Why is trying for diversity in HS sports not a thing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only criteria is talent and learned skill for the number of available slots..

So are you saying that the underrepresentation of Asian Americans in some sports is due to their lack of talent and the underrepresentation of other minorities in groups like competitive orchestra groups is because they lack talent?

You sound pretty well versed in the arguments about why affirmative action and equity is important in academics. A lot of it is about systemic racism. Why doesn't that apply to sports again?

[Anonymous]

Can you imagine what people would say if the Science Bowl team had 50 people try out and 10 were URMs and none of them were picked because they presumably had less "talent" than the white or Asian kids?

This is what is happening with sports.

[Anonymous]

OP your cracker son ain’t up to snuff on the basketball court so he shouldn’t be allowed on the team. Period

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only criteria is talent and learned skill for the number of available slots..

So are you saying that the underrepresentation of Asian Americans in some sports is due to their lack of talent and the underrepresentation of other minorities in groups like competitive orchestra groups is because they lack talent?

You sound pretty well versed in the arguments about why affirmative action and equity is important in academics. A lot of it is about systemic racism. Why doesn't that apply to sports again?

Why are you wasting your time beating an obviously dead horse? Is this trolling fun for you? If so, why?

The purpose of competitive sports is competition. The purpose of acadmeic competition is competition. The purpose of debate, model UN, foresnsics, math olympiad and many other activities is competition They are fundamentally different from education, whose purpose is education.

Efforts to diversity participation in PE class (i.e. to get nerdy, unathletic kids involved) would be absolutely appropriate. Efforts to promote no-cut sports and beginner appropriate sports in order to diversity participation are absolutely appropriate. So would efforts to involve more kids in orchestra, debate or math club.

None of that has to do with to competitive sports or academic competition, but of course you know that -- you are just weirdly trying to prove some kind of idiotic political point. Why? Are you dumb enough to think this is some kind of "gotcha" about diversity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine what people would say if the Science Bowl team had 50 people try out and 10 were URMs and none of them were picked because they presumably had less "talent" than the white or Asian kids?

This is what is happening with sports.

Of course, people who are ACTUALLY knowledgeable about sports know that the exact opposite is true. There is a long history of affirmative action favoring less talented (usually white) kids in sports in every possible way at every level. It's baked into the rules -- kids with below a 2.3 high school GPA are not eligible for D1 scholarships and all school systems have minimum GPA reqirements, so sports participation is not and has never been purely about sports talent. Sports participation is also about having the support at home to get good grades and enough famiy money that kids do not need to work a part time job (my kid's varsity team flat out forbids kids from working all year, as did my sports teams when I was in high school).

Finally, parents of athletic white kids in sports where white kids are a minority will know that their kids get noticed more than similarly talented minority kids and definitely get the benefit of the doubt more than minority kids. As the parent of such a kid, I frequently found the favoritsm and extra consideration shown my kid to be uncomfortable, particularly given that I knew that my kid had support and opporunities that a lot of his equally talented but poorer teammates didn't have. My kid was assumed to be hard working, fundamentally skilled, a rule follower, a good shooter, a good freethrow shooter, a boost to the team average GPA, and a "high basketball IQ" kid before he stepped on the court or submitted a grade report. When it became clear that he also had decent speed and a good vertical jump, he was treated as an elite athlete to a degree that was frankly unfair, and some glaring weaknesses were overlooked by far too many coaches in a way they wouldn't have been if he wasn't "the white kid."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine what people would say if the Science Bowl team had 50 people try out and 10 were URMs and none of them were picked because they presumably had less "talent" than the white or Asian kids?

This is what is happening with sports.

Of course, people who are ACTUALLY knowledgeable about sports know that the exact opposite is true. There is a long history of affirmative action favoring less talented (usually white) kids in sports in every possible way at every level. It's baked into the rules -- kids with below a 2.3 high school GPA are not eligible for D1 scholarships and all school systems have minimum GPA reqirements, so sports participation is not and has never been purely about sports talent. Sports participation is also about having the support at home to get good grades and enough famiy money that kids do not need to work a part time job (my kid's varsity team flat out forbids kids from working all year, as did my sports teams when I was in high school).

Finally, parents of athletic white kids in sports where white kids are a minority will know that their kids get noticed more than similarly talented minority kids and definitely get the benefit of the doubt more than minority kids. As the parent of such a kid, I frequently found the favoritsm and extra consideration shown my kid to be uncomfortable, particularly given that I knew that my kid had support and opporunities that a lot of his equally talented but poorer teammates didn't have. My kid was assumed to be hard working, fundamentally skilled, a rule follower, a good shooter, a good freethrow shooter, a boost to the team average GPA, and a "high basketball IQ" kid before he stepped on the court or submitted a grade report. When it became clear that he also had decent speed and a good vertical jump, he was treated as an elite athlete to a degree that was frankly unfair, and some glaring weaknesses were overlooked by far too many coaches in a way they wouldn't have been if he wasn't "the white kid."

Wow. There are not a lot of people who are wiling to admit this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine what people would say if the Science Bowl team had 50 people try out and 10 were URMs and none of them were picked because they presumably had less "talent" than the white or Asian kids?

This is what is happening with sports.

Of course, people who are ACTUALLY knowledgeable about sports know that the exact opposite is true. There is a long history of affirmative action favoring less talented (usually white) kids in sports in every possible way at every level. It's baked into the rules -- kids with below a 2.3 high school GPA are not eligible for D1 scholarships and all school systems have minimum GPA reqirements, so sports participation is not and has never been purely about sports talent. Sports participation is also about having the support at home to get good grades and enough famiy money that kids do not need to work a part time job (my kid's varsity team flat out forbids kids from working all year, as did my sports teams when I was in high school).

Finally, parents of athletic white kids in sports where white kids are a minority will know that their kids get noticed more than similarly talented minority kids and definitely get the benefit of the doubt more than minority kids. As the parent of such a kid, I frequently found the favoritsm and extra consideration shown my kid to be uncomfortable, particularly given that I knew that my kid had support and opporunities that a lot of his equally talented but poorer teammates didn't have. My kid was assumed to be hard working, fundamentally skilled, a rule follower, a good shooter, a good freethrow shooter, a boost to the team average GPA, and a "high basketball IQ" kid before he stepped on the court or submitted a grade report. When it became clear that he also had decent speed and a good vertical jump, he was treated as an elite athlete to a degree that was frankly unfair, and some glaring weaknesses were overlooked by far too many coaches in a way they wouldn't have been if he wasn't "the white kid."

Wow. There are not a lot of people who are wiling to admit this.

Not sure where you went to school ... but this is not the experience I had. The better athlete always got chosen and often had people bending the rules to get the GPA up artificially to keep that kid eligible. When it came to basketball, the black kid was assumed to be better, essentially at birth. Even if they weren’t. And Asians playing hoops, c’mon now. At least the whities can shoot a J. Anyhow, lots of stereotypes in sports. The good coaches learn to look beyond these.

[Anonymous]

Why would a nonathletic kid want to even play? Kids know if they are good at sports or not. They know too if they suck they will just get made fun of. Why torture a kid like that into doing something they don’t want to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

And we all die from obesity because only a select few were allowed to play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

And we all die from obesity because only a select few were allowed to play.

Boo hoo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

And we all die from obesity because only a select few were allowed to play.

You’re dying of obesity because you didn’t make your HS basketball team? Most people in your cohort are generally familiar with the concept of exercise, or at least with the Peloton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

And we all die from obesity because only a select few were allowed to play.

No you’ll die of obesity because you can’t put down your bag of Doritos and your can of beer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

And we all die from obesity because only a select few were allowed to play.

Not true at all. There are lots of ways for kids to participate in sports at public schools. Most schools have at least a couple of no-cut sports, usually something like cross country and track, which are both excellent for promoting overall fitness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Enough. Professional opportunities will not be denied because there is no diversity on a high school team.

If your white son isn’t up to snuff to make the high school basketball team, big whoop. Majority of those kids will not even play in college key alone pros. They will hopefully play basketball recreationally or pick up some other form of exercise once they are older.

But all students need an education. They will all hopefully be using their minds in one form or another as an adult. Making sure everyone gets a good, challenging education is much more important to society than making sure a high school basketball team is diverse.

This js all you need to know

And we all die from obesity because only a select few were allowed to play.

No you’ll die of obesity because you can’t put down your bag of Doritos and your can of beer.

Yep this exactly