What if we made this lost year up to parents with a tax break?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

Why are they doing extra work in their tiny apartments? I don't understand. If there is some specific way that childless people are being burdened during the pandemic, I'm all for relief to them. I just don't know what it is they are doing or what they need help with.

Doing extra work = covering for our colleagues who are parents
Tiny apartments = because we don't have kids. 2 people working in a small apartment even without kids is tough.
Moving expenses= see tiny apartments. Some childless folks want to move because they lost jobs or need more space for working.

Jesus. Parents aren't the only people affected. We ALL are. Do you think childless people have been sipping champagne and kicking back carefree? The only people who really haven't been are the super rich.

[Anonymous]

So families above 150k didn’t have any stress this year?

Here in coastal California, 150k doesn’t buy much. It doesn’t buy a big house (or frankly, any house, in some areas). It doesn’t buy nannies or tutors for multiple children. And it certainly doesn’t buy children that don’t have medical or learning problems.

Any tax break would need to be given to all families in order to be fair, no matter their income.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

I see the proposal discussed in the post as geared toward helping children, who have really been the victims of this crap situation, especially those whose parents are struggling financially.

People without kids are struggling financially too. Do they not count?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

I see the proposal discussed in the post as geared toward helping children, who have really been the victims of this crap situation, especially those whose parents are struggling financially.

People without kids are struggling financially too. Do they not count?

It's wild that the childless are bitching about this (really actually quite small) proposal.

Note, also, dear grumpy childless people: This is but one tax break. Note there are many others that may apply to you in the overall Biden package.

[Anonymous]

Some of these comments just go to show how our society gives zero shits about children (and by extension, parents, largely mothers).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

Why are they doing extra work in their tiny apartments? I don't understand. If there is some specific way that childless people are being burdened during the pandemic, I'm all for relief to them. I just don't know what it is they are doing or what they need help with.

Doing extra work = covering for our colleagues who are parents
Tiny apartments = because we don't have kids. 2 people working in a small apartment even without kids is tough.
Moving expenses= see tiny apartments. Some childless folks want to move because they lost jobs or need more space for working.

Jesus. Parents aren't the only people affected. We ALL are. Do you think childless people have been sipping champagne and kicking back carefree? The only people who really haven't been are the super rich.

Lol, define tiny. My DH and I have been working from our small apartment (less than 1000 square feet) with our child, who is home all day and doing distance learning, with no childcare, since March. We do not have one home office, much less two. We work at the dining table, which is in our combination kitchen/dining/living room, while our child does DL 6 feet away in the living room. We start our days at 5am so that we can spend the day trading off between feeding/teaching/assisting our child (who is 5 and not even remotely independent yet) and doing our jobs. We meet our deadlines and make all our meetings. No one is covering for us and we are afraid to ask them to, specifically because of the perception that we might not be "pulling our weight. Our days end at 9pm, as we both get a couple more hours of work in after our child goes to bed, and then we go straight to bed because we are exhausted from full days of doing nothing but work and childcare, every day for 11 months.

Yes, everyone is impacted by the impacted. People with young children are more impacted. Our kids are suffering for it.

Sorry about your small apartment though. I get how spending so much time with a partner or spouse really wears you down, as I have been living it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So families above 150k didn’t have any stress this year?

Here in coastal California, 150k doesn’t buy much. It doesn’t buy a big house (or frankly, any house, in some areas). It doesn’t buy nannies or tutors for multiple children. And it certainly doesn’t buy children that don’t have medical or learning problems.

Any tax break would need to be given to all families in order to be fair, no matter their income.

Good thing you can't buy children. That would be awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

I see the proposal discussed in the post as geared toward helping children, who have really been the victims of this crap situation, especially those whose parents are struggling financially.

People without kids are struggling financially too. Do they not count?

Yes, they count too. What I think should really happen is that each PERSON should get a dollar benefit. But I still think kids have had it the worst, and that should be acknowledged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're in luck!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/07/child-benefit-democrats-biden/

This is way better than a tax break, since a tax break helps only those who make enough money to pay taxes. I hope it passes!

OP here, and that's a great point. It's similar to programs I have seen in other countries, which are also meant to explicitly address childhood poverty, and ensure that kids have food, clothes, shoes that fit, etc. no matter what. I think it's great.

Ugh, we really should be doing more of that. My heart just breaks when I think of kids who are food insecure having to deal with that on top of distance learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So families above 150k didn’t have any stress this year?

Here in coastal California, 150k doesn’t buy much. It doesn’t buy a big house (or frankly, any house, in some areas). It doesn’t buy nannies or tutors for multiple children. And it certainly doesn’t buy children that don’t have medical or learning problems.

Any tax break would need to be given to all families in order to be fair, no matter their income.

Yeah, that's a no go. We're never going to pass a relief package that will send money to the children of millionaires and corporate lawyers. I get saying that 150k is too low, there is an argument to be made for that. But it's absolutely true that the stress of the pandemic increases as you go down the income ladder. The people with the least have suffered the most and need the most help. I you don't understand that "to be fair" we need to focus relief on those folks, I can't help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

I see the proposal discussed in the post as geared toward helping children, who have really been the victims of this crap situation, especially those whose parents are struggling financially.

People without kids are struggling financially too. Do they not count?

Yes, they count too. What I think should really happen is that each PERSON should get a dollar benefit. But I still think kids have had it the worst, and that should be acknowledged.

So...like the stimulus, which families at the exact income levels proposed in the OP already got and will probably get a 3rd round? When does it end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

I see the proposal discussed in the post as geared toward helping children, who have really been the victims of this crap situation, especially those whose parents are struggling financially.

People without kids are struggling financially too. Do they not count?

Yes, they count too. What I think should really happen is that each PERSON should get a dollar benefit. But I still think kids have had it the worst, and that should be acknowledged.

So...like the stimulus, which families at the exact income levels proposed in the OP already got and will probably get a 3rd round? When does it end?

Uh, when the pandemic ends? This is fairly straightforward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm for across the board breaks... your specific suggestion will have childless folks up in arms. Do they get a tax break for doing extra work this year living in their tiny apartments? Just saying.

Why are they doing extra work in their tiny apartments? I don't understand. If there is some specific way that childless people are being burdened during the pandemic, I'm all for relief to them. I just don't know what it is they are doing or what they need help with.

Doing extra work = covering for our colleagues who are parents
Tiny apartments = because we don't have kids. 2 people working in a small apartment even without kids is tough.
Moving expenses= see tiny apartments. Some childless folks want to move because they lost jobs or need more space for working.

Jesus. Parents aren't the only people affected. We ALL are. Do you think childless people have been sipping champagne and kicking back carefree? The only people who really haven't been are the super rich.

Ok but I didn’t see any people with small kids learning to bake sourdough, reaching the end of Netflix, or starting new hobbies, other than excessive drinking.

[Anonymous]

I'm so tired of having too high an income for anything. We are living paycheck to paycheck but always above the threshold for relief.

[Anonymous]

How many posts have we read about husbands not carrying an equal load? Is this the government's responsibility?