APS dress code

[Anonymous]

We came across this model dress code which sets some basic standards without body shaming, which arbitrary things like “no spaghetti straps” do. I like it, it ensures basic decency without trying to fully proscribe value judgments which are disproportionately applied against girls.

http://noworegon.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/01/or_now_model_student_dress_code_feb_2016__1_.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone share their experience with the dress code, especially in middle school? DD has been wearing mostly tank tops all summer, and prefers leggings to jeans when it gets cool. She is tall and almost all shorts are shorter than fingertip length on her except boy-style basketball shorts.

Tax free weekend is coming up and I’m trying to make sure she has a wardrobe that is acceptable to the school without totally overhauling it. Especially after this last year at home it feels like she needs more than she might normally. Adults aren’t the only ones who lived in super comfy slouchy clothes this past year. She cares about fashion so will probably want to mostly wait to see what others wear, but I want to get her through the heat of September without being in violation of dress code enforcers.

Mom of boy. The dress code, at least at ASFS, was so sexist I was shocked the district wasn’t sued immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We came across this model dress code which sets some basic standards without body shaming, which arbitrary things like “no spaghetti straps” do. I like it, it ensures basic decency without trying to fully proscribe value judgments which are disproportionately applied against girls.

http://noworegon.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/01/or_now_model_student_dress_code_feb_2016__1_.pdf

Yeah ASFS needs a copy of this one

[Anonymous]

I am revisiting this thread due to situation with my daughter today. At her school ( central MD), teachers continually say female clothing ( think a scoop neck shirt) is distracting and inappropriate. I completely support rules being implemented and followed and if that was the terminology used I would be more comfortable. However, the distracting comment I have a hard time supporting. My daughter is in 7th grade and she has breasts and cleavage which is the apparent distraction. Is there a productive way to deal with this? My daughter said she felt shamed and embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am revisiting this thread due to situation with my daughter today. At her school ( central MD), teachers continually say female clothing ( think a scoop neck shirt) is distracting and inappropriate. I completely support rules being implemented and followed and if that was the terminology used I would be more comfortable. However, the distracting comment I have a hard time supporting. My daughter is in 7th grade and she has breasts and cleavage which is the apparent distraction. Is there a productive way to deal with this? My daughter said she felt shamed and embarrassed.

Be serious, how low was the cut of the shirt and how much cleavage was she showing?

If my sons balls were hanging out of high cut shorts I'm sure we'd get a call.

I also have seen what passes for school attire at some of the local HSs and the butt cheek with a**es hanging all the way out paired with midriff tops above their belly buttons was abundant. Maybe as the cold weather comes in another month or so it will put an end to some of that.

[Anonymous]

I am a teacher, and I feel really bad for the teen girls that feel that they have to show everyone their everything to get noticed, and for my male colleagues that feel like they can’t even say anything to them. It’s pretty hard to learn when you are busy tugging your shirt down or up or whatever. Occasionally, you see a boy whose pants are below his ass, and we address that, too. But usually it’s the girls… Sorry if that sounds sexist, but that’s what’s up. I imagine some of their parents have no idea what they look like during the school day. No way some of these girls left the house like that. And her hands are tied about enforcing anything… Because of all of this feminism BS. How about feminism is you’re worth more than your body? No way these girls dress like that for themselves. It’s all totally uncomfortable. There’s a time and place for everything, and I’m sorry, school is not it. Maybe the beach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am revisiting this thread due to situation with my daughter today. At her school ( central MD), teachers continually say female clothing ( think a scoop neck shirt) is distracting and inappropriate. I completely support rules being implemented and followed and if that was the terminology used I would be more comfortable. However, the distracting comment I have a hard time supporting. My daughter is in 7th grade and she has breasts and cleavage which is the apparent distraction. Is there a productive way to deal with this? My daughter said she felt shamed and embarrassed.

Be serious, how low was the cut of the shirt and how much cleavage was she showing?

If my sons balls were hanging out of high cut shorts I'm sure we'd get a call.

I also have seen what passes for school attire at some of the local HSs and the butt cheek with a**es hanging all the way out paired with midriff tops above their belly buttons was abundant. Maybe as the cold weather comes in another month or so it will put an end to some of that.

Word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I feel really bad for the teen girls that feel that they have to show everyone their everything to get noticed, and for my male colleagues that feel like they can’t even say anything to them. It’s pretty hard to learn when you are busy tugging your shirt down or up or whatever. Occasionally, you see a boy whose pants are below his ass, and we address that, too. But usually it’s the girls… Sorry if that sounds sexist, but that’s what’s up. I imagine some of their parents have no idea what they look like during the school day. No way some of these girls left the house like that. And her hands are tied about enforcing anything… Because of all of this feminism BS. How about feminism is you’re worth more than your body? No way these girls dress like that for themselves. It’s all totally uncomfortable. There’s a time and place for everything, and I’m sorry, school is not it. Maybe the beach?

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People complaining that dress codes are sexist don't admit that the female body has more to be revealed in a sexual way than the male body. Boys just need to wear non-mesh shirts and keep their pants up. Girls need to keep their hemlines down, waistlines down, and necklines up. Both can easily be held equally to no-spaghetti straps.

PP hits on the real problem and truth: girls aren't dressing this way for themselves. They dress to out-do/keep up with the other popular girls and to get attention from the boys which they then complain about. Can't have it both ways. If you don't want that kind of attention, don't draw it to yourself. And no, that doesn't excuse boys from crass disrespectful behavior. Everyone is responsible.

And PP is right about a time and place for everything. Nothing wrong with "dressing for the occasion" or for the job you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a teacher, and I feel really bad for the teen girls that feel that they have to show everyone their everything to get noticed, and for my male colleagues that feel like they can’t even say anything to them. It’s pretty hard to learn when you are busy tugging your shirt down or up or whatever. Occasionally, you see a boy whose pants are below his ass, and we address that, too. But usually it’s the girls… Sorry if that sounds sexist, but that’s what’s up. I imagine some of their parents have no idea what they look like during the school day. No way some of these girls left the house like that. And her hands are tied about enforcing anything… Because of all of this feminism BS. How about feminism is you’re worth more than your body? No way these girls dress like that for themselves. It’s all totally uncomfortable. There’s a time and place for everything, and I’m sorry, school is not it. Maybe the beach?

+100
People complaining that dress codes are sexist don't admit that the female body has more to be revealed in a sexual way than the male body. Boys just need to wear non-mesh shirts and keep their pants up. Girls need to keep their hemlines down, waistlines down, and necklines up. Both can easily be held equally to no-spaghetti straps.

PP hits on the real problem and truth: girls aren't dressing this way for themselves. They dress to out-do/keep up with the other popular girls and to get attention from the boys which they then complain about. Can't have it both ways. If you don't want that kind of attention, don't draw it to yourself. And no, that doesn't excuse boys from crass disrespectful behavior. Everyone is responsible.

And PP is right about a time and place for everything. Nothing wrong with "dressing for the occasion" or for the job you want.

Yeah, I just will never understand why believing that tube tops, spaghetti straps, or tiny (tiny!j shorts are not appropriate at school is “body shaming”.

As to the bolded above, I think some evidentiary support for this may be in looking at whether lesbian teens and straight teens are dressing similarly. My observation of the students and my kids high school suggest that they dress very differently. I interpret that to suggest that straight girls are dressing to get boy attention.

We should expect all students to dress respectfully and professionally for the learning environment. To me, that means not a lot of skin (or undergarments) showing, faces showing (so no hiding in your hood, totally different from a head scarf), clothing that is not distracting (to the wearer or to others).

[Anonymous]

I’d support uniforms in public schools. Would be cheaper, easier, and better in so many ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d support uniforms in public schools. Would be cheaper, easier, and better in so many ways.

Me, too! But that apparently squashes individuality.

[Anonymous]

My girls are at ATS and I love their dress code. Teaches them self respect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d support uniforms in public schools. Would be cheaper, easier, and better in so many ways.

Me, too! But that apparently squashes individuality.

Each individual butt cheek, sticking right out of their shorts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My girls are at ATS and I love their dress code. Teaches them self respect.

Exactly!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d support uniforms in public schools. Would be cheaper, easier, and better in so many ways.

Me, too! But that apparently squashes individuality.

Each individual butt cheek, sticking right out of their shorts.

LOL! NOW I understand the quashing of individualism argument!