Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

Because teachers complain the most! You don't hear nurses complaining nearly as often as teachers do and they don't get snow days off. Maybe people could be more sympathetic if teachers were not complaining ALL THE TIME.

Am I complaining? No. Don’t confuse educating with complaining.

Teachers are increasingly vocal about our working conditions because they need to change. I’m covering another teacher’s classes 4 days a week because she quit, like many before her. So many are quitting, and nobody wants to join us in the classroom. Why is that? Perhaps because the word is out that this is a disrespected profession. You seem to be content adding to that. Would you prefer that we silently martyr ourselves, or is it okay with you if we vocalize our needs? I wouldn’t disparage another profession for speaking up.

Every time there’s a thread saying something like “my kid’s teacher misspells words repeatedly” there are always a bunch of posts essentially saying that we can’t and shouldn’t expect any better. That’s why teachers are disrespected. They need to act like professionals to be treated like professionals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

That's because they don't need it. Only people with crappy jobs need unions.

Biglaw is a horrible job. You think they don’t have unions because they don’t need it?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

Because teachers complain the most! You don't hear nurses complaining nearly as often as teachers do and they don't get snow days off. Maybe people could be more sympathetic if teachers were not complaining ALL THE TIME.

Am I complaining? No. Don’t confuse educating with complaining.

Teachers are increasingly vocal about our working conditions because they need to change. I’m covering another teacher’s classes 4 days a week because she quit, like many before her. So many are quitting, and nobody wants to join us in the classroom. Why is that? Perhaps because the word is out that this is a disrespected profession. You seem to be content adding to that. Would you prefer that we silently martyr ourselves, or is it okay with you if we vocalize our needs? I wouldn’t disparage another profession for speaking up.

Every time there’s a thread saying something like “my kid’s teacher misspells words repeatedly” there are always a bunch of posts essentially saying that we can’t and shouldn’t expect any better. That’s why teachers are disrespected. They need to act like professionals to be treated like professionals.

Posts by teachers? This is DCUM. It’s anonymous. Surely you aren’t basing any of your opinions and beliefs off this site.

I’ve learned that disrespectful people disrespect teachers. Well-intentioned people do not. Fortunately for you, I’ll continue to do my best for your child regardless of the nastiness you throw my way. I’m a professional, after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

That's because they don't need it. Only people with crappy jobs need unions.

Uh huh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former teacher. My perspective is 1) teachers underestimate how overworked everyone else is. They think they’re uniquely working unpaid overtime when just about anyone in a salaried role is feeling the same pressure, especially if they want to be regarded as good as their job. Same as teachers. 2) A ton of this, teachers bring on themselves. Take decorating rooms. No one is making them do that. You choose to go blow $200 at Michaels and then spend a weekend taping kitschy crap to the walls.

you're not a teacher so just stop

I absolutely will not. Usually what these discussions need most is perspective from people who have been both in the classroom and in the private sector.

At the end of the day I quit teaching because it wasn’t a good gig. I have a lot of sympathy for teachers on that. For me, it was the emotional exhaustion. Not the lack of breaks (they were downright luxurious compared to private sector) or total comp/benefits (also better than many teachers seem to realize when compared to private sector) but the absolute bottomless pit of emotional drain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

It depends on the summer workshop. It certainly isn’t “time and a half” pay. Sometimes, you don’t get paid for summer trainings at all.

Some of my cousins and a few friends are nurses and they get paid overtime. Are nurses not professionals? My daughter doesn’t paid overtime, but she gets comp time off and I’d rather have that even more than overtime pay.

You do realize that professional white collar workers don’t ever get overtime, much less time and a half?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

And? Are you setting yourself on fire to keep DCUM warm?

This truly comes from a place of kindness. You have the flexibility to do less, and you should make that work for you. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I don’t know how that kind of type A balls to the wall gunning wouldn’t burn out anyone. Really zoom out and stop and think about your practices and figure out how you can cut back on your quality of work to improve your quality of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

And? Are you setting yourself on fire to keep DCUM warm?

This truly comes from a place of kindness. You have the flexibility to do less, and you should make that work for you. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I don’t know how that kind of type A balls to the wall gunning wouldn’t burn out anyone. Really zoom out and stop and think about your practices and figure out how you can cut back on your quality of work to improve your quality of life.

No, I won’t. I’m a parent, too, and I know what I want for my own children. I want them to have well-planned lessons, quick and meaningful feedback on assignments, etc. Our kids deserve it. Trust me: you want your child in my class. My students make great progress in 10 months, and they enjoy the process. I am proud of what I do. Teaching is an art and I do it well.

The day I back off and give less than my best is the day I quit. This is not a job in which one can perform the minimum. Yes, I will burn out and leave like the many amazing teachers I’ve watched leave in the past few years. They were amazing, too, but they would not lower their standards.

This nation will come to its senses at some point and provide teachers with time to work. By then, the good teachers will have burned out and left. Is that okay? No. Heck, my own kids will suffer. Unfortunately, that’s what it is going to take before we change the culture of teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

And? Are you setting yourself on fire to keep DCUM warm?

This truly comes from a place of kindness. You have the flexibility to do less, and you should make that work for you. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I don’t know how that kind of type A balls to the wall gunning wouldn’t burn out anyone. Really zoom out and stop and think about your practices and figure out how you can cut back on your quality of work to improve your quality of life.

No, I won’t. I’m a parent, too, and I know what I want for my own children. I want them to have well-planned lessons, quick and meaningful feedback on assignments, etc. Our kids deserve it. Trust me: you want your child in my class. My students make great progress in 10 months, and they enjoy the process. I am proud of what I do. Teaching is an art and I do it well.

The day I back off and give less than my best is the day I quit. This is not a job in which one can perform the minimum. Yes, I will burn out and leave like the many amazing teachers I’ve watched leave in the past few years. They were amazing, too, but they would not lower their standards.

This nation will come to its senses at some point and provide teachers with time to work. By then, the good teachers will have burned out and left. Is that okay? No. Heck, my own kids will suffer. Unfortunately, that’s what it is going to take before we change the culture of teaching.

Okay well just remember. You are choosing this. Our cultural choice is to give you the time to do less and lower quality. You won’t. Fine. But that’s 100% on you. You think that the problem is that we are choosing not you give you enough time, but the fact is that we are choosing not to ask for enough quality (from your perspective).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

And? Are you setting yourself on fire to keep DCUM warm?

This truly comes from a place of kindness. You have the flexibility to do less, and you should make that work for you. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I don’t know how that kind of type A balls to the wall gunning wouldn’t burn out anyone. Really zoom out and stop and think about your practices and figure out how you can cut back on your quality of work to improve your quality of life.

No, I won’t. I’m a parent, too, and I know what I want for my own children. I want them to have well-planned lessons, quick and meaningful feedback on assignments, etc. Our kids deserve it. Trust me: you want your child in my class. My students make great progress in 10 months, and they enjoy the process. I am proud of what I do. Teaching is an art and I do it well.

The day I back off and give less than my best is the day I quit. This is not a job in which one can perform the minimum. Yes, I will burn out and leave like the many amazing teachers I’ve watched leave in the past few years. They were amazing, too, but they would not lower their standards.

This nation will come to its senses at some point and provide teachers with time to work. By then, the good teachers will have burned out and left. Is that okay? No. Heck, my own kids will suffer. Unfortunately, that’s what it is going to take before we change the culture of teaching.

I think you overestimate the American people.

Listen I teach AP classes and my kids earn great scores. I work no more than 40 hours per week, and try to keep it to 35. Private school. Consider your options.

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https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

And? Are you setting yourself on fire to keep DCUM warm?

This truly comes from a place of kindness. You have the flexibility to do less, and you should make that work for you. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I don’t know how that kind of type A balls to the wall gunning wouldn’t burn out anyone. Really zoom out and stop and think about your practices and figure out how you can cut back on your quality of work to improve your quality of life.

No, I won’t. I’m a parent, too, and I know what I want for my own children. I want them to have well-planned lessons, quick and meaningful feedback on assignments, etc. Our kids deserve it. Trust me: you want your child in my class. My students make great progress in 10 months, and they enjoy the process. I am proud of what I do. Teaching is an art and I do it well.

The day I back off and give less than my best is the day I quit. This is not a job in which one can perform the minimum. Yes, I will burn out and leave like the many amazing teachers I’ve watched leave in the past few years. They were amazing, too, but they would not lower their standards.

This nation will come to its senses at some point and provide teachers with time to work. By then, the good teachers will have burned out and left. Is that okay? No. Heck, my own kids will suffer. Unfortunately, that’s what it is going to take before we change the culture of teaching.

I think you overestimate the American people.

Listen I teach AP classes and my kids earn great scores. I work no more than 40 hours per week, and try to keep it to 35. Private school. Consider your options.

How many work hours a week do you get for planning and grading? How many AP students do you teach? Is your particular AP class writing-intensive? Do your students come into your class already prepared, or is there a lot of catch-up that you have to do to get these great scores?

Not all situations are equal. I’d like to think my students deserve me, too. I appreciate that the American public, according to the other poster, is happy with me phoning it in. I’m not.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Largely because people in the private sector work far more hours.

The "extra hours for free" and "unpaid overtime" comments make me roll my eyes. Do teachers realize that other professionals are classified as "exempt" and do not get paid overtime? "Overtime" is a concept for non-exempt employees.

Oh, and summers? MCPS pays teachers for spending time on workshops, etc. Is that not "overtime"?

Back to add, and union protection? Other professionals do not have this.

Sigh. Most teachers here are simply asking people to respect that they also work long hours. They aren’t all suggesting that YOU don’t also work long hours. Is it so hard to acknowledge that some teachers work nights? Weekends? What does it take away from you to acknowledge that? What do you gain by picking on teachers? I’d really like to know.

Also, not everything on this thread is about MCPS. My district doesn’t pay for my summer workshops. Sometimes I even have to pay. As for the union, get rid of it! Please! It doesn’t do much to protect me and clearly it doesn’t bargain better conditions.

Because even if they do work those hours (many don’t) they don’t work the 50 weeks a year which a lot working parents do. The teachers at my kids school work 39 weeks a year. If you annualized all the claimed overtime and weekends you are claiming they work, I doubt you will get 11 additional work weeks to out them in par with the 50 weekers .

Okay. Again: why discourage and insult the many of us who DO work hard? Why can’t you simply say, “welcome to the club of people who work many hours. We see you.”

I’ve posted here before. I work 60-hour weeks on average. It tops 70 or 75 when major assessments are submitted, which is about once a month. I get 7 weeks for summer, 3 of which are used doing minimally paid or unpaid workshops or curriculum-writing sessions. These are 40 hour weeks. I get one month for summer. As for the school year, I get a total of 12 days of leave (personal and sick). My work days are go-go-go-go-go. There’s no chance for an hour break to catch up if I am behind. I’m not complaining. I’m merely explaining, although I’m guessing your erroneous beliefs about teachers are pretty set in stone.

I’m not alone. 80% of my department has turned over in recent years. #1 reason for leaving is not pay. It’s workload. The National teacher shortage? Also based on workload.

Perhaps some teachers have it easy. I’m willing to bet there are people at your place of work who don’t work nearly as hard as you.

Again: what harm is it to you? Is there a limited amount of space in the “I work hard” club?

You are, very literally, doing too much. Figure out how to half-ass more and get to half-assing.

But if I do that, I’ll be torn apart on the “my child’s teacher doesn’t return work” thread.

And? Are you setting yourself on fire to keep DCUM warm?

This truly comes from a place of kindness. You have the flexibility to do less, and you should make that work for you. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I don’t know how that kind of type A balls to the wall gunning wouldn’t burn out anyone. Really zoom out and stop and think about your practices and figure out how you can cut back on your quality of work to improve your quality of life.

No, I won’t. I’m a parent, too, and I know what I want for my own children. I want them to have well-planned lessons, quick and meaningful feedback on assignments, etc. Our kids deserve it. Trust me: you want your child in my class. My students make great progress in 10 months, and they enjoy the process. I am proud of what I do. Teaching is an art and I do it well.

The day I back off and give less than my best is the day I quit. This is not a job in which one can perform the minimum. Yes, I will burn out and leave like the many amazing teachers I’ve watched leave in the past few years. They were amazing, too, but they would not lower their standards.

This nation will come to its senses at some point and provide teachers with time to work. By then, the good teachers will have burned out and left. Is that okay? No. Heck, my own kids will suffer. Unfortunately, that’s what it is going to take before we change the culture of teaching.

I think you overestimate the American people.

Listen I teach AP classes and my kids earn great scores. I work no more than 40 hours per week, and try to keep it to 35. Private school. Consider your options.

How many work hours a week do you get for planning and grading? How many AP students do you teach? Is your particular AP class writing-intensive? Do your students come into your class already prepared, or is there a lot of catch-up that you have to do to get these great scores?

Not all situations are equal. I’d like to think my students deserve me, too. I appreciate that the American public, according to the other poster, is happy with me phoning it in. I’m not.

It’s an AP history class so yes, quite a lot of writing. Prepared for class? Some but lots are not.

I probably get about 8 hours per week to plan and grade. And I will do 2-3 hours on weekends when needed. That’s a key difference.

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Teachers- you need to revolt against your unions (I say this as someone in a union) Either they do something for you and get better working conditions or you get rid of them and the good counties will. I know administrators would love to have more control over pay.

I personally want an overhaul of the entire educational system.