reasonably get me where I want to go, then I take the Trolley Trail. If it can't, then I take a different route. It's the same decision-making process as when I'm driving. If I'm going from downtown Bethesda to Rockledge, for example, I am not going to take the Trolley Trail, because it won't get me there. You know what will get me there? Old Georgetown Road.

Hey, I’m a supporter of the bike lines on OGR but I was trying to help. If you are going to the old part of bethesda — eg woodmont — the best way is to get off OGR south of NIH and take the trolley trail over. If you are gojng yo metro or to bethesda row, get off OGR at green tree and take the grant road bike trail south from green tree. Those are both more direct than OGR.

That's the best way currently, because that section of OGR near downtown Bethesda is unsafe to bike on currently (though people do it, mostly on the sidewalk). There is nothing direct about the NIH trail between Suburban and Rugby Avenue, and it's also too narrow for walkers and dogs to share comfortably with bicyclists. Bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road would provide a better option.

By “too narrow to share comfortably” I think you meant to say you don’t like slowing down for other people.

Have you been on the trail? It's six feet wide, maybe. A standard sidewalk. Not even wide enough for groups of people walking side by side, or people with multiple dogs, let alone bicyclists too, at any speed. Take a break from your anti-"cyclist" bigotry.

And? You SHARE the trail with OTHER users. Just like a road! That’s how it works, Lance.

If there was no traffic except for me on the beltway I could do laps on it at 165mph! But it doesn’t work like that. Neither do bike trails.

The NIH path is not a bike trail, just like a sidewalk isn't a bike trail. It's interesting that you call it a "bike trail" though.

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Anonymous wrote:Also about the bike lanes on University Avenue: like on Old Georgetown Road, the bike lanes also helped people who were walking on the sidewalk or waiting for buses, because of the separation from high-speed cars from the sidewalk. And also because they reduced speeding.

And despite these benefits, they were removed because the community requested it because they believed that the costs outweighed these benefits.

"The community" didn't request removal of the bike lanes. Many people in "the community" supported them. Some people in "the community" did not, because yes, they believed their wait time for turning right was more important than the general safety of everyone on University Boulevard.

As someone who lives nearby, I found those lanes a bit confusing. I never knew whether I was supposed to move into the bike lane to make a right hand turn or make the turn from the right-most driving lane (i.e., the middle lane). I saw cars doing it both ways.

"Before making a right turn merge fully into the bike lane when a bike lane is present. Be sure to merge safely ahead of or behind the cyclist."

https://www.hagerstownmd.org/DocumentCenter/View/2786/On-Road-Together_Driver-br?bidId=

This should be covered in Driver's Ed. It would be great if drivers had to take a test at every license renewal, to make sure that everybody knows/remembers these things.

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Anonymous wrote:The utilization of bike lanes is dependent on a network effect. The lanes on OGR are absurd because they only go a little ways, and then you have the "Trolley Sidewalk" next to NIH, and then when you get to downtown, I guess they expect you to take the Trolley Trail by the storm water pond, across Battery Lane, etc. This might make sense on paper, but people just want to ride down OGR from Democracy to Wisconsin. By adding one little section, the County / State have just annoyed drivers. The County either needs to commit or not. The half-measures annoy everyone, and if anything make it less safe for cyclists who "run out of lane" and then have to choose between a four-lane freeway and a hazardous no-median sidewalk.

I guess you’ve been privileged enough to never have to make turns when you’re going somewhere but most of do have to use more than one path, road or sidewalk to get where we want to go, whether we’re biking, walking, or driving. Most people just understand that the transportation infrastructure wasn’t built solely for our benefit and adjust. When your route isn’t direct, embrace the extra exercise. If you’re struggling, hit the weight room and lay off the craft beer.