Is AAP race blind? Are there quotas?

[Anonymous]

The thing that really bothers me about racial quotas is that they're lumping groups together in a way that absolves them from including Latinx and AAs. In my kid's AAP classes, most of the Hispanic kids are white kids of Spanish origin and not Latinx. Likewise, most of the black kids are African immigrants and not African Americans. In both cases, it's kids from generally privileged groups taking spots that are nominally intended for underprivileged groups.

[Anonymous]

What bothers me about considering race is that people of certain ethnicities are compared to each other instead of the group as whole. Ie. Is this Asian better at then the other Asians? Is this Hispanic higher than other Hispanics? What about the group as a whole? CLEARLY race is a factor in placement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hindsight! What was that movie in the 80s where the actor checks off a different ethnicity to get into Harvard?! I'm joking ... but reading that other thread, I'm thinking people may be creatively applying the ethnic profile on themselves and their kids.

23 and me should give you insight

American Indian?! Be like Warren ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What bothers me about considering race is that people of certain ethnicities are compared to each other instead of the group as whole. Ie. Is this Asian better at then the other Asians? Is this Hispanic higher than other Hispanics? What about the group as a whole? CLEARLY race is a factor in placement.

What bothers me about it is that FCPS will not be transparent about space issues or race factors. That is what is truly troublesome, but it's a battle that you can't win. As the Harvard case proved, litigating will not get you the result you want because in the end there's broad level representation and it's very hard to prove capriciousness.

[Anonymous]

There is not a limited number of AAP spots. Stop with the false narrative about one group taking away from another's spots.

Agree with PP who noted that the spanish speakers are from Spain/otherwise white. I've noticed the same. Our kid's class had AA.

The criteria for admission should stay the same or go higher for AAP. The answer is not to water down the pool. That does not serve the bright kids who truly need the advanced pace.

[Anonymous]

So each school DOES have limited AAP Spots due to the available classrooms and teachers. I know ours has a max of 90 and last year only had 75.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hindsight! What was that movie in the 80s where the actor checks off a different ethnicity to get into Harvard?! I'm joking ... but reading that other thread, I'm thinking people may be creatively applying the ethnic profile on themselves and their kids.

23 and me should give you insight

American Indian?! Be like Warren ...

go back 100,000 years and we're all African Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is not a limited number of AAP spots. Stop with the false narrative about one group taking away from another's spots.

Agree with PP who noted that the spanish speakers are from Spain/otherwise white. I've noticed the same. Our kid's class had AA.

The criteria for admission should stay the same or go higher for AAP. The answer is not to water down the pool. That does not serve the bright kids who truly need the advanced pace.

why do they bright kids truly need an advanced pace, and why is it the county's responsibility to provide it? I have no qualms with any kid who can do level IV work being in level IV- of course that would mean the majority in some schools because level IV is what level II should be

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is not a limited number of AAP spots. Stop with the false narrative about one group taking away from another's spots.

Agree with PP who noted that the spanish speakers are from Spain/otherwise white. I've noticed the same. Our kid's class had AA.

The criteria for admission should stay the same or go higher for AAP. The answer is not to water down the pool. That does not serve the bright kids who truly need the advanced pace.

The false narrative is that there is unlimited space (physical space), unlimited resources (teacher availability) available to each school and no racial profiling going on. It's people like you who are spreading the false narrative. If any of that was true, FCPS could just put out thresholds (enough to capture a certain % of URMs) and say anyone who meets the threshold is in. You wouldn't need a central committee to screen anything. It's an in or out decision, based on some numerical criteria whether it be CoGAT score, GBRS or some other value.
Because if you meet the threshold, there's unlimited space available for you. I don't understand why it's so hard for parents to understand this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hindsight! What was that movie in the 80s where the actor checks off a different ethnicity to get into Harvard?! I'm joking ... but reading that other thread, I'm thinking people may be creatively applying the ethnic profile on themselves and their kids.

23 and me should give you insight

American Indian?! Be like Warren ...

go back 100,000 years and we're all African Americans.

even better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is not a limited number of AAP spots. Stop with the false narrative about one group taking away from another's spots.

Agree with PP who noted that the spanish speakers are from Spain/otherwise white. I've noticed the same. Our kid's class had AA.

The criteria for admission should stay the same or go higher for AAP. The answer is not to water down the pool. That does not serve the bright kids who truly need the advanced pace.

The false narrative is that there is unlimited space (physical space), unlimited resources (teacher availability) available to each school and no racial profiling going on. It's people like you who are spreading the false narrative. If any of that was true, FCPS could just put out thresholds (enough to capture a certain % of URMs) and say anyone who meets the threshold is in. You wouldn't need a central committee to screen anything. It's an in or out decision, based on some numerical criteria whether it be CoGAT score, GBRS or some other value.


Um, there are threshold minimum limits to what kids must score on the CogAT and NNAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is not a limited number of AAP spots. Stop with the false narrative about one group taking away from another's spots.

Agree with PP who noted that the spanish speakers are from Spain/otherwise white. I've noticed the same. Our kid's class had AA.

The criteria for admission should stay the same or go higher for AAP. The answer is not to water down the pool. That does not serve the bright kids who truly need the advanced pace.

why do they bright kids truly need an advanced pace, and why is it the county's responsibility to provide it? I have no qualms with any kid who can do level IV work being in level IV- of course that would mean the majority in some schools because level IV is what level II should be

Most of this post doesn't make sense. I'm not even sure what your point is.

It is the county's responsibility to provide advanced pace for those who need it and it is in our best interest to do so. Fairfax County is known for its school (and really its AAP program). Lower the standards on that and the bread and butter of this county are down the toilet. And no, level IV work at least at my kids' school is not something they would be able to do at level II. Maybe that isnt standard across the county though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Um, there are threshold minimum limits to what kids must score on the CogAT and NNAT.

Nope. Anyone can parent refer any child with any scores. The equity report shows that some kids are being accepted even with very low scores on the tests. It also shows that GBRS is significantly more important than any test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So each school DOES have limited AAP Spots due to the available classrooms and teachers. I know ours has a max of 90 and last year only had 75.

That just means a kid would go where there are spots. The spots are not limited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is not a limited number of AAP spots. Stop with the false narrative about one group taking away from another's spots.

Agree with PP who noted that the spanish speakers are from Spain/otherwise white. I've noticed the same. Our kid's class had AA.

The criteria for admission should stay the same or go higher for AAP. The answer is not to water down the pool. That does not serve the bright kids who truly need the advanced pace.

The false narrative is that there is unlimited space (physical space), unlimited resources (teacher availability) available to each school and no racial profiling going on. It's people like you who are spreading the false narrative. If any of that was true, FCPS could just put out thresholds (enough to capture a certain % of URMs) and say anyone who meets the threshold is in. You wouldn't need a central committee to screen anything. It's an in or out decision, based on some numerical criteria whether it be CoGAT score, GBRS or some other value.


Um, there are threshold minimum limits to what kids must score on the CogAT and NNAT.

No, there is a threshold minimum for whether you are automatically "in pool" for consideration. There is no threshold minimum that guarantees you a spot into LIV.