Loudoun Soccer Premier Cup | August 21-23, 2020

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our parents told our club no tournaments this year. It's not worth it.

Not worth what? Local tournaments cost $50-$75 per kid. If you are spending $2,000 on a season, seems silly not to try to do tournaments. Or are you afraid of COVID-19? You are ok with practice and league games, but not tournaments? I don't get it.

BTW, not a loudoun parent.

Do you really not understand the difference in the level of risk of transmission between team practices and league games compared to tournaments?

And for what? Developmentally, tournaments offer zero benefits and at high school ages actually do more harm than good. Playing 3-4 games in a weekend is silly at best, dangerous at worst. They are fun social events for the kids and parents, and an opportunity for bragging rights for the clueless parents who think things like that actually matter. First and foremost though, their primary and overriding purpose is to generate revenue for the clubs.

Would be better to spread out the season and play more league matches and scrimmages. Less weekends without a match, but no weekends with multiple matches.

The difference is League games don't make the club any money the way a tournament does.

And we all know that Loudoun Soccer doesn't give money back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you signing up your team?

Think they’ll have 120 teams or more like last year?

Will their handling of COVID/refunds impact their financial stability?

Rumor has it they’re losing one team per age group/gender thus making the current squads drop in quality and depth.

I don’t think parents can sign teams up for tournaments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our parents told our club no tournaments this year. It's not worth it.

Not worth what? Local tournaments cost $50-$75 per kid. If you are spending $2,000 on a season, seems silly not to try to do tournaments. Or are you afraid of COVID-19? You are ok with practice and league games, but not tournaments? I don't get it.

BTW, not a loudoun parent.

Do you really not understand the difference in the level of risk of transmission between team practices and league games compared to tournaments?

I honestly don't know the difference in risk of transmission between a tournament vs league games. What is the difference?

Huge.

League Game:
You play a team from your region (generally) that is likely at the same phase of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive and walk to the field, generally not interacting with many others.
You arrive, warm up, play and leave.
Kids generally eat before or after the game away from the field.
One or two portapotties.
You are separated from the other team's parents.
You have a 5-7 day incubation period after the game so if either team has an infection clubs can notify the other to take precautions.
Managers, clubs, coaches are in pre-existing communication with one another if needed.
Contact tracing, if needed, is generally in one county or region and rarely cross state lines.

Tournament:
You play teams from other areas of the region or country that may or may not be at the same level of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive, negotiate through a massive crowd of other people and teams to get to your field.
You arrive, warm up, play, leave, all at the same time as many other teams are doing the same thing in a limited area.
Between games, kids hang out at the tournament, eating and interacting with others or often go to a nearby restaurant to kill time.
Portapotty overload.
You and the other team's parents are often squeezed between two fields along with parents watching games on other fields.
If there is an infection discovered on one team, all four teams are now suspect after a tournament.
Managers, clubs and coaches need to go through tournament officials to communicate if needed.
Contact tracing can more likely be across jurisdictional lines.

FWIW: I haven't heard of any public health officials give a wholehearted "go for it" to youth sports tournaments just yet. Most phased recoveries call for limited social gatherings until almost Phase 4 (vaccine). I really think a number of clubs, due in large part to the financial pressures, are putting the cart before the horse here and trying to get some pressure to move forward with these tournaments eventhough public health officials are not fully on board. I foresee a few of these tournaments not being able to get permits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our parents told our club no tournaments this year. It's not worth it.

Not worth what? Local tournaments cost $50-$75 per kid. If you are spending $2,000 on a season, seems silly not to try to do tournaments. Or are you afraid of COVID-19? You are ok with practice and league games, but not tournaments? I don't get it.

BTW, not a loudoun parent.

Do you really not understand the difference in the level of risk of transmission between team practices and league games compared to tournaments?

I honestly don't know the difference in risk of transmission between a tournament vs league games. What is the difference?

Huge.

League Game:
You play a team from your region (generally) that is likely at the same phase of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive and walk to the field, generally not interacting with many others.
You arrive, warm up, play and leave.
Kids generally eat before or after the game away from the field.
One or two portapotties.
You are separated from the other team's parents.
You have a 5-7 day incubation period after the game so if either team has an infection clubs can notify the other to take precautions.
Managers, clubs, coaches are in pre-existing communication with one another if needed.
Contact tracing, if needed, is generally in one county or region and rarely cross state lines.

Tournament:
You play teams from other areas of the region or country that may or may not be at the same level of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive, negotiate through a massive crowd of other people and teams to get to your field.
You arrive, warm up, play, leave, all at the same time as many other teams are doing the same thing in a limited area.
Between games, kids hang out at the tournament, eating and interacting with others or often go to a nearby restaurant to kill time.
Portapotty overload.
You and the other team's parents are often squeezed between two fields along with parents watching games on other fields.
If there is an infection discovered on one team, all four teams are now suspect after a tournament.
Managers, clubs and coaches need to go through tournament officials to communicate if needed.
Contact tracing can more likely be across jurisdictional lines.

FWIW: I haven't heard of any public health officials give a wholehearted "go for it" to youth sports tournaments just yet. Most phased recoveries call for limited social gatherings until almost Phase 4 (vaccine). I really think a number of clubs, due in large part to the financial pressures, are putting the cart before the horse here and trying to get some pressure to move forward with these tournaments eventhough public health officials are not fully on board. I foresee a few of these tournaments not being able to get permits.

I don’t think Loudoun are struggling for capital

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our parents told our club no tournaments this year. It's not worth it.

Not worth what? Local tournaments cost $50-$75 per kid. If you are spending $2,000 on a season, seems silly not to try to do tournaments. Or are you afraid of COVID-19? You are ok with practice and league games, but not tournaments? I don't get it.

BTW, not a loudoun parent.

Do you really not understand the difference in the level of risk of transmission between team practices and league games compared to tournaments?

I honestly don't know the difference in risk of transmission between a tournament vs league games. What is the difference?

Huge.

League Game:
You play a team from your region (generally) that is likely at the same phase of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive and walk to the field, generally not interacting with many others.
You arrive, warm up, play and leave.
Kids generally eat before or after the game away from the field.
One or two portapotties.
You are separated from the other team's parents.
You have a 5-7 day incubation period after the game so if either team has an infection clubs can notify the other to take precautions.
Managers, clubs, coaches are in pre-existing communication with one another if needed.
Contact tracing, if needed, is generally in one county or region and rarely cross state lines.

Tournament:
You play teams from other areas of the region or country that may or may not be at the same level of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive, negotiate through a massive crowd of other people and teams to get to your field.
You arrive, warm up, play, leave, all at the same time as many other teams are doing the same thing in a limited area.
Between games, kids hang out at the tournament, eating and interacting with others or often go to a nearby restaurant to kill time.
Portapotty overload.
You and the other team's parents are often squeezed between two fields along with parents watching games on other fields.
If there is an infection discovered on one team, all four teams are now suspect after a tournament.
Managers, clubs and coaches need to go through tournament officials to communicate if needed.
Contact tracing can more likely be across jurisdictional lines.

FWIW: I haven't heard of any public health officials give a wholehearted "go for it" to youth sports tournaments just yet. Most phased recoveries call for limited social gatherings until almost Phase 4 (vaccine). I really think a number of clubs, due in large part to the financial pressures, are putting the cart before the horse here and trying to get some pressure to move forward with these tournaments eventhough public health officials are not fully on board. I foresee a few of these tournaments not being able to get permits.

I don’t think Loudoun are struggling for capital

Yeah... like no one has forgotten about their recent robbery.

Class action lawsuit didn’t happen now, did it? Haven’t heard anything about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you signing up your team?

Think they’ll have 120 teams or more like last year?

Will their handling of COVID/refunds impact their financial stability?

Rumor has it they’re losing one team per age group/gender thus making the current squads drop in quality and depth.

Will refunds be given if the event is cancelled

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you signing up your team?

Think they’ll have 120 teams or more like last year?

Will their handling of COVID/refunds impact their financial stability?

Rumor has it they’re losing one team per age group/gender thus making the current squads drop in quality and depth.

Will refunds be given if the event is cancelled

Ask their current customers about Loudoun refunds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you signing up your team?

Think they’ll have 120 teams or more like last year?

Will their handling of COVID/refunds impact their financial stability?

Rumor has it they’re losing one team per age group/gender thus making the current squads drop in quality and depth.

Will refunds be given if the event is cancelled

Ask their current customers about Loudoun refunds.

They must be new around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tournaments are crap football. They have ZERO value developmentally and are not a good value for the time spent. Seedings are pulled out of a hat and you frequently end up with a blow out game (either in favor or against your kids). Our coaches actually hate them too feeling they are just a money grab for clubs that suck down an entire weekend of their coaching time.

Soccer guru calls it crap football and yet they will sit on their ass all weekend watching EPL on TV with out any physical movement. Yet their child participates in these "crap football" events and builds long lasting memories with friends. Yeah, sounds like crap to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our parents told our club no tournaments this year. It's not worth it.

Not worth what? Local tournaments cost $50-$75 per kid. If you are spending $2,000 on a season, seems silly not to try to do tournaments. Or are you afraid of COVID-19? You are ok with practice and league games, but not tournaments? I don't get it.

BTW, not a loudoun parent.

Do you really not understand the difference in the level of risk of transmission between team practices and league games compared to tournaments?

I honestly don't know the difference in risk of transmission between a tournament vs league games. What is the difference?

Huge.

League Game:
You play a team from your region (generally) that is likely at the same phase of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive and walk to the field, generally not interacting with many others.
You arrive, warm up, play and leave.
Kids generally eat before or after the game away from the field.
One or two portapotties.
You are separated from the other team's parents.
You have a 5-7 day incubation period after the game so if either team has an infection clubs can notify the other to take precautions.
Managers, clubs, coaches are in pre-existing communication with one another if needed.
Contact tracing, if needed, is generally in one county or region and rarely cross state lines.

Tournament:
You play teams from other areas of the region or country that may or may not be at the same level of recovery.
You have 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents vs. 18 kids + parents.
You arrive, negotiate through a massive crowd of other people and teams to get to your field.
You arrive, warm up, play, leave, all at the same time as many other teams are doing the same thing in a limited area.
Between games, kids hang out at the tournament, eating and interacting with others or often go to a nearby restaurant to kill time.
Portapotty overload.
You and the other team's parents are often squeezed between two fields along with parents watching games on other fields.
If there is an infection discovered on one team, all four teams are now suspect after a tournament.
Managers, clubs and coaches need to go through tournament officials to communicate if needed.
Contact tracing can more likely be across jurisdictional lines.

FWIW: I haven't heard of any public health officials give a wholehearted "go for it" to youth sports tournaments just yet. Most phased recoveries call for limited social gatherings until almost Phase 4 (vaccine). I really think a number of clubs, due in large part to the financial pressures, are putting the cart before the horse here and trying to get some pressure to move forward with these tournaments eventhough public health officials are not fully on board. I foresee a few of these tournaments not being able to get permits.

Public health offiicals don't give $hit about youth sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tournaments are crap football. They have ZERO value developmentally and are not a good value for the time spent. Seedings are pulled out of a hat and you frequently end up with a blow out game (either in favor or against your kids). Our coaches actually hate them too feeling they are just a money grab for clubs that suck down an entire weekend of their coaching time.

Soccer guru calls it crap football and yet they will sit on their ass all weekend watching EPL on TV with out any physical movement. Yet their child participates in these "crap football" events and builds long lasting memories with friends. Yeah, sounds like crap to me.

youth soccer isn't about bonding and socialization and memories, it's about sinking several thousand a year into their training from second grade through high school and making sure they progress the right way in order to achieve the ultimate prize- a partial scholarship to a DI directional school that absent sports they would never dream of applying to

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tournaments are crap football. They have ZERO value developmentally and are not a good value for the time spent. Seedings are pulled out of a hat and you frequently end up with a blow out game (either in favor or against your kids). Our coaches actually hate them too feeling they are just a money grab for clubs that suck down an entire weekend of their coaching time.

Soccer guru calls it crap football and yet they will sit on their ass all weekend watching EPL on TV with out any physical movement. Yet their child participates in these "crap football" events and builds long lasting memories with friends. Yeah, sounds like crap to me.

youth soccer isn't about bonding and socialization and memories, it's about sinking several thousand a year into their training from second grade through high school and making sure they progress the right way in order to achieve the ultimate prize- a partial scholarship to a DI directional school that absent sports they would never dream of applying to

Wow, from that angle that sounds harsh, forced, binding, depressing, sad.

ANY sport, and of course the king sport, football (soccer here) is absolutely about bonding and creating meaningful and lasting relationships.
Instilling values like camaraderie, sacrifice, discipline, effort. You must be that so-called basement-type person or full-on angry and regretful talking all that foolishness... you know nothing about sports and if you have children then check yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tournaments are crap football. They have ZERO value developmentally and are not a good value for the time spent. Seedings are pulled out of a hat and you frequently end up with a blow out game (either in favor or against your kids). Our coaches actually hate them too feeling they are just a money grab for clubs that suck down an entire weekend of their coaching time.

Soccer guru calls it crap football and yet they will sit on their ass all weekend watching EPL on TV with out any physical movement. Yet their child participates in these "crap football" events and builds long lasting memories with friends. Yeah, sounds like crap to me.

youth soccer isn't about bonding and socialization and memories, it's about sinking several thousand a year into their training from second grade through high school and making sure they progress the right way in order to achieve the ultimate prize- a partial scholarship to a DI directional school that absent sports they would never dream of applying to

Wow, from that angle that sounds harsh, forced, binding, depressing, sad.

ANY sport, and of course the king sport, football (soccer here) is absolutely about bonding and creating meaningful and lasting relationships.
Instilling values like camaraderie, sacrifice, discipline, effort. You must be that so-called basement-type person or full-on angry and regretful talking all that foolishness... you know nothing about sports and if you have children then check yourself.

Poe's law at work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tournaments are crap football. They have ZERO value developmentally and are not a good value for the time spent. Seedings are pulled out of a hat and you frequently end up with a blow out game (either in favor or against your kids). Our coaches actually hate them too feeling they are just a money grab for clubs that suck down an entire weekend of their coaching time.

Soccer guru calls it crap football and yet they will sit on their ass all weekend watching EPL on TV with out any physical movement. Yet their child participates in these "crap football" events and builds long lasting memories with friends. Yeah, sounds like crap to me.

youth soccer isn't about bonding and socialization and memories, it's about sinking several thousand a year into their training from second grade through high school and making sure they progress the right way in order to achieve the ultimate prize- a partial scholarship to a DI directional school that absent sports they would never dream of applying to

Wow, from that angle that sounds harsh, forced, binding, depressing, sad.

ANY sport, and of course the king sport, football (soccer here) is absolutely about bonding and creating meaningful and lasting relationships.
Instilling values like camaraderie, sacrifice, discipline, effort. You must be that so-called basement-type person or full-on angry and regretful talking all that foolishness... you know nothing about sports and if you have children then check yourself.

+1. So many life can be taught by the beautiful game