Explain to me the American mindset around work, entitlement, and earning

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

Be careful. Extreme inequality causes crime and eventually violent revolutionary tactics.

Yeah, so does unemployed bums sitting at home in mom’s basement being radicalized by 4Chan. Go out and get a job Mark.

Don’t complain about crime if you’re not willing to take long-term steps to address the root causes of it.

Oh yeah paying Susan and Jason a SAH allowance for 18 years really does that. Give us a break. Although I’m grateful you’ve given up on the argument that democracy is dying because you don’t get your monthly allowance. Pitiful.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

Be careful. Extreme inequality causes crime and eventually violent revolutionary tactics.

Yeah, so does unemployed bums sitting at home in mom’s basement being radicalized by 4Chan. Go out and get a job Mark.

Don’t complain about crime if you’re not willing to take long-term steps to address the root causes of it.

I'm not a bit concerned about crime.

If I lived in a crime infested neighborhood, I'd be very concerned about it. I feel sorry for those poor souls that are subjected to the predators in their neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a fan of universal health care or socialized medicine.

My Obamacare runs $900 per month with a $6000 deductible.
I get no subsidy as I earn over $46,000 per year in my state.

I preferred what I had before Obamacare. My blue cross was $250 per month with a $1500 deductible. My blue cross that I had before Obamacare covered a lot more.

People earning up to $51,520 were eligible for premium subsidies for 2021. Also, ARPA ramps that even higher for 2022, providing premium subsidies for singles earning up to $76,560, and broadly caps one's premiums at 8.5% of their annual income.

It seems like you're either missing out on some assistance you're eligible for, or you're not telling us the whole story. Can you please elaborate?

Yes the $46,000 for one was the 2020 or 2019 figure. I see that it is now up to $51,520 to get a subsidy for one. I don't qualify for the subsidy as
I am single and earned over the $51,000 threshold. I'm not sure what ARPA is but I have my taxes prepared by a CPA.
Essentially if you hustle and you work you end up paying for those that don't contribute to society.

I believe that this is the reason that Hillary lost to Trump. Many working people were paying reasonable insurance rates and then under Obamacare (mandated by law) their premiums increased four fold with less coverage.

You are single and have your taxes done by a CPA? Either you make dumb decisions and waste money OR you make WAYYYY more than 51k OR even more likely you "hustle" and own your business but use the CPA to find every write off possible while making lots of money but only making X on paper because hustling is the hustle.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

Be careful. Extreme inequality causes crime and eventually violent revolutionary tactics.

Yeah, so does unemployed bums sitting at home in mom’s basement being radicalized by 4Chan. Go out and get a job Mark.

Don’t complain about crime if you’re not willing to take long-term steps to address the root causes of it.

Statistically, do you know what has a major positive impact on crime? Safe, legal, and easily accessible abortions.

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OP the thinking is that it robs people of the dignity of striving and achievement, and it impedes progress as a nation.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

Be careful. Extreme inequality causes crime and eventually violent revolutionary tactics.

Yeah, so does unemployed bums sitting at home in mom’s basement being radicalized by 4Chan. Go out and get a job Mark.

Don’t complain about crime if you’re not willing to take long-term steps to address the root causes of it.

Statistically, do you know what has a major positive impact on crime? Safe, legal, and easily accessible abortions.

Oh, I’m staunchly pro-choice. In fact I think abortions should be free. Not joking.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

Bounced my way? Nope. Making calculating decisions and planning for the family you want to have isn't luck. If you just randomly pop out three kids and expect the rest of taxpayer society to pay for them - you are the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

Bounced my way? Nope. Making calculating decisions and planning for the family you want to have isn't luck. If you just randomly pop out three kids and expect the rest of taxpayer society to pay for them - you are the problem.

Born on third base thinking they hit a triple. Not an ounce of self-awareness. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

Bounced my way? Nope. Making calculating decisions and planning for the family you want to have isn't luck. If you just randomly pop out three kids and expect the rest of taxpayer society to pay for them - you are the problem.

Born on third base thinking they hit a triple. Not an ounce of self-awareness. Sheesh.

No one wants to pay for you or your kids. Give it a rest.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

Bounced my way? Nope. Making calculating decisions and planning for the family you want to have isn't luck. If you just randomly pop out three kids and expect the rest of taxpayer society to pay for them - you are the problem.

Born on third base thinking they hit a triple. Not an ounce of self-awareness. Sheesh.

No one wants to pay for you or your kids. Give it a rest.

Seriously, you don’t need to be smart or even have a college degree to see that having kids is expensive and a lot of work. It should be quite evident even to poor kids that the more kids in a family, the harder it is to work, to provide for everyone or to get ahead. And if you truly don’t know how babies are made, it should obvious enough after the first one. How do people have 3+ oops babies and say it with a straight face?

People who cannot delay gratification will never get ahead.

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So many poor folks in this country of a certain demographic who are objectively poor as f*ck and have a terrible standard of living think Republicans are going to save them and that low taxes are going to help them.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

Bounced my way? Nope. Making calculating decisions and planning for the family you want to have isn't luck. If you just randomly pop out three kids and expect the rest of taxpayer society to pay for them - you are the problem.

Born on third base thinking they hit a triple. Not an ounce of self-awareness. Sheesh.

No one wants to pay for you or your kids. Give it a rest.

Seriously, you don’t need to be smart or even have a college degree to see that having kids is expensive and a lot of work. It should be quite evident even to poor kids that the more kids in a family, the harder it is to work, to provide for everyone or to get ahead. And if you truly don’t know how babies are made, it should obvious enough after the first one. How do people have 3+ oops babies and say it with a straight face?

People who cannot delay gratification will never get ahead.

Here's a secret....people realize that BEFORE they have kids.

Plan accordingly.

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Free will has been debunked repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who wanted to SAH and arranged my life in such a way to do that, I definitely don’t want to pay higher taxes to pay for other women to have free childcare and year long paid maternity leaves! Yes SAH is my choice, but why does my family have to pay another family’s daycare and long maternity leave?

I would argue it's the same consideration as public schools - plenty of people pay property taxes that go towards paying for the schooling of other people's children. We decided that an educated population is a public good.

Education is primarily funded at the local level giving citizens the ability to choose form a variety of taxing schemes and funding mechanisms. That you can move to Texas or Wyoming where tax policy is more aligned with your personal views is an important societal outlet. That’s not what people are pushing here.

Where and how childcare is funded is a tangential discussion. All states have compulsory schooling requirements paid by taxes. I am sure something similar in terms of fundingcan be put in place for childcare. I agree that it should be implemented at the local level rather than federal.

Its not tangential if 90% of it is being funded by the federal government. Whereas with schools, the local tax base determines both the cost and quality of the schools.

Again, the discussion is whether we as a society should provide certain social benefits, not how.

The how predicates the answer. No I do not want to fund extraneous social benefits that raise my federal taxes and provide no further benefits to myself or my family - just takes money for our pocket.

Police, fire, roads, health insurance, military are a common good. Susan sitting at home making formula at 3PM is not.

F*** you, I've got mine!

Nope, I paid for mine. Time for you to do the same.

I paid for mine too, thanks. Sounds to me like you lack the self-awareness and empathy to recognize that if a few things hadn't bounced your way, you'd be in the same boat as the hypothetical Susan you loathe.

Bounced my way? Nope. Making calculating decisions and planning for the family you want to have isn't luck. If you just randomly pop out three kids and expect the rest of taxpayer society to pay for them - you are the problem.

Born on third base thinking they hit a triple. Not an ounce of self-awareness. Sheesh.

No one wants to pay for you or your kids. Give it a rest.

Seriously, you don’t need to be smart or even have a college degree to see that having kids is expensive and a lot of work. It should be quite evident even to poor kids that the more kids in a family, the harder it is to work, to provide for everyone or to get ahead. And if you truly don’t know how babies are made, it should obvious enough after the first one. How do people have 3+ oops babies and say it with a straight face?

People who cannot delay gratification will never get ahead.

Here's a secret....people realize that BEFORE they have kids.

Plan accordingly.

Nobody chooses to be born.