Does anyone else think women’s sexual function is viewed as a a luxury, while men’s as a right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who the heck thinks men have a “right” to sexual function?

The people who want Viagra covered by insurance but not birth control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10:26 PP, I cited the statistics precisely because I know this forum is full of people that every time someone mentions pelvic floor damage they say “because vaginal birth!”.

I’m fine with whatever birth you want to have, as long as it’s informed. No birth choice will make you better. Saying that pelvic floor damage has to be accepted when you have a vaginal birth is not informed. If you prefer a c-section that’s fine, but don’t push it on others under false arguments.

You actually didn’t cite any real statistics.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. To avoid this, read and prepare yourself on how to avoid pelvic floor damage. Be ready to advocate for yourself.

Statistics of models with fewer medical interventions have a completely different distribution of pelvic floor damage, so this is not something normal that comes with vaginal birth that we just have to accept. See for one the statistics of Ina May Gaskin’s center, there are similar statistics available for birth centers in the UK and Australia.

c sections reduce pelvic floor damage.

Not really, no. Wouldn't it be nice if it did?

Yes, it does. Which isn’t to say you won’t develop a pelvic floor disorder since pregnancy causes damage, too. But c sections have some degree of protectiveness.

“Vaginal childbirth is associated with increased incidence of SUI and pelvic organ prolapse. The association of other pelvic floor disorders with vaginal birth is less well established; however, operative vaginal delivery is associated with overactive bladder symptoms.“

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3681820/

I read the study, it doesn’t say that pelvic floor damage HAS to happen with any vaginal birth, in fact it says it is more likely in “operative vaginal birth” which are those assisted by vacuum or forceps. Precisely it could be caused by current practices in the OB-led model of care, which could be one of the modifiable risk factors that need to be addressed.

“Pelvic floor disorders represent a significant health problem affecting women of all ages. Identification of potential modifiable risk factors and advancement in understanding of the underlying pathophysiology is crucial for primary and secondary prevention of these disorders and for improvement in treatment strategies.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the heck thinks men have a “right” to sexual function?

LMAO. Like every man ever and about 50% of pick me ass women.

And pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

And the government and justice system.

How do they think that? What do they do to advance that “right”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the heck thinks men have a “right” to sexual function?

LMAO. Like every man ever and about 50% of pick me ass women.

And pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

They don’t think you have a “right” to it - they will only help you if you pay them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who the heck thinks men have a “right” to sexual function?

LMAO. Like every man ever and about 50% of pick me ass women.

I’m a man and I don’t think that.

Men don’t think they have a “right” to get a woody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:10:26 PP, I cited the statistics precisely because I know this forum is full of people that every time someone mentions pelvic floor damage they say “because vaginal birth!”.

I’m fine with whatever birth you want to have, as long as it’s informed. No birth choice will make you better. Saying that pelvic floor damage has to be accepted when you have a vaginal birth is not informed. If you prefer a c-section that’s fine, but don’t push it on others under false arguments.

This isn't true

Obviously you don't get 3rd and 4th degree tears w c sections

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10:26 PP, I cited the statistics precisely because I know this forum is full of people that every time someone mentions pelvic floor damage they say “because vaginal birth!”.

I’m fine with whatever birth you want to have, as long as it’s informed. No birth choice will make you better. Saying that pelvic floor damage has to be accepted when you have a vaginal birth is not informed. If you prefer a c-section that’s fine, but don’t push it on others under false arguments.

This isn't true

Obviously you don't get 3rd and 4th degree tears w c sections

::facepalm::

No one said you did. And those are not SURE outcomes of a vaginal birth either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. To avoid this, read and prepare yourself on how to avoid pelvic floor damage. Be ready to advocate for yourself.

Statistics of models with fewer medical interventions have a completely different distribution of pelvic floor damage, so this is not something normal that comes with vaginal birth that we just have to accept. See for one the statistics of Ina May Gaskin’s center, there are similar statistics available for birth centers in the UK and Australia.

c sections reduce pelvic floor damage.

Not really, no. Wouldn't it be nice if it did?

Yes, it does. Which isn’t to say you won’t develop a pelvic floor disorder since pregnancy causes damage, too. But c sections have some degree of protectiveness.

“Vaginal childbirth is associated with increased incidence of SUI and pelvic organ prolapse. The association of other pelvic floor disorders with vaginal birth is less well established; however, operative vaginal delivery is associated with overactive bladder symptoms.“

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3681820/

I read the study, it doesn’t say that pelvic floor damage HAS to happen with any vaginal birth, in fact it says it is more likely in “operative vaginal birth” which are those assisted by vacuum or forceps. Precisely it could be caused by current practices in the OB-led model of care, which could be one of the modifiable risk factors that need to be addressed.

“Pelvic floor disorders represent a significant health problem affecting women of all ages. Identification of potential modifiable risk factors and advancement in understanding of the underlying pathophysiology is crucial for primary and secondary prevention of these disorders and for improvement in treatment strategies.”

Literally no one on this thread has said that. You're arguing against a strawman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. To avoid this, read and prepare yourself on how to avoid pelvic floor damage. Be ready to advocate for yourself.

Statistics of models with fewer medical interventions have a completely different distribution of pelvic floor damage, so this is not something normal that comes with vaginal birth that we just have to accept. See for one the statistics of Ina May Gaskin’s center, there are similar statistics available for birth centers in the UK and Australia.

c sections reduce pelvic floor damage.

Not really, no. Wouldn't it be nice if it did?

Yes, it does. Which isn’t to say you won’t develop a pelvic floor disorder since pregnancy causes damage, too. But c sections have some degree of protectiveness.

“Vaginal childbirth is associated with increased incidence of SUI and pelvic organ prolapse. The association of other pelvic floor disorders with vaginal birth is less well established; however, operative vaginal delivery is associated with overactive bladder symptoms.“

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3681820/

I read the study, it doesn’t say that pelvic floor damage HAS to happen with any vaginal birth, in fact it says it is more likely in “operative vaginal birth” which are those assisted by vacuum or forceps. Precisely it could be caused by current practices in the OB-led model of care, which could be one of the modifiable risk factors that need to be addressed.

“Pelvic floor disorders represent a significant health problem affecting women of all ages. Identification of potential modifiable risk factors and advancement in understanding of the underlying pathophysiology is crucial for primary and secondary prevention of these disorders and for improvement in treatment strategies.”

Literally no one on this thread has said that. You're arguing against a strawman.

What is your point, because it’s really not quite clear? But I will take statistics from a physician who is the head of the pelvic floor disorders center at Johns Hopkins University and are peer reviewed and published in academic medical journals over a homebirth midwife with zero degrees or medical training’s self-reported statistics. And don’t get me started on Ina May’s overt racism or her theft of midwifery practices from indigenous women in South America which she then named after herself.

“Compared with women who had a cesarean birth before active labor, women who had a vaginal birth (but no operative vaginal births) had almost a threefold increased risk of stress incontinence and symptomatic prolapse. The odds ratio for prolapse was increased more than fivefold.

Women who had undergone operative vaginal birth fared even worse. The adjusted odds of stress incontinence and overactive bladder were more than quadrupled. There was almost an eightfold increased risk of prolapse upon exam.

In her report, Dr. Handa noted that in addition to demonstrating the dramatic increase in pelvic floor disorders in women with a history of at least one operative vaginal birth, the results showed an increase in urinary incontinence after operative delivery – a finding that had not been definitively documented before. For those who had undergone cesarean delivery, the results showed no association between active labor and pelvic floor disorders.”

https://www.mdedge.com/obgyn/article/52351/obstetrics/pelvic-floor-disorders-higher-after-vaginal-delivery-vs-c-section

[Anonymous]

“In O&G Magazine, Autumn 2014,1 we reviewed epidemiological evidence (Table 1) on partial protection of caesarean section (CS) on aspects of PFD, especially for pelvic organ prolapse (POP). POP is a particularly significant problem with lifetime risk for surgery of up to 20 per cent and high re-operation rate of up to 30 per cent.2 3, In the USA, it has been estimated that approximately 200 000 prolapse procedures are performed annually4 with a direct cost of over US$1 billion.5 With the ageing population, prevalence of surgery for PFD is likely to increase substantially. The aetiology of PFD is multifactorial and still not well understood, but includes childbirth, changes in collagen metabolism,6 7 obesity,8 ageing9 10 and menopause.11 Evidence from epidemiological and observational cohort studies suggests that vaginal birth (VB) is the main aetiological factor.“

https://www.ogmagazine.org.au/18/4-18/unintended-harm-pelvic-floor-trauma/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-1201

[Anonymous]

Yes my friend went to her male OB and said she was having pain with sex and he literally told her to have some wine and try again.