D.C. United Covid case at camp

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know, will we? A week long camp cancelling due to a covid case, yes for sure. Soccer season (if we have it) due to a case? Where do we draw the line? We need to be isolating and tracing.

Hope they are able to give refunds.

Nowhere in this country is doing isolating and tracing at the level that needs to be done to control this outbreak. With testing now 5-7 days behind isolate and trace is just a sound bite.

So is this. Let’s stop dancing around the issue and be clear. You want us to lock down again until a vaccine is widely available, correct? If not, what are the specific, objective criteria that should determine whether full practices and scrimmmages are appropriate?

There is a middle ground between lockdown and full practices/scrimmages. In Phase 2, they can still practice and keep up on skills and passing. Phase 3 is appropriate when there is not a lot of community spread AND methods of isolating and tracing. Here in the DC area, right now, cases are relatively consistent and under control. Adding in scrimmaging definitely increases exposure. But as long as community spread is low, it is manageable.

What I'm really struggling with is how we think that we are going to have tournaments in the fall. I can see one game on a weekend because, again, it is still manageable. But multiple teams from more distant locations with 3 or 4 games? I just don't see how that can happen.

Other sports have already managed to hold tournaments. It is possible.

Reopening southern states was possible. See what happened?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know, will we? A week long camp cancelling due to a covid case, yes for sure. Soccer season (if we have it) due to a case? Where do we draw the line? We need to be isolating and tracing.

Hope they are able to give refunds.

Nowhere in this country is doing isolating and tracing at the level that needs to be done to control this outbreak. With testing now 5-7 days behind isolate and trace is just a sound bite.

So is this. Let’s stop dancing around the issue and be clear. You want us to lock down again until a vaccine is widely available, correct? If not, what are the specific, objective criteria that should determine whether full practices and scrimmmages are appropriate?

There is a middle ground between lockdown and full practices/scrimmages. In Phase 2, they can still practice and keep up on skills and passing. Phase 3 is appropriate when there is not a lot of community spread AND methods of isolating and tracing. Here in the DC area, right now, cases are relatively consistent and under control. Adding in scrimmaging definitely increases exposure. But as long as community spread is low, it is manageable.

What I'm really struggling with is how we think that we are going to have tournaments in the fall. I can see one game on a weekend because, again, it is still manageable. But multiple teams from more distant locations with 3 or 4 games? I just don't see how that can happen.

Other sports have already managed to hold tournaments. It is possible.

Reopening southern states was possible. See what happened?

The death rate, and deaths, continues to fall. Social distance prevents the spread, just stay 10ish feet away from people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Covid is not going anywhere. A vaccine will help slightly but not by alot. It's coming to a field near us all. We should be moving forward - like pp said a game with restrictions on the weekends but yes- people will always test positive.The tournaments need to be scrapped though.

A vaccine will not “help by alot”

You clearly have jumped the shark of stupidity. Your agenda is childish and self centered.

Of course a vaccine will help a lot.

Go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Covid is not going anywhere. A vaccine will help slightly but not by alot. It's coming to a field near us all. We should be moving forward - like pp said a game with restrictions on the weekends but yes- people will always test positive.The tournaments need to be scrapped though.

A vaccine will not “help by alot”

You clearly have jumped the shark of stupidity. Your agenda is childish and self centered.

Of course a vaccine will help a lot.

Go away.

Different poster, but their point is valid about "covid is not going anywhere." Assume a vaccine is widely available at some point in the future. No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing you from catching a disease, so let's be optimistic and assume the covid vaccine has a 85% effective rate. Polls show roughly 50% - 67% of Americans are willing to get the vaccine once it becomes available. If that is the case, then roughly 43% - 57% of people will still be likely to catch covid post-vaccine, either because they did not get the vaccine, or the vaccine was not effective in stopping them from catching it.

So, if and when that is the new normal, that is the best we are going to be able to do with this disease, and those are the odds of returning to soccer/school/work, what are you going to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Covid is not going anywhere. A vaccine will help slightly but not by alot. It's coming to a field near us all. We should be moving forward - like pp said a game with restrictions on the weekends but yes- people will always test positive.The tournaments need to be scrapped though.

A vaccine will not “help by alot”

You clearly have jumped the shark of stupidity. Your agenda is childish and self centered.

Of course a vaccine will help a lot.

Go away.

Im sure you think saying 70s sayings like "jumped the shark" and saying mean things proves your point..but unfortunately it doesn't.

Estimates are that vaccine efficacy will be similar to the flu..which is about 45%-50%. Combine that with recent studies that 27% of people will likely decline the flu... now we have efficacy at about 35% of the population.

Now consider that the world has about 7.8 billion people- and how much vaccine will be available- and where. It depends what country distributes it. Distribution to masses will take at least a year as initial vials will be given to those most in need.

I have no agenda. I am a medical provider and I'm probably in the middle ground on this issue.

Im for opening schools and playing soccer with restrictions. Ive been working everyday as essential. My kids are in summer camp and our school is "planning" to open 5 days. Outside of those things I dont travel or do restaurants, etc.

I definitely want our society to move forward as quickly and safely as possible but the fact remains. "Alot" is subjective. So in my opinion, a vaccine will help..but not alot.

[Anonymous]

Childish pp here- jinx..we were posting at the same time but clearly have the same thought process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Covid is not going anywhere. A vaccine will help slightly but not by alot. It's coming to a field near us all. We should be moving forward - like pp said a game with restrictions on the weekends but yes- people will always test positive.The tournaments need to be scrapped though.

A vaccine will not “help by alot”

You clearly have jumped the shark of stupidity. Your agenda is childish and self centered.

Of course a vaccine will help a lot.

Go away.

Im sure you think saying 70s sayings like "jumped the shark" and saying mean things proves your point..but unfortunately it doesn't.

Estimates are that vaccine efficacy will be similar to the flu..which is about 45%-50%. Combine that with recent studies that 27% of people will likely decline the flu... now we have efficacy at about 35% of the population.

Now consider that the world has about 7.8 billion people- and how much vaccine will be available- and where. It depends what country distributes it. Distribution to masses will take at least a year as initial vials will be given to those most in need.

I have no agenda. I am a medical provider and I'm probably in the middle ground on this issue.

Im for opening schools and playing soccer with restrictions. Ive been working everyday as essential. My kids are in summer camp and our school is "planning" to open 5 days. Outside of those things I dont travel or do restaurants, etc.

I definitely want our society to move forward as quickly and safely as possible but the fact remains. "Alot" is subjective. So in my opinion, a vaccine will help..but not alot.

If you think a vaccine will not have an impact on confidence level you are wrong. We will certainly still need to be wearing facemasks for the foreseeable future until herd immunity takes effect. A vaccine plus face masks, plus maintaining levels of social distancing will have a tremendous impact moving forward.

An with comparing to the flu vaccine and its effectiveness the Covid proteins being targeted do not change, therefor a vaccine will be far more predictive an effective. Also, even with the limited effectiveness of the flu vaccine we do not shut down for the flu anymore because it does make enough of a difference.

Distribution of the vaccine in this country alone will take 2 to 4 months but by targeting vulnerable populations first we can loosen our restrictions that much quicker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Covid is not going anywhere. A vaccine will help slightly but not by alot. It's coming to a field near us all. We should be moving forward - like pp said a game with restrictions on the weekends but yes- people will always test positive.The tournaments need to be scrapped though.

A vaccine will not “help by alot”

You clearly have jumped the shark of stupidity. Your agenda is childish and self centered.

Of course a vaccine will help a lot.

Go away.

Different poster, but their point is valid about "covid is not going anywhere." Assume a vaccine is widely available at some point in the future. No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing you from catching a disease, so let's be optimistic and assume the covid vaccine has a 85% effective rate. Polls show roughly 50% - 67% of Americans are willing to get the vaccine once it becomes available. If that is the case, then roughly 43% - 57% of people will still be likely to catch covid post-vaccine, either because they did not get the vaccine, or the vaccine was not effective in stopping them from catching it.

So, if and when that is the new normal, that is the best we are going to be able to do with this disease, and those are the odds of returning to soccer/school/work, what are you going to do?

By targeting vulnerable people first with a vaccine makes a huge difference in returning to normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Covid is not going anywhere. A vaccine will help slightly but not by alot. It's coming to a field near us all. We should be moving forward - like pp said a game with restrictions on the weekends but yes- people will always test positive.The tournaments need to be scrapped though.

A vaccine will not “help by alot”

You clearly have jumped the shark of stupidity. Your agenda is childish and self centered.

Of course a vaccine will help a lot.

Go away.

Im sure you think saying 70s sayings like "jumped the shark" and saying mean things proves your point..but unfortunately it doesn't.

Estimates are that vaccine efficacy will be similar to the flu..which is about 45%-50%. Combine that with recent studies that 27% of people will likely decline the flu... now we have efficacy at about 35% of the population.

Now consider that the world has about 7.8 billion people- and how much vaccine will be available- and where. It depends what country distributes it. Distribution to masses will take at least a year as initial vials will be given to those most in need.

I have no agenda. I am a medical provider and I'm probably in the middle ground on this issue.

Im for opening schools and playing soccer with restrictions. Ive been working everyday as essential. My kids are in summer camp and our school is "planning" to open 5 days. Outside of those things I dont travel or do restaurants, etc.

I definitely want our society to move forward as quickly and safely as possible but the fact remains. "Alot" is subjective. So in my opinion, a vaccine will help..but not alot.

If you think a vaccine will not have an impact on confidence level you are wrong. We will certainly still need to be wearing facemasks for the foreseeable future until herd immunity takes effect. A vaccine plus face masks, plus maintaining levels of social distancing will have a tremendous impact moving forward.

An with comparing to the flu vaccine and its effectiveness the Covid proteins being targeted do not change, therefor a vaccine will be far more predictive an effective. Also, even with the limited effectiveness of the flu vaccine we do not shut down for the flu anymore because it does make enough of a difference.

Distribution of the vaccine in this country alone will take 2 to 4 months but by targeting vulnerable populations first we can loosen our restrictions that much quicker.

"If you think a vaccine will not have an impact on confidence level you are wrong." - no one said this anywhere... you're debating yourself.

" A vaccine plus face masks, plus maintaining levels of social distancing will have a tremendous impact moving forward."- the argument made was regarding helpfulness of the vaccine alone - not vaccine combined with social distancing and masks...youre changing the narrative. I do agree with your changed statement though.

"Distribution of the vaccine in this country alone will take 2 to 4 months" hopefully so but point was made stating time it may take months to reach the US. It depends on who distributes it.