Will AAP be at all elementary schools from now on? What about really small ones?

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Anonymous wrote:I would like it if AAP went back to pull outs at local schools.

That's what level III is. I think they are making sure advanced math is at all schools, but not sure when that implementation will finish.

With local level IV at all schools they may have more flexibility to do more with level III.

level III is a one hour a week pull out at our school.

Are there kids who are sent to the AAP classroom for specific subjects? Just curious. I would think that most of the kids in Level III and Advanced Math would be principal placed into the LLIV class.

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Anonymous wrote:I would like it if AAP went back to pull outs at local schools.

That's what level III is. I think they are making sure advanced math is at all schools, but not sure when that implementation will finish.

With local level IV at all schools they may have more flexibility to do more with level III.

level III is a one hour a week pull out at our school.

Are there kids who are sent to the AAP classroom for specific subjects? Just curious. I would think that most of the kids in Level III and Advanced Math would be principal placed into the LLIV class.

advanced math is taught by a teacher who is not necessarily the AAP teacher for a given grade and there are large numbers on non-level IV kids there. There are no pull ins for any other classes. If there are LLIV kids who are principal placed, it certainly isn't my kid (perfect GBRS, low COGAT, pass advanced on every SOL she's ever taken, rejected by the committee every year)

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Anonymous wrote:I would like it if AAP went back to pull outs at local schools.

That's what level III is. I think they are making sure advanced math is at all schools, but not sure when that implementation will finish.

With local level IV at all schools they may have more flexibility to do more with level III.

Yes, I'm saying I wish there wasn't a Level IV. I hate this competitiveness that starts in 8 and 9 year olds, it's destructive.

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There should not be a level IV af every elementary school.

Elementary schools should be a center format, with at least one in the school pyramid feeding pattern so no kids go to a center outside their zoned high school pyramid.

Every elementary school should have at least one advance math class per grade starting in 3rd.

Each middle school should have an AAP level IV program, with at least one center in every pyramid.

Having the small elememtary schools divided between one class of the "smart" kids and 1-2 classes of everyone else is just cruel and unnecessary, especially since there is no way that 30% of the kids are actually gifted.

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I agree that local level iv is divisive. If you want advanced academic services, you go to a center school. What’s been happening is the AAP kids stay at their local school and their wretched parents make sure all the resources are diverted to their snowflakes while completely keeping them separate from everything—because sitting with a GenEd kid for anything is contagious. It’s a bad disease.

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Do SPED kids go to Centers or do they receive services at their base school? Most receive services at the base school. So why should my kid who is advanced have to leave his base school to receive services?

I don’t know how to revamp how FCPS determines who is in AAP so that it serves the kids it needs to but it is a program that serves kids who need to be challenged. Unlike SPED, parents want their kids in the program because it is seen as a good thing. But don’t try and punish my kid because other parents act like assholes.

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Anonymous wrote:Do SPED kids go to Centers or do they receive services at their base school? Most receive services at the base school. So why should my kid who is advanced have to leave his base school to receive services?

I don’t know how to revamp how FCPS determines who is in AAP so that it serves the kids it needs to but it is a program that serves kids who need to be challenged. Unlike SPED, parents want their kids in the program because it is seen as a good thing. But don’t try and punish my kid because other parents act like assholes.

Sped kids who have an IEP are protected by Federal Law and are required to get their services in the least restrictive environment. AAP kids aren’t. Sorry, dear but you don’t just get to ship off the sped kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Do SPED kids go to Centers or do they receive services at their base school? Most receive services at the base school. So why should my kid who is advanced have to leave his base school to receive services?

I don’t know how to revamp how FCPS determines who is in AAP so that it serves the kids it needs to but it is a program that serves kids who need to be challenged. Unlike SPED, parents want their kids in the program because it is seen as a good thing. But don’t try and punish my kid because other parents act like assholes.

Sped kids who have an IEP are protected by Federal Law and are required to get their services in the least restrictive environment. AAP kids aren’t. Sorry, dear but you don’t just get to ship off the sped kids.

I don’t want to ship off anyone. I think kids should receive appropriate services at their base school, to include kids who are ahead. Kids shouldn’t have to move to receive an appropriate education.

My kid receives SPED and AAP at his base. He shouldn’t have to change schools to receive AAP. We deferred Level IV placement so he receives advanced math and Level III at his base. It would have been nice to receive the full Level IV but our school doesn’t have LLIV. DS didn’t want to leave his friends and we like the Teachers he has been working with.

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Anonymous wrote:Do SPED kids go to Centers or do they receive services at their base school? Most receive services at the base school. So why should my kid who is advanced have to leave his base school to receive services?

I don’t know how to revamp how FCPS determines who is in AAP so that it serves the kids it needs to but it is a program that serves kids who need to be challenged. Unlike SPED, parents want their kids in the program because it is seen as a good thing. But don’t try and punish my kid because other parents act like assholes.

Depends on the need. Canterbury Woods is both an AAP center and the deaf and hard of hearing center for the county. Kids bus in from all over to access those specialized services.

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Anonymous wrote:Do SPED kids go to Centers or do they receive services at their base school? Most receive services at the base school. So why should my kid who is advanced have to leave his base school to receive services?

I don’t know how to revamp how FCPS determines who is in AAP so that it serves the kids it needs to but it is a program that serves kids who need to be challenged. Unlike SPED, parents want their kids in the program because it is seen as a good thing. But don’t try and punish my kid because other parents act like assholes.

Half of AAP as it is currently designed is the advanced academics and the other half is the cohort. You are discounting the cohort, several classes of gifted students as is found at the center schools.

You've won. Soon the cohort will go away and AAP will only be advanced academics and not the cohort.

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Apparently, you are not aware of the fact that the Virginia DPOE is planning on eliminating all "tracking" which is basically code for eliminating advanced math starting in middle school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do SPED kids go to Centers or do they receive services at their base school? Most receive services at the base school. So why should my kid who is advanced have to leave his base school to receive services?

I don’t know how to revamp how FCPS determines who is in AAP so that it serves the kids it needs to but it is a program that serves kids who need to be challenged. Unlike SPED, parents want their kids in the program because it is seen as a good thing. But don’t try and punish my kid because other parents act like assholes.

Sped kids who have an IEP are protected by Federal Law and are required to get their services in the least restrictive environment. AAP kids aren’t. Sorry, dear but you don’t just get to ship off the sped kids.

I don’t want to ship off anyone. I think kids should receive appropriate services at their base school, to include kids who are ahead. Kids shouldn’t have to move to receive an appropriate education.

My kid receives SPED and AAP at his base. He shouldn’t have to change schools to receive AAP. We deferred Level IV placement so he receives advanced math and Level III at his base. It would have been nice to receive the full Level IV but our school doesn’t have LLIV. DS didn’t want to leave his friends and we like the Teachers he has been working with.

You're not using the term "appropriate" correctly. The Gen Ed education is the appropriate state education. If your student qualifies for AAP services they are receiving a specialized education. So if you keep your kid at a base school and they do not receive AAP services, they are still receiving an appropriate education.

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Public schools should only offer an "appropriate education" at lowest possible cost, and allow parents to choose to spend their education dollars where they can get an education appropriate to their specific children.

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Anonymous wrote:How many ES in FCPS have 2 classes per grade? We are at Fox Mill, which is pretty small, and have 4 classes per grade. There are about 600 kids at the school. I am pretty certain it is one of the smaller ES in FCPS, but a quick google search is not bringing up just an easy breakdown of kids per school.

Honestly, I would be surprised if there are too many schools that are under 400 kids.

But I believe that all ES are suppose to have a Local Level IV program by 2023-2024.

Fox Mill is functionally two classes per grade, though. There are two classes of Japanese Immersion, two classes of regular English. I suppose you could mix them on the English side, but immersion students take math and science in Japanese.

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Anonymous wrote:How many ES in FCPS have 2 classes per grade? We are at Fox Mill, which is pretty small, and have 4 classes per grade. There are about 600 kids at the school. I am pretty certain it is one of the smaller ES in FCPS, but a quick google search is not bringing up just an easy breakdown of kids per school.

Honestly, I would be surprised if there are too many schools that are under 400 kids.

But I believe that all ES are suppose to have a Local Level IV program by 2023-2024.

Fox Mill is functionally two classes per grade, though. There are two classes of Japanese Immersion, two classes of regular English. I suppose you could mix them on the English side, but immersion students take math and science in Japanese.

Hit submit too soon! There are a decent percentage of schools out there with under 400 - Armstrong, Beech Tree, Bucknell, Garfield, Graham Road, Mount Eagle, etc, and even more just above the line. This link is sort of crappy, but it allows you to figure it out in an unpleasant manual fashion. http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:42:181041989028::NO:RP42_DETAIL,P0_EDSL:,0

I question whether or not a school has a large enough cohort of kids with 120+ IQ (or even 115+ IQ) that it can set up a meaningful equivalent to the current AAP locally. I suspect it can't. Nationally, fewer than 20% of kids have an IQ of 115, around 10% have 120. These percentages are higher in FCPS, but the number isn't evenly distributed, by any means.