What really IS the point of AAP?

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Anonymous wrote:My child had 99% percentile IQ, perfect GBRS, amazing grades, and didn’t get into AAP until this year (Grade 4 into 5th.) Center school. High income neighborhood.

Asian?

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Anonymous wrote:AAP is not for high school. It's for ES kids who do not need but really do better in a faster paced and/or deeper classroom.

It's also for the kids who have already learned not to volunteer or "act smart" in class, who are struggling socially to find friends and accepting classmates, and who benefit from teachers who expect and accept them by challenging and supporting them.

Some teachers assigned to AAP classes need to be re-evaluated to do the job in a professional manner. They do not have the skills or willingness to support the kids. Most likely the have the willingness to only support the kids whose parents are constantly passing donations under the table. That’s, at least, what happens in our ES.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP is not for high school. It's for ES kids who do not need but really do better in a faster paced and/or deeper classroom.

It's also for the kids who have already learned not to volunteer or "act smart" in class, who are struggling socially to find friends and accepting classmates, and who benefit from teachers who expect and accept them by challenging and supporting them.

Some teachers assigned to AAP classes need to be re-evaluated to do the job in a professional manner. They do not have the skills or willingness to support the kids. Most likely the have the willingness to only support the kids whose parents are constantly passing donations under the table. That’s, at least, what happens in our ES.

What school is this? I have had two kids go through our LL4 with the most incredible teachers. All of my kids 3-6 teachers have been outstanding, warm and caring.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. What is the point for elementary and middle when anyone can take AP in high school? It also seems like unless you have a goal for TJ, there really is no actual purpose earlier on... My child got accepted and will be starting this year but I am still boggled on whether it’s actually worth something so early on. Would love feedback on what you feel your child gained from the program overall...Or if they gained anything at all?

Since they could provide this curriculum at home schools through grouping, it's clear the point is to provide a way to segregate children based on faux merit aka privilege.

There's nothing faux about an IQ test, my friend

And there is no reason that a kid with an above average IQ (AAP is not an actual gifted program and hasn't been for a long time) needs a more advanced curriculum.

I posted about IQ, and I totally agree with you. The program should be made much smaller and should only be for those with top 5% IQ scores. I'd say top 1% but then there wouldn't be enough kids to fill classes even at centers

The kids in-pool for AAP are all in the top 1% of IQ based on the CogAT. The old threshold, 132, is right at the 99th percentile so the top 1%. The program would be a great deal larger if it included more kids in the top 5%. The new local approach is to take the score of the top 10% at each school for the pool, which decreased the number of kids in the pool at many schools and caused a good amount of distress. The program is trying to reflect the needs of the kids at each school and finding the top 10% of kids at each local school.

AAP is far more than 1% of students, even the in pool rate is far higher than 1%. Thanks to parents caring enough to prep their kids for a test that's supposed to be taken blind, 10% of students are in the top 1%

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Anonymous wrote:My child had 99% percentile IQ, perfect GBRS, amazing grades, and didn’t get into AAP until this year (Grade 4 into 5th.) Center school. High income neighborhood.

Asian?

Indian. So yes…Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole AAP admissions process is a dog and pony show. They hire consultants to come up with a process. This gets updated to represent the latest zeitgeist. Same as college admissions.

The process gives cover to bureaucrats.

I guess this might capture 1/2 or 3/4 of deserving students.

Parents who are informed and interested stack the deck towards their kids. Not fair but that is how the game is played. Other kids are at a disadvantage.

There is pushback from the school system, though. If your family bears the name of a suitably unpopular ethnicity, and you are actively interested in seeing your kid enter AAP, they'll peg you for a Tiger Mom and react accordingly: lower GBRS, polite discouragement, and focus on feedback which reflects being overambitious.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. What is the point for elementary and middle when anyone can take AP in high school? It also seems like unless you have a goal for TJ, there really is no actual purpose earlier on... My child got accepted and will be starting this year but I am still boggled on whether it’s actually worth something so early on. Would love feedback on what you feel your child gained from the program overall...Or if they gained anything at all?

Since they could provide this curriculum at home schools through grouping, it's clear the point is to provide a way to segregate children based on faux merit aka privilege.

There's nothing faux about an IQ test, my friend

And there is no reason that a kid with an above average IQ (AAP is not an actual gifted program and hasn't been for a long time) needs a more advanced curriculum.

I posted about IQ, and I totally agree with you. The program should be made much smaller and should only be for those with top 5% IQ scores. I'd say top 1% but then there wouldn't be enough kids to fill classes even at centers

The kids in-pool for AAP are all in the top 1% of IQ based on the CogAT. The old threshold, 132, is right at the 99th percentile so the top 1%. The program would be a great deal larger if it included more kids in the top 5%. The new local approach is to take the score of the top 10% at each school for the pool, which decreased the number of kids in the pool at many schools and caused a good amount of distress. The program is trying to reflect the needs of the kids at each school and finding the top 10% of kids at each local school.

You do realize that IQ has nothing to do with CogAT?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. What is the point for elementary and middle when anyone can take AP in high school? It also seems like unless you have a goal for TJ, there really is no actual purpose earlier on... My child got accepted and will be starting this year but I am still boggled on whether it’s actually worth something so early on. Would love feedback on what you feel your child gained from the program overall...Or if they gained anything at all?

Since they could provide this curriculum at home schools through grouping, it's clear the point is to provide a way to segregate children based on faux merit aka privilege.

There's nothing faux about an IQ test, my friend

And there is no reason that a kid with an above average IQ (AAP is not an actual gifted program and hasn't been for a long time) needs a more advanced curriculum.

I posted about IQ, and I totally agree with you. The program should be made much smaller and should only be for those with top 5% IQ scores. I'd say top 1% but then there wouldn't be enough kids to fill classes even at centers

The kids in-pool for AAP are all in the top 1% of IQ based on the CogAT. The old threshold, 132, is right at the 99th percentile so the top 1%. The program would be a great deal larger if it included more kids in the top 5%. The new local approach is to take the score of the top 10% at each school for the pool, which decreased the number of kids in the pool at many schools and caused a good amount of distress. The program is trying to reflect the needs of the kids at each school and finding the top 10% of kids at each local school.

You do realize that IQ has nothing to do with CogAT?

DP. It's a proxy. Exact? No, but IQ doesn't have "nothing" to do with Cogat.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. What is the point for elementary and middle when anyone can take AP in high school? It also seems like unless you have a goal for TJ, there really is no actual purpose earlier on... My child got accepted and will be starting this year but I am still boggled on whether it’s actually worth something so early on. Would love feedback on what you feel your child gained from the program overall...Or if they gained anything at all?

Since they could provide this curriculum at home schools through grouping, it's clear the point is to provide a way to segregate children based on faux merit aka privilege.

There's nothing faux about an IQ test, my friend

And there is no reason that a kid with an above average IQ (AAP is not an actual gifted program and hasn't been for a long time) needs a more advanced curriculum.

I posted about IQ, and I totally agree with you. The program should be made much smaller and should only be for those with top 5% IQ scores. I'd say top 1% but then there wouldn't be enough kids to fill classes even at centers

The kids in-pool for AAP are all in the top 1% of IQ based on the CogAT. The old threshold, 132, is right at the 99th percentile so the top 1%. The program would be a great deal larger if it included more kids in the top 5%. The new local approach is to take the score of the top 10% at each school for the pool, which decreased the number of kids in the pool at many schools and caused a good amount of distress. The program is trying to reflect the needs of the kids at each school and finding the top 10% of kids at each local school.

You do realize that IQ has nothing to do with CogAT?

DP. It's a proxy. Exact? No, but IQ doesn't have "nothing" to do with Cogat.

IQ has almost nothing to do with CogAT when so many people prep. CogAT is normed using kids who are unfamiliar with the types of questions asked.

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Anonymous wrote:My child had 99% percentile IQ, perfect GBRS, amazing grades, and didn’t get into AAP until this year (Grade 4 into 5th.) Center school. High income neighborhood.

First round in fall or on appeal in spring? Wondering how many are admitted in higher grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. What is the point for elementary and middle when anyone can take AP in high school? It also seems like unless you have a goal for TJ, there really is no actual purpose earlier on... My child got accepted and will be starting this year but I am still boggled on whether it’s actually worth something so early on. Would love feedback on what you feel your child gained from the program overall...Or if they gained anything at all?

Since they could provide this curriculum at home schools through grouping, it's clear the point is to provide a way to segregate children based on faux merit aka privilege.

There's nothing faux about an IQ test, my friend

And there is no reason that a kid with an above average IQ (AAP is not an actual gifted program and hasn't been for a long time) needs a more advanced curriculum.

I posted about IQ, and I totally agree with you. The program should be made much smaller and should only be for those with top 5% IQ scores. I'd say top 1% but then there wouldn't be enough kids to fill classes even at centers

The kids in-pool for AAP are all in the top 1% of IQ based on the CogAT. The old threshold, 132, is right at the 99th percentile so the top 1%. The program would be a great deal larger if it included more kids in the top 5%. The new local approach is to take the score of the top 10% at each school for the pool, which decreased the number of kids in the pool at many schools and caused a good amount of distress. The program is trying to reflect the needs of the kids at each school and finding the top 10% of kids at each local school.

You do realize that IQ has nothing to do with CogAT?

DP. It's a proxy. Exact? No, but IQ doesn't have "nothing" to do with Cogat.

In IQ test is a totally different type of test than CogAT. CogAT can be prepped - IQ cannot. How you donon CogAT is not a reflection of your IQ at all. Please educate yourself because you sound like an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question. What is the point for elementary and middle when anyone can take AP in high school? It also seems like unless you have a goal for TJ, there really is no actual purpose earlier on... My child got accepted and will be starting this year but I am still boggled on whether it’s actually worth something so early on. Would love feedback on what you feel your child gained from the program overall...Or if they gained anything at all?

Since they could provide this curriculum at home schools through grouping, it's clear the point is to provide a way to segregate children based on faux merit aka privilege.

There's nothing faux about an IQ test, my friend

And there is no reason that a kid with an above average IQ (AAP is not an actual gifted program and hasn't been for a long time) needs a more advanced curriculum.

I posted about IQ, and I totally agree with you. The program should be made much smaller and should only be for those with top 5% IQ scores. I'd say top 1% but then there wouldn't be enough kids to fill classes even at centers

The kids in-pool for AAP are all in the top 1% of IQ based on the CogAT. The old threshold, 132, is right at the 99th percentile so the top 1%. The program would be a great deal larger if it included more kids in the top 5%. The new local approach is to take the score of the top 10% at each school for the pool, which decreased the number of kids in the pool at many schools and caused a good amount of distress. The program is trying to reflect the needs of the kids at each school and finding the top 10% of kids at each local school.

You do realize that IQ has nothing to do with CogAT?

DP. It's a proxy. Exact? No, but IQ doesn't have "nothing" to do with Cogat.

In IQ test is a totally different type of test than CogAT. CogAT can be prepped - IQ cannot. How you donon CogAT is not a reflection of your IQ at all. Please educate yourself because you sound like an idiot.

Yes, you can prep for an IQ test. There are classes. And that's why you cannot take the same type of IQ test less than one year apart. Because it's invalid when you are familiar with the test, because it's preppable.

[Anonymous]

seriously - just move all basic curriculum to AAP

most kids will not even notice the difference, but will
be better off in HS

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Anonymous wrote:seriously - just move all basic curriculum to AAP

most kids will not even notice the difference, but will
be better off in HS

Seriously. This isn't the great idea that you think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS.org email users always seem to have their kids in AAP

Not true. I have several personal friends whose kids did not get in, including our school's AART's son.

I always got the sense that PTA mom's kids were given free admission.

That's what I thought too. Especially when Kunty Kuber kept volunteering. But when Kunty's son got put in with the poors and stupids, I laughed so hard I peed my pants.