We need a college "camp" to open as a test

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought liberty was in session? How did they function? How did they handle cases of covid 19?

They didn’t have to handle any cases, because there were zero cases.

Then, send your kids there. They aren’t academically selective.

[Anonymous]

My kids will not volunteer, but go ahead and encourage yours if you want, OP. Here’s the Darwin Award you can give them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Daycare never closed. Isn’t that kinda the same thing as college?

No. Daycare students are supervised all of the time. They also don't sleep there. Do I need to go on?

Is covid more contagious during sleep?

No, but time spent exposed to contagions is associated with increased risks, so being somewhere 24-7 creates issues that being somewhere 9-5 doesn't.

I would think that the fact that toddlers can’t wear masks, can’t stay even inches apart, and can’t keep their bodily fluids to themselves would sort of even out the difference.

It's another example of how they're different, and that you can't draw conclusions from one, and apply them to others.

Also, it seems that there are differences between the way that the virus is spread by adults vs. young children.

If you want examples of how adults have fared in congregate care situations, you need to look at residential schools for teenagers with disabilities, half way houses, prisons, workers dormitories, and nursing homes. All of them have had very high rates of spread. And while many of those cases are asymptomatic, in a college setting, all those people would then take the germs home over breaks, and infect their home communities.

Are you really trying to compare a college campus with a nursing home and saying they could have a similar outcome?
Your fears do not equal science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daycare never closed. Isn’t that kinda the same thing as college?

No. Daycare students are supervised all of the time. They also don't sleep there. Do I need to go on?

Is covid more contagious during sleep?

No, but time spent exposed to contagions is associated with increased risks, so being somewhere 24-7 creates issues that being somewhere 9-5 doesn't.

I would think that the fact that toddlers can’t wear masks, can’t stay even inches apart, and can’t keep their bodily fluids to themselves would sort of even out the difference.

It's another example of how they're different, and that you can't draw conclusions from one, and apply them to others.

Also, it seems that there are differences between the way that the virus is spread by adults vs. young children.

If you want examples of how adults have fared in congregate care situations, you need to look at residential schools for teenagers with disabilities, half way houses, prisons, workers dormitories, and nursing homes. All of them have had very high rates of spread. And while many of those cases are asymptomatic, in a college setting, all those people would then take the germs home over breaks, and infect their home communities.

Are you really trying to compare a college campus with a nursing home and saying they could have a similar outcome?
Your fears do not equal science.

PP is right - the virus will spread the same way through a college dormitory as it did through all those other examples. I just don't get this magical thinking, that somehow college students will be immune.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Daycare never closed. Isn’t that kinda the same thing as college?

No. Daycare students are supervised all of the time. They also don't sleep there. Do I need to go on?

Is covid more contagious during sleep?

No, but time spent exposed to contagions is associated with increased risks, so being somewhere 24-7 creates issues that being somewhere 9-5 doesn't.

I would think that the fact that toddlers can’t wear masks, can’t stay even inches apart, and can’t keep their bodily fluids to themselves would sort of even out the difference.

It's another example of how they're different, and that you can't draw conclusions from one, and apply them to others.

Also, it seems that there are differences between the way that the virus is spread by adults vs. young children.

If you want examples of how adults have fared in congregate care situations, you need to look at residential schools for teenagers with disabilities, half way houses, prisons, workers dormitories, and nursing homes. All of them have had very high rates of spread. And while many of those cases are asymptomatic, in a college setting, all those people would then take the germs home over breaks, and infect their home communities.

Are you really trying to compare a college campus with a nursing home and saying they could have a similar outcome?
Your fears do not equal science.

I'm saying that every congregate living situation where adults are together where the virus has established a foothold, has resulted in very very high rates of spread. I'm not saying that the college students would die at the same rate as people in nursing homes, but given that college students leave campuses, and go home for breaks, each one has the potential to infect many other people, and some of those people will be in categories with high death rates.

Can you find a link to a congregate living situation where a small number of people got the virus, and it was contained and didn't spread widely? I can't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daycare never closed. Isn’t that kinda the same thing as college?

No. Daycare students are supervised all of the time. They also don't sleep there. Do I need to go on?

Is covid more contagious during sleep?

No, but time spent exposed to contagions is associated with increased risks, so being somewhere 24-7 creates issues that being somewhere 9-5 doesn't.

I would think that the fact that toddlers can’t wear masks, can’t stay even inches apart, and can’t keep their bodily fluids to themselves would sort of even out the difference.

It's another example of how they're different, and that you can't draw conclusions from one, and apply them to others.

Also, it seems that there are differences between the way that the virus is spread by adults vs. young children.

If you want examples of how adults have fared in congregate care situations, you need to look at residential schools for teenagers with disabilities, half way houses, prisons, workers dormitories, and nursing homes. All of them have had very high rates of spread. And while many of those cases are asymptomatic, in a college setting, all those people would then take the germs home over breaks, and infect their home communities.

Are you really trying to compare a college campus with a nursing home and saying they could have a similar outcome?
Your fears do not equal science.

I'm saying that every congregate living situation where adults are together where the virus has established a foothold, has resulted in very very high rates of spread. I'm not saying that the college students would die at the same rate as people in nursing homes, but given that college students leave campuses, and go home for breaks, each one has the potential to infect many other people, and some of those people will be in categories with high death rates.

Can you find a link to a congregate living situation where a small number of people got the virus, and it was contained and didn't spread widely? I can't.

Th vast majority of the population is going to get the virus. That isn’t the issue at hand. The issue is protecting the vulnerable populations like the elderly. Yes, it is spreading in prisons, boarding schools, etc. That spread is not resulting in many deaths.

[Anonymous]

There are two camps of people. The ones who want to shut down until it’s over, and the ones who recognize that it won’t be over for years and life must go on. If we keep colleges closed this fall, the second wave may hit in december or january and then spring semester is gone too. How long can we keep this up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two camps of people. The ones who want to shut down until it’s over, and the ones who recognize that it won’t be over for years and life must go on. If we keep colleges closed this fall, the second wave may hit in december or january and then spring semester is gone too. How long can we keep this up?

The whole point of the shut down was to buy time to develop a comprehensive plan and strategy for accelerating drug research, ramping up testing and so forth. I personally don’t think we’ve made great use of this time. We are still responding to events as they pop up not systematically.

No one who is paying attention to the science thinks it will be gone forever. Even if there is a vaccine we may not eradicate it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are two camps of people. The ones who want to shut down until it’s over, and the ones who recognize that it won’t be over for years and life must go on. If we keep colleges closed this fall, the second wave may hit in december or january and then spring semester is gone too. How long can we keep this up?

The whole point of the shut down was to buy time to develop a comprehensive plan and strategy for accelerating drug research, ramping up testing and so forth. I personally don’t think we’ve made great use of this time. We are still responding to events as they pop up not systematically.

No one who is paying attention to the science thinks it will be gone forever. Even if there is a vaccine we may not eradicate it.

I agree. And I think in a matter of months, we will have it down to a similar system as we have for the flu. Doctor visit, rapid test, prescription for antiviral or similar, and home to isolate and rest knowing that the hospital will be there if it gets bad.

[Anonymous]

Look. I wish all college kids were as mature and thoughtful as fully formed intellectual 42 or 68 year olds. But they're not. Their brains are like the pepsi and mentos experiment, and many of them are good people who are just not totally their best, most fully-informed adult selves. Many of this group are just months or a few years into living away from toxic families or towns for the first time in their lives, and it takes time and immersion to grow up and get smart and make smart decisions 95% of the time.

Sure there are idiots who have been and will always be a box of rocks (looking at you, red faced spring break COVIDiots) but this punitive attitude isn't fair.

Be patient, be firm, and be CONSISTENT in showing the young adults in your lives how to be good adults, but don't give them a Scarlet C quite yet for being more dismissive or petulant than you are as a 50 year old. Help them see the error in their judgements.

- College professor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look. I wish all college kids were as mature and thoughtful as fully formed intellectual 42 or 68 year olds. But they're not. Their brains are like the pepsi and mentos experiment, and many of them are good people who are just not totally their best, most fully-informed adult selves. Many of this group are just months or a few years into living away from toxic families or towns for the first time in their lives, and it takes time and immersion to grow up and get smart and make smart decisions 95% of the time.

Sure there are idiots who have been and will always be a box of rocks (looking at you, red faced spring break COVIDiots) but this punitive attitude isn't fair.

Be patient, be firm, and be CONSISTENT in showing the young adults in your lives how to be good adults, but don't give them a Scarlet C quite yet for being more dismissive or petulant than you are as a 50 year old. Help them see the error in their judgements.

- College professor

This is unreadable nonsense. Nice try. No way a college professor writes like this.

[Anonymous]

If a college kid gets sick, then what? Keep them in the dorms if they are not able to go home? What if they are sick for a month and miss the entire semester?

This can easily be shared with 100's of kids in the dorms, sharing bathrooms and cafeterias. Bad idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look. I wish all college kids were as mature and thoughtful as fully formed intellectual 42 or 68 year olds. But they're not. Their brains are like the pepsi and mentos experiment, and many of them are good people who are just not totally their best, most fully-informed adult selves. Many of this group are just months or a few years into living away from toxic families or towns for the first time in their lives, and it takes time and immersion to grow up and get smart and make smart decisions 95% of the time.

Sure there are idiots who have been and will always be a box of rocks (looking at you, red faced spring break COVIDiots) but this punitive attitude isn't fair.

Be patient, be firm, and be CONSISTENT in showing the young adults in your lives how to be good adults, but don't give them a Scarlet C quite yet for being more dismissive or petulant than you are as a 50 year old. Help them see the error in their judgements.

- College professor

If your kids have common sense and good judgement and you parented them well, they'd understand how bad this virus is and spreads and it would be a non-issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Daycare never closed. Isn’t that kinda the same thing as college?

No. Daycare students are supervised all of the time. They also don't sleep there. Do I need to go on?

Is covid more contagious during sleep?

No, but time spent exposed to contagions is associated with increased risks, so being somewhere 24-7 creates issues that being somewhere 9-5 doesn't.

I would think that the fact that toddlers can’t wear masks, can’t stay even inches apart, and can’t keep their bodily fluids to themselves would sort of even out the difference.

shhhh. stop making sense now! That is not the DCUM way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a college kid gets sick, then what? Keep them in the dorms if they are not able to go home? What if they are sick for a month and miss the entire semester?

This can easily be shared with 100's of kids in the dorms, sharing bathrooms and cafeterias. Bad idea.

How is this a thing if less than 0.5% have had it, most are completely asymptomatic, no reports of asymptomatic teens giving adults or others the virus, and a miniscule number of people in their twenties have died and most if not all had pre-exisiting conditions.

Open the colleges, allow professors to teach online if they choose. Allow families to choose living on campus, commuter, or remote learning. Sign waivers for campus and commuter students.

College kids have a million times more risk to die of alcohol poisoning, the regular flu or a car accident. It is time to move on for the younger kids, teens, and college kids.