Colleges should just keep the students there even if they are sick

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could drive 8 hours to get your kid. That is pretty safe.

No it is not. Because then the parent would get Covid. And the parent is more at risk for complications than the kid is. If parents can’t deal with having their kid test positive for Covid and stay on campus in the quarantine dorm, then parents shouldn’t support their kids going to college on campus. Don’t send your kid with the plan that you will come pick him or her up if he or she tests positive for Covid. That will contribute to community spread. The kid who goes off to college, gets Covid, and then expects his parents to come pick them up is the height of selfishness.

This is precisely why my kid applied for a waiver , so she could be a distance learner. This scenario is something every family should have thought through!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is exactly what most people are saying....

I have two college freshman - one already on campus and one about to go next week.....

If either of my kids gets sick - meaning tests positive for Covid AND has symptoms - I would 100% bring them home.

But kids going to quarantine may have tested positive but have no symptoms or they were in contact with someone who tested positive. That being said...here's my two cents...

If your kid tests positive....he/she must quarantine for 14 days AT HOME if within 3-4 hrs drive. All others must quarantine on campus, hotel, etc.

If your kid has Covid symptoms and tests positive...he/she MUST GO HOME for treatment at home.

I think ALL students should be directed to get tested on their own/parents dime.

Also all students caught violating Covid protocol should be suspended and sent home! Violating COVID protocol should be treated same as violating the honor code/cheating on test.

Is this perfect? No....but this way...the students who test negative and follow protocol get to stay on campus.

Please do not send your symptomatic student home via a busy airport and on a plane/train/bus/uber. This is hyper virus spreading behavior when you are supposed to be quarantining. A better plan would be for a parent to fly out and rent an air bnb or adjoining hotel Room for the two weeks to monitor. Some campuses have covid dorms. International students will not be able to fly home and back for this recovery. Again think mass spread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I didn’t believe in my child’s ability to make good decisions and in my child’s SLAC’s plan for prevention, testing, mitigation, quarantine, etc., I would not have sent my child back. Full stop. I would never send my kid to UNC, NC State, Alabama, UGA in a pandemic. But I believe my child’s SLAC can make it work, and that they have a good plan to prevent community spread, and a good plan to care for positive students. And so I sent a pulse ox monitor, will trust that the public health nurse will, in fact, do an in person check on my kid twice a day, and that my kid will ask for help if needed. And FaceTime several times a day.

The fact is that my kid is 8 hours away. There is no safe way to get him home. I can’t put a positive kid on a plane or train. And if a parent picks him up, that parent will be infected after 8 hours in the car.



Also, I take COVID very seriously. But for a healthy 18 year old, it really is no more dangerous than the flu. Last time I checked, their were zero deaths of teens in Fairfax County. So the pick up bodies at night thing seems hysterical.

Did people who sent their kids to school not play out all of the scenarios? I don’t get these parents who are now balking at the plan they agreed to.

Yeah. I don’t either. Certainly you look at the college’s plan, weigh how realistic the plan is giving the housing situation and social scene, look at the plan for classes (why cram into a dorm for 100% remote?), look at how you child will be cared for— or if they will be cared for— if the are exposed, positive but asymptomatic or symptomatic, and do a gut check on whether you really believe your kid will wear the mask, avoid parties, and generally be responsible— and really think and talk to your spouse and kid before writing the tuition check, right? Right?

I mean, not if your an Alabama or UNC parent apparently. But I would hope everyone else got real with themselves and their kid about what it would look like if the kid tested positive and was or was not symptomatic. Both in terms of classes and in terms of how the child would be cared for without endangering the general public or more vulnerable members of the family.

But apparently it is just now dawning on some parents their kids could get COVID. Trumpkins waiting for it to magically disappear, maybe?

[Anonymous]

It would depend on the magnitude of sickness. My young adult child had a mild case with slight fever and cold symptoms. She isolated in her room for 2 weeks. None of us got it. In cases like hers, it’s much safer to stay put in one place than travel and expose others. If colleges have space to quarantine/isolate mildly sick kids, I’m all for it.

[Anonymous]

Having a college student who tested positive travel home is akin to driving under the influence: You endanger the lives of other people!! Actually it's worse, as they could just set off a super-spreader event that harms dozens and kills a few. If you want to pick them up by car and have them risk losing you (as you are at larger risk), go right ahead. But yeah, people here who pushed for the reopening of colleges and now suggest sick students travel home are nuts, plain and simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I didn’t believe in my child’s ability to make good decisions and in my child’s SLAC’s plan for prevention, testing, mitigation, quarantine, etc., I would not have sent my child back. Full stop. I would never send my kid to UNC, NC State, Alabama, UGA in a pandemic. But I believe my child’s SLAC can make it work, and that they have a good plan to prevent community spread, and a good plan to care for positive students. And so I sent a pulse ox monitor, will trust that the public health nurse will, in fact, do an in person check on my kid twice a day, and that my kid will ask for help if needed. And FaceTime several times a day.

The fact is that my kid is 8 hours away. There is no safe way to get him home. I can’t put a positive kid on a plane or train. And if a parent picks him up, that parent will be infected after 8 hours in the car.



Also, I take COVID very seriously. But for a healthy 18 year old, it really is no more dangerous than the flu. Last time I checked, their were zero deaths of teens in Fairfax County. So the pick up bodies at night thing seems hysterical.

Did people who sent their kids to school not play out all of the scenarios? I don’t get these parents who are now balking at the plan they agreed to.

Yeah. I don’t either. Certainly you look at the college’s plan, weigh how realistic the plan is giving the housing situation and social scene, look at the plan for classes (why cram into a dorm for 100% remote?), look at how you child will be cared for— or if they will be cared for— if the are exposed, positive but asymptomatic or symptomatic, and do a gut check on whether you really believe your kid will wear the mask, avoid parties, and generally be responsible— and really think and talk to your spouse and kid before writing the tuition check, right? Right?

I mean, not if your an Alabama or UNC parent apparently. But I would hope everyone else got real with themselves and their kid about what it would look like if the kid tested positive and was or was not symptomatic. Both in terms of classes and in terms of how the child would be cared for without endangering the general public or more vulnerable members of the family.

But apparently it is just now dawning on some parents their kids could get COVID. Trumpkins waiting for it to magically disappear, maybe?

Please stop it with the ragging on Alabama. I'm not an Alabama fan, but that story has been so twisted. The case number cited by the NYT that ranks UAB as highest in covid cases includes all covid cases since January at the University of Alabama Birmingham teaching hospital, which is huge regional medical center. There have been 10 cases of covid diagnosed among UAB students since August 18.

https://www.uab.edu/news/campus/item/11515-new-york-times-reports-misleading-data-of-high-covid-19-cases-at-uab-in-story-about-colleges-universities

UAB’s clinical enterprise – which includes UAB Medicine, more than 17,500 employees and one of the nation’s largest hospitals, and welcomes more than 1.6 million patient visits a year – has provided vital healthcare services throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes our healthcare providers on the frontlines who have cared for more than 1,100 hospitalized COVID-positive patients, as well as additional COVID-positive patients cared for in out-patient, ambulatory settings. This year, 733 faculty and staff in the clinical enterprise (4.1% of 17,500 total clinical enterprise employee population) have tested positive for COVID-19. 679 clinical enterprise employees have completed COVID-19 protocols and cleared to return to work.

These data include positive COVID-19 cases on- and off-campus throughout 2020, and contact tracing identified the vast majority of these cases (more than 80%) were acquired in the community, not at UAB. UAB is Alabama’s largest single employer, and like many businesses, our employees have not been immune to the spread of COVID-19 throughout the communities in which we live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I didn’t believe in my child’s ability to make good decisions and in my child’s SLAC’s plan for prevention, testing, mitigation, quarantine, etc., I would not have sent my child back. Full stop. I would never send my kid to UNC, NC State, Alabama, UGA in a pandemic. But I believe my child’s SLAC can make it work, and that they have a good plan to prevent community spread, and a good plan to care for positive students. And so I sent a pulse ox monitor, will trust that the public health nurse will, in fact, do an in person check on my kid twice a day, and that my kid will ask for help if needed. And FaceTime several times a day.

The fact is that my kid is 8 hours away. There is no safe way to get him home. I can’t put a positive kid on a plane or train. And if a parent picks him up, that parent will be infected after 8 hours in the car.



Also, I take COVID very seriously. But for a healthy 18 year old, it really is no more dangerous than the flu. Last time I checked, their were zero deaths of teens in Fairfax County. So the pick up bodies at night thing seems hysterical.

Did people who sent their kids to school not play out all of the scenarios? I don’t get these parents who are now balking at the plan they agreed to.

Yeah. I don’t either. Certainly you look at the college’s plan, weigh how realistic the plan is giving the housing situation and social scene, look at the plan for classes (why cram into a dorm for 100% remote?), look at how you child will be cared for— or if they will be cared for— if the are exposed, positive but asymptomatic or symptomatic, and do a gut check on whether you really believe your kid will wear the mask, avoid parties, and generally be responsible— and really think and talk to your spouse and kid before writing the tuition check, right? Right?

I mean, not if your an Alabama or UNC parent apparently. But I would hope everyone else got real with themselves and their kid about what it would look like if the kid tested positive and was or was not symptomatic. Both in terms of classes and in terms of how the child would be cared for without endangering the general public or more vulnerable members of the family.

But apparently it is just now dawning on some parents their kids could get COVID. Trumpkins waiting for it to magically disappear, maybe?

Please stop it with the ragging on Alabama. I'm not an Alabama fan, but that story has been so twisted. The case number cited by the NYT that ranks UAB as highest in covid cases includes all covid cases since January at the University of Alabama Birmingham teaching hospital, which is huge regional medical center. There have been 10 cases of covid diagnosed among UAB students since August 18.

https://www.uab.edu/news/campus/item/11515-new-york-times-reports-misleading-data-of-high-covid-19-cases-at-uab-in-story-about-colleges-universities

UAB’s clinical enterprise – which includes UAB Medicine, more than 17,500 employees and one of the nation’s largest hospitals, and welcomes more than 1.6 million patient visits a year – has provided vital healthcare services throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes our healthcare providers on the frontlines who have cared for more than 1,100 hospitalized COVID-positive patients, as well as additional COVID-positive patients cared for in out-patient, ambulatory settings. This year, 733 faculty and staff in the clinical enterprise (4.1% of 17,500 total clinical enterprise employee population) have tested positive for COVID-19. 679 clinical enterprise employees have completed COVID-19 protocols and cleared to return to work.

These data include positive COVID-19 cases on- and off-campus throughout 2020, and contact tracing identified the vast majority of these cases (more than 80%) were acquired in the community, not at UAB. UAB is Alabama’s largest single employer, and like many businesses, our employees have not been immune to the spread of COVID-19 throughout the communities in which we live.

Check the dashboard. University of Alabama, main campus, had 481 cases diagnosed over a three day period, from 8/25 to 8/27. This Is among students only— not faculty, staff or patients. And EXCLUDES entry testing. It’s community spread only.

They have since stopped updating their data.

https://uasystem.edu/covid-19-dashboard/

They absolutely deserve to be “ragged”.


ps: your article is from 8/26, before any post entry testing data and the 481 cases had been disclosed.

[Anonymous]

Bad idea. If the athletes are scared of it and not playing the season, why would anybody risk their sons and daughters?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-can-wreck-your-heart-even-if-you-havent-had-any-symptoms/

[Anonymous]

Talked with a friend yesterday whose child, and all their roommates, tested positive at a well-known southern university.

All were symptomatic. They kept them in town (they have an apartment) and let them quarantine for 10-14 days.

At this point, a lot of college students have a "let me get it and get it over with" mentality. I think this is the right move, rather than sending them home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is exactly what most people are saying....

I have two college freshman - one already on campus and one about to go next week.....

If either of my kids gets sick - meaning tests positive for Covid AND has symptoms - I would 100% bring them home.

But kids going to quarantine may have tested positive but have no symptoms or they were in contact with someone who tested positive. That being said...here's my two cents...

If your kid tests positive....he/she must quarantine for 14 days AT HOME if within 3-4 hrs drive. All others must quarantine on campus, hotel, etc.

If your kid has Covid symptoms and tests positive...he/she MUST GO HOME for treatment at home.

I think ALL students should be directed to get tested on their own/parents dime.

Also all students caught violating Covid protocol should be suspended and sent home! Violating COVID protocol should be treated same as violating the honor code/cheating on test.

Is this perfect? No....but this way...the students who test negative and follow protocol get to stay on campus.

You're assuming that all students are "kids" with loving, hovering, capable parents with a stable "home" to return to.
Many college students (even the ones who recently turned 18) are on their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Talked with a friend yesterday whose child, and all their roommates, tested positive at a well-known southern university.

All were symptomatic. They kept them in town (they have an apartent) and let them quarantine for 10-14 days.

At this point, a lot of college students have a "let me get it and get it over with" mentality. I think this is the right move, rather than sending them home.

Yes, except now there is evidence that you can get re-infected with the virus, so this may not amount to "getting it over with."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are pps that are suggesting this?

It's what Fauci is saying, and it's epidemiologically accurate. The wrong thing to do is sending these students back into their home communities to infect more people.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-colleges-fauci-urges-schools-keep-students-campus-outbreaks-n1238997

This was a risk people took on when they decided to go to their campuses in-person. I had assumed that all of you who did this had thought through this outcome and planned for it. (Certainly this board was full of people ranting about how they had done that and were OK with it.)

It's awful, but it's why I didn't send a student to college this year. At some point you have to take responsibility for your decision to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could drive 8 hours to get your kid. That is pretty safe.

No it is not. Because then the parent would get Covid. And the parent is more at risk for complications than the kid is. If parents can’t deal with having their kid test positive for Covid and stay on campus in the quarantine dorm, then parents shouldn’t support their kids going to college on campus. Don’t send your kid with the plan that you will come pick him or her up if he or she tests positive for Covid. That will contribute to community spread. The kid who goes off to college, gets Covid, and then expects his parents to come pick them up is the height of selfishness.

+100 And there is an upside to your kid getting covid on campus...you no longer have to worry about having him bring it home to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is exactly what most people are saying....

I have two college freshman - one already on campus and one about to go next week.....

If either of my kids gets sick - meaning tests positive for Covid AND has symptoms - I would 100% bring them home.

But kids going to quarantine may have tested positive but have no symptoms or they were in contact with someone who tested positive. That being said...here's my two cents...

If your kid tests positive....he/she must quarantine for 14 days AT HOME if within 3-4 hrs drive. All others must quarantine on campus, hotel, etc.

If your kid has Covid symptoms and tests positive...he/she MUST GO HOME for treatment at home.

I think ALL students should be directed to get tested on their own/parents dime.

Also all students caught violating Covid protocol should be suspended and sent home! Violating COVID protocol should be treated same as violating the honor code/cheating on test.

Is this perfect? No....but this way...the students who test negative and follow protocol get to stay on campus.

I have no idea where you get these lunatic ideas, but this is not the way it is done. Kids who test positive, should stay at school in isolation. I have heard at my son's school the isolation and quarantine units are pretty nice...one is at a 4 star hotel with nice linens and steak for dinner. These kids are all recovering nicely. It's fine. You should not have sent your kid to school helicopter lady.

[Anonymous]

Wow where is that?