Reason why it's nerve-racking to go back to school in person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

I think your post pretty much summarizes the situation. There are some people who refuse to accept any risk, and there are some people who think the risk level is acceptable and the benefit of being in school outweighs the risk. It seems like letting people choose remote vs physical learning is the most sensible approach.

Sort of. The problem is that if the goal is to remove the virus from the population, then half the people going to school and acting like there is no risk, mean is stays and spreads and spreads, and we continue to be banned form other countries, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

They're absolutely accurate. The only way to guarantee that nobody will get covid at school is to not have school. The only way to guarantee that you won't get heart disease is to not be alive. The only way to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive is to not drive anywhere. The only way to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed is to not get out of bed.

Nope. You are not getting that right at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, take anything you read on CNN Health and Slate about any medical issue with a grain of salt.

- A Physician

The Slate story is about the sleepaway camp in Missouri. The issue is not with the Slate story, it's with the OP worrying about school on grounds that there was a case cluster at a sleepaway camp.

You make too much of the setting. The point is kids spread it to each other at camp so they can spread it to each other at school.

Because sleepaway camp is just like school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

They're absolutely accurate. The only way to guarantee that nobody will get covid at school is to not have school. The only way to guarantee that you won't get heart disease is to not be alive. The only way to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive is to not drive anywhere. The only way to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed is to not get out of bed.

Nope. You are not getting that right at all.

Which parts are wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, take anything you read on CNN Health and Slate about any medical issue with a grain of salt.

- A Physician

The Slate story is about the sleepaway camp in Missouri. The issue is not with the Slate story, it's with the OP worrying about school on grounds that there was a case cluster at a sleepaway camp.

You make too much of the setting. The point is kids spread it to each other at camp so they can spread it to each other at school.

Because sleepaway camp is just like school?

???? Irrelevant.

Question: Can kids catch and spread covid?
Answer: Yes.
How do we know? Because they have done so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

They're absolutely accurate. The only way to guarantee that nobody will get covid at school is to not have school. The only way to guarantee that you won't get heart disease is to not be alive. The only way to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive is to not drive anywhere. The only way to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed is to not get out of bed.

Nope. You are not getting that right at all.

Which parts are wrong?

All of it. A bad analogy is a bad analogy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, take anything you read on CNN Health and Slate about any medical issue with a grain of salt.

- A Physician

The Slate story is about the sleepaway camp in Missouri. The issue is not with the Slate story, it's with the OP worrying about school on grounds that there was a case cluster at a sleepaway camp.

You make too much of the setting. The point is kids spread it to each other at camp so they can spread it to each other at school.

Are you kidding?

There is so much difference between sleepaway camp and in-person, socially distanced school days where kids go home at the end of the day.

I can understand if MCPS cancels Outdoor Ed for this reason, but it’s not a good reason to cancel regular school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

I think your post pretty much summarizes the situation. There are some people who refuse to accept any risk, and there are some people who think the risk level is acceptable and the benefit of being in school outweighs the risk. It seems like letting people choose remote vs physical learning is the most sensible approach.

Sort of. The problem is that if the goal is to remove the virus from the population, then half the people going to school and acting like there is no risk, mean is stays and spreads and spreads, and we continue to be banned form other countries, etc.

WTF? Schools have been closed for more than 4 months! Obviously they contributed zero to virus spread. If anything schools should have priority to open. Not bars and restaurants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, take anything you read on CNN Health and Slate about any medical issue with a grain of salt.

- A Physician

The Slate story is about the sleepaway camp in Missouri. The issue is not with the Slate story, it's with the OP worrying about school on grounds that there was a case cluster at a sleepaway camp.

You make too much of the setting. The point is kids spread it to each other at camp so they can spread it to each other at school.

Are you kidding?

There is so much difference between sleepaway camp and in-person, socially distanced school days where kids go home at the end of the day.

I can understand if MCPS cancels Outdoor Ed for this reason, but it’s not a good reason to cancel regular school.

So You only get covid when you're sleeping in a cabin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, take anything you read on CNN Health and Slate about any medical issue with a grain of salt.

- A Physician

The Slate story is about the sleepaway camp in Missouri. The issue is not with the Slate story, it's with the OP worrying about school on grounds that there was a case cluster at a sleepaway camp.

You make too much of the setting. The point is kids spread it to each other at camp so they can spread it to each other at school.

Because sleepaway camp is just like school?

???? Irrelevant.

Question: Can kids catch and spread covid?
Answer: Yes.
How do we know? Because they have done so.

It's not a question of whether kids can get it or not--anyone paying attention knows that kids can get it. This is a question of risk mitigation. No in-person school will be 100% safe, but can we send kids back with precautions that greatly lower the risk of transmission? This is the question being addressed.

Sleepaway camp seems like it'd be a much higher risk situation--older kids/teens sleeping in close quarters with no masks. Physically distanced younger kids in a classroom with masks seems like a much lower risk profile, based on the available data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

They're absolutely accurate. The only way to guarantee that nobody will get covid at school is to not have school. The only way to guarantee that you won't get heart disease is to not be alive. The only way to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive is to not drive anywhere. The only way to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed is to not get out of bed.

Nope. You are not getting that right at all.

Which parts are wrong?

DP

There is nothing wrong with the analogy.

There is a poster on here who simply says ‘You’re wrong’ when he/she disagrees with a post. Without providing any good reasons. Because he/she has none.

Obviously unable to form a coherent argument. Likely a product of MCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, if you want a guarantee that nobody will get covid at school, that's not possible.

Just like it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get heart disease, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive somewhere, and it's not possible to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed tomorrow morning.

Those are not accurate comparisons.

OP, I'm not going to be wondering every single day if my kids were exposed, or if they brought it into our house. I'm just not.

They're absolutely accurate. The only way to guarantee that nobody will get covid at school is to not have school. The only way to guarantee that you won't get heart disease is to not be alive. The only way to guarantee that you won't get in a car crash the next time you drive is to not drive anywhere. The only way to guarantee that you won't trip and fall when you get out of bed is to not get out of bed.

Nope. You are not getting that right at all.

Which parts are wrong?

All of it. A bad analogy is a bad analogy.

Why is it a bad analogy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that children are less likely to spread the virus and less likely to die from the virus but you still have the outbreak situations where lots of people are getting sick.

What assurances do we have from Montgomery County public schools that this won't happen if we go back to school? What can we learn from this? especially given that Montgomery County is saying that mass wearing for children would be optional and encouraged And there was no assurances that there would be more money set aside for cleaning supplies or improving the HVAC systems?

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/covid-19-cases-end-johns-creek-summer-camp/XAX7DVNW5VAZ3P5YRQY7V7E564/


https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/07/christian-summer-camp-kanakuk-82-cases-covid-19.amp

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

Maybe you would find it less nerve-wracking if they also told you how many of those positive cases resulted in serious negative consequences?

The last two links talk about positive cases, but that doesn’t tell you much. People can test positive and have zero symptoms. People can test positive and end up in the hospital. It’s not helpful to learn how many positive cases there are without knowing how many of those ended up seriously ill.

Nobody knows if there are long term consequences. This is a novel virus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

???? Irrelevant.

Question: Can kids catch and spread covid?
Answer: Yes.
How do we know? Because they have done so.

Has anybody said that kids never get covid and never spread covid? Not as far as I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that children are less likely to spread the virus and less likely to die from the virus but you still have the outbreak situations where lots of people are getting sick.

What assurances do we have from Montgomery County public schools that this won't happen if we go back to school? What can we learn from this? especially given that Montgomery County is saying that mass wearing for children would be optional and encouraged And there was no assurances that there would be more money set aside for cleaning supplies or improving the HVAC systems?

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/covid-19-cases-end-johns-creek-summer-camp/XAX7DVNW5VAZ3P5YRQY7V7E564/


https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/07/christian-summer-camp-kanakuk-82-cases-covid-19.amp

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

Maybe you would find it less nerve-wracking if they also told you how many of those positive cases resulted in serious negative consequences?

The last two links talk about positive cases, but that doesn’t tell you much. People can test positive and have zero symptoms. People can test positive and end up in the hospital. It’s not helpful to learn how many positive cases there are without knowing how many of those ended up seriously ill.

Nobody knows if there are long term consequences. This is a novel virus.

Should we keep schools closed for the next 5 years, or 20 years, until we've determined whether or not there are long-term consequences?