A plea for kindness, or at least keep your mean thoughts to yourself

[Anonymous]

Sorry, OP. Thanks for trying.

My high risk kids are in school right now and I do not need a lecture about my "health anxiety" from someone who clearly has no idea what it's like to send your high risk children off to a school with less than ideal safety measures in the middle of the Delta surge.

[Anonymous]

Op, I'm generally supportive of safe conditions, especially if they keep schools open, but I get really frustrated when I see people start pushing things that interfere with academics. My kids have already lost a ton of ground with the pandemic. They need school. I am not supportive of any measures that interfere with learning.

[Anonymous]

Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all try to be kind to fellow parents who are trying to advocate for their childrens' wellbeing, whatever it is?

I have seen attacks in recent days on parents who chose virtual and on parents who are pushing for better safety in schools saying they are fearmongering or irrationally scared. You bullies don't know these families' circumstances. Their children or family members could be high risk or immune deficient or they could have had Covid and be traumatized from it. Or they may have had family members or friends who died. Or some children are becoming very anxious and stressed from being in crowded schools without good mitigation.

Different families have different medical and mental health needs and risk tolerances. If you're fine with where things are then you're set. You don't have to publicly lash out at other families whose needs may be different than your own.

Parents fighting for their childrens' wellbeing are not elected officials and did not sign up for any of this. They are simply parents trying to get what their kids need. The level of obsession by people - anonymous online bullying, trolling and doxxing people - is simply bewildering. Please find another outlet for your frustration.

This is fine, as long as it goes both ways....neither side should be able to force their views/perspectives on others. As you noted, some people have good reason/need for them to be more careful, and they should be able to (without ridicule, etc.). Others, may not have that same perspective, and should be able to as well (again, without name-calling, etc.)

Except, perhaps, when it comes to public health - things like masking, vaccinating, and testing.

I'm all for vaccinating, but testing asymptomatic kids and masking are not scientifically proven. This sounds like someone wanting to shut down any discussion.

If a random-controlled trial of masking kids come out showing its effective, then that's fine. However, there's no study that shows masking kids in school is effective.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

In the UK and many Scandinavian countries, kids don't mask in school:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/students-masks-classrooms-britain.html

As discussed in the NYMag article, the CDC's own study showed no statistical difference between masking kids and not masking them in school.

So no, you don't get to take those topics off the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

Take a look at that Twitter page and the fearmongering to the community. If someone is advocating to keep my kids from going to go to school, it is personal.
https://twitter.com/smartrestartaps

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

Take a look at that Twitter page and the fearmongering to the community. If someone is advocating to keep my kids from going to go to school, it is personal.
https://twitter.com/smartrestartaps

I think Lunch Petitioner is this crazy, fearmongering Twitter page (which uses much of the same language Lunch Petitioner uses on her posts on AEM). APE lives rent free in this person's head:
https://twitter.com/star_arl

They are all about wanting schools to close (once again).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

Take a look at that Twitter page and the fearmongering to the community. If someone is advocating to keep my kids from going to go to school, it is personal.
https://twitter.com/smartrestartaps

No one is advocating that. They’re really just not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

Take a look at that Twitter page and the fearmongering to the community. If someone is advocating to keep my kids from going to go to school, it is personal.
https://twitter.com/smartrestartaps

I think Lunch Petitioner is this crazy, fearmongering Twitter page (which uses much of the same language Lunch Petitioner uses on her posts on AEM). APE lives rent free in this person's head:
https://twitter.com/star_arl

They are all about wanting schools to close (once again).

I don't think it's purely about closing schools, but there is really some distressed behavior behind these accounts. Some of these people need to take a break from Twitter and Facebook, platforms that foment a lot of rage and fear. Please keep in mind that many twitter accounts that profess sweeping "greatest in history" claims are often TRYING to provoke a lot of responses, likes, and clicks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

Take a look at that Twitter page and the fearmongering to the community. If someone is advocating to keep my kids from going to go to school, it is personal.
https://twitter.com/smartrestartaps

No one is advocating that. They’re really just not.

This bully goes from thread to thread adding nothing of value, just making untrue personal attacks against 2 parents who he even has nicknames for. Whoever said this plea for kindness wouldn't work was sadly right. It doesn't seem to occur to him that more than two parents care about school safety. I have no idea why he keeps accusing people of trying to shut things down either. No one is saying that, he's stuck in a loop though.

Most people just ignore him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:oh geez not this nonsense again from the hysterical anxiety rider. snowflake parents.

Just be honest and say “no one should challenge me or anyone else if they say schools should be closed and kids should be virtual because I have health anxiety and I refuse to get help and now that kids are back in school and kids are doing activities it’s not fair that I have to deal with my kid’s upset because I am paranoid”

OP here, I asked for kindness and this poster called me or someone "hysterical anxiety rider snowflake parents"

Not sure where people's humanity went. This is very sad.

OP you are so insufferable. You are upset because I didn’t like your phony message about kindness?
Yiu are exactly the person I mentioned in my post. Your self righteousness is likely not missed by your kids teaches and other parents at the school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all try to be kind to fellow parents who are trying to advocate for their childrens' wellbeing, whatever it is?

I have seen attacks in recent days on parents who chose virtual and on parents who are pushing for better safety in schools saying they are fearmongering or irrationally scared. You bullies don't know these families' circumstances. Their children or family members could be high risk or immune deficient or they could have had Covid and be traumatized from it. Or they may have had family members or friends who died. Or some children are becoming very anxious and stressed from being in crowded schools without good mitigation.

Different families have different medical and mental health needs and risk tolerances. If you're fine with where things are then you're set. You don't have to publicly lash out at other families whose needs may be different than your own.

Parents fighting for their childrens' wellbeing are not elected officials and did not sign up for any of this. They are simply parents trying to get what their kids need. The level of obsession by people - anonymous online bullying, trolling and doxxing people - is simply bewildering. Please find another outlet for your frustration.

This is fine, as long as it goes both ways....neither side should be able to force their views/perspectives on others. As you noted, some people have good reason/need for them to be more careful, and they should be able to (without ridicule, etc.). Others, may not have that same perspective, and should be able to as well (again, without name-calling, etc.)

Except, perhaps, when it comes to public health - things like masking, vaccinating, and testing.

I'm all for vaccinating, but testing asymptomatic kids and masking are not scientifically proven. This sounds like someone wanting to shut down any discussion.

If a random-controlled trial of masking kids come out showing its effective, then that's fine. However, there's no study that shows masking kids in school is effective.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

In the UK and many Scandinavian countries, kids don't mask in school:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/students-masks-classrooms-britain.html

As discussed in the NYMag article, the CDC's own study showed no statistical difference between masking kids and not masking them in school.

So no, you don't get to take those topics off the table.

New mask study that was released today https://www.foxnews.com/health/surgical-masks-reduce-covid-19-spread-study
"A new study that examined the effects of mask-wearing on the spread of COVID-19 found that even partial adoption helps to limit the spread. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:oh geez not this nonsense again from the hysterical anxiety rider. snowflake parents.

Just be honest and say “no one should challenge me or anyone else if they say schools should be closed and kids should be virtual because I have health anxiety and I refuse to get help and now that kids are back in school and kids are doing activities it’s not fair that I have to deal with my kid’s upset because I am paranoid”

OP here, I asked for kindness and this poster called me or someone "hysterical anxiety rider snowflake parents"

Not sure where people's humanity went. This is very sad.

OP you are so insufferable. You are upset because I didn’t like your phony message about kindness?
Yiu are exactly the person I mentioned in my post. Your self righteousness is likely not missed by your kids teaches and other parents at the school

Note to OP: I’m a PO who thanked you for trying and I agree we should try to be more civil. But not to this a’hole. Not everyone deserves grace or respect and I just can’t with people like this anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this post from Ventilation Woman or Lunch Petitioner?

Smart Restart's Twitter page is cranking out 24/7 fear porn for the past week (which Ventilation Woman runs). Today they reTweeted that sending kids back to school is essentially "forced infection of children" and "one of the greatest mistakes in the history of public health." Take a scroll through that Twitter page for the past week - it's doom and gloom, and daily updates whenever any APS kid had even a close contact.

So no, I'm not going to stop speaking up with groups like this trying to influence public policy. We all have our own risk tolerances, but groups like this are trying to cram their irrational, non-scientific, quasi-religious views down everyone's throats.

In all seriousness, why are you so obsessed with these 2 parents? There are so many posts about them, many of which are likely from you. It’s more than a little terrifying and sad. I get that you don’t agree with their message or their tactics, but why are you always personally attacking them?

Take a look at that Twitter page and the fearmongering to the community. If someone is advocating to keep my kids from going to go to school, it is personal.
https://twitter.com/smartrestartaps

No one is advocating that. They’re really just not.

This bully goes from thread to thread adding nothing of value, just making untrue personal attacks against 2 parents who he even has nicknames for. Whoever said this plea for kindness wouldn't work was sadly right. It doesn't seem to occur to him that more than two parents care about school safety. I have no idea why he keeps accusing people of trying to shut things down either. No one is saying that, he's stuck in a loop though.

Most people just ignore him.

Some people are just a-holes I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we all try to be kind to fellow parents who are trying to advocate for their childrens' wellbeing, whatever it is?

I have seen attacks in recent days on parents who chose virtual and on parents who are pushing for better safety in schools saying they are fearmongering or irrationally scared. You bullies don't know these families' circumstances. Their children or family members could be high risk or immune deficient or they could have had Covid and be traumatized from it. Or they may have had family members or friends who died. Or some children are becoming very anxious and stressed from being in crowded schools without good mitigation.

Different families have different medical and mental health needs and risk tolerances. If you're fine with where things are then you're set. You don't have to publicly lash out at other families whose needs may be different than your own.

Parents fighting for their childrens' wellbeing are not elected officials and did not sign up for any of this. They are simply parents trying to get what their kids need. The level of obsession by people - anonymous online bullying, trolling and doxxing people - is simply bewildering. Please find another outlet for your frustration.

This is fine, as long as it goes both ways....neither side should be able to force their views/perspectives on others. As you noted, some people have good reason/need for them to be more careful, and they should be able to (without ridicule, etc.). Others, may not have that same perspective, and should be able to as well (again, without name-calling, etc.)

Except, perhaps, when it comes to public health - things like masking, vaccinating, and testing.

I'm all for vaccinating, but testing asymptomatic kids and masking are not scientifically proven. This sounds like someone wanting to shut down any discussion.

If a random-controlled trial of masking kids come out showing its effective, then that's fine. However, there's no study that shows masking kids in school is effective.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

In the UK and many Scandinavian countries, kids don't mask in school:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/27/us/students-masks-classrooms-britain.html

As discussed in the NYMag article, the CDC's own study showed no statistical difference between masking kids and not masking them in school.

So no, you don't get to take those topics off the table.

New mask study that was released today https://www.foxnews.com/health/surgical-masks-reduce-covid-19-spread-study
"A new study that examined the effects of mask-wearing on the spread of COVID-19 found that even partial adoption helps to limit the spread. "

Really. You want to debate.....masks?

GMAFB. Just homeschool your kid if you can't handle very basic public health things like.....vaccines, masks, and testing.