Should I use this WISC for AAP appeal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was rejected earlier this week. She was in pool, but barely. NNAT 118. Cogat -- 122 verbal, 135 Q, 122 nonverbal, 131 VQN. GBRS 3C, 1F with very good commentary.

I scheduled the WISC for mid March to avoid the April rush (given that she was barely in pool, I knew there was a decent chance she would not get in). Overall, the WISC score is lower than the cogat, but the verbal score is higher than her cogat verbal score. FSIQ 122 (verbal comprehension 127, visual spatial 114, fluid reasoning 109, working memory 120, processing speed 116).

My gut is that we shouldn't include this WISC in our appeal, but I was wondering if others have successfully used a generally lower WISC where one of the sub scores was higher than the cogat.

We did not submit work samples or the parent questionnaire with the initial application and plan to that with the appeal.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Don't include the WISC. The biggest issue with the WISC is that it tells a completely different story than the CogAT with respect to abilities. The CogAT says that your kid is gifted in math, and that would be one of the more compelling reasons to let your DD in. The WISC says that your kid is average or slightly above in math and doesn't need advanced math services. Also, the CogAT verbal isn't so low as to preclude services, and the WISC verbal isn't high enough to suggest a need for services.

Your GBRS is great. I would do a letter and work samples, with a focus on how the teachers at your DD's school think that she belongs in AAP. De-emphasize the test scores, and instead focus on the traits your DD displays from the GBRS and parent questionnaire forms.

Totally agree with everything on the above response. You should submit the parent questionnaire along with a great letter documenting how you child can handle the area where he/she received the 1F from the teacher. Make sure to include some work samples as well. I don't think the WISC helps for the appeals process with the assessment.

[Anonymous]

OP here updating this thread from last year in case this is helpful to anyone going through the process this year. We did not use the WISC in the appeal. We submitted the parent questionnaire as well as two writing samples and some math problems. She got in on appeal and is doing very well. Mostly 4s with a few 3s on her report card.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the update. Such updates are very helpful!

[Anonymous]

Stop gaming the system with purchased wisc scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was rejected earlier this week. She was in pool, but barely. NNAT 118. Cogat -- 122 verbal, 135 Q, 122 nonverbal, 131 VQN. GBRS 3C, 1F with very good commentary.

I scheduled the WISC for mid March to avoid the April rush (given that she was barely in pool, I knew there was a decent chance she would not get in). Overall, the WISC score is lower than the cogat, but the verbal score is higher than her cogat verbal score. FSIQ 122 (verbal comprehension 127, visual spatial 114, fluid reasoning 109, working memory 120, processing speed 116).

My gut is that we shouldn't include this WISC in our appeal, but I was wondering if others have successfully used a generally lower WISC where one of the sub scores was higher than the cogat.

We did not submit work samples or the parent questionnaire with the initial application and plan to that with the appeal.

Thanks in advance for the help!

Don't include the WISC. The biggest issue with the WISC is that it tells a completely different story than the CogAT with respect to abilities. The CogAT says that your kid is gifted in math, and that would be one of the more compelling reasons to let your DD in. The WISC says that your kid is average or slightly above in math and doesn't need advanced math services. Also, the CogAT verbal isn't so low as to preclude services, and the WISC verbal isn't high enough to suggest a need for services.

Your GBRS is great. I would do a letter and work samples, with a focus on how the teachers at your DD's school think that she belongs in AAP. De-emphasize the test scores, and instead focus on the traits your DD displays from the GBRS and parent questionnaire forms.

What are you talking about? The WISC doesn't say anything about a child's math ability.

[Anonymous]

Our wisc score was 135 vs our NNAT of 108. So results may vary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
What are you talking about? The WISC doesn't say anything about a child's math ability.

Fluid Reasoning index and to a lesser extent the Visual Spatial index would point toward natural mathematical aptitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop gaming the system with purchased wisc scores.

+1

[Anonymous]

Defund AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop gaming the system with purchased wisc scores.

+1

What an absurd response. OP's kid should have been in the first round with in-pool test scores and a very high GBRS. OP didn't even end up using the WISC. If anything, OP's situation shows that it's not at all atypical for a kid thriving in AAP with glowing GBRS and with CogAT scores around 130 to actually have an IQ around 120.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop gaming the system with purchased wisc scores.

+1

What an absurd response. OP's kid should have been in the first round with in-pool test scores and a very high GBRS. OP didn't even end up using the WISC. If anything, OP's situation shows that it's not at all atypical for a kid thriving in AAP with glowing GBRS and with CogAT scores around 130 to actually have an IQ around 120.

Defund aap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop gaming the system with purchased wisc scores.

+1

What an absurd response. OP's kid should have been in the first round with in-pool test scores and a very high GBRS. OP didn't even end up using the WISC. If anything, OP's situation shows that it's not at all atypical for a kid thriving in AAP with glowing GBRS and with CogAT scores around 130 to actually have an IQ around 120.

Defund aap.

Or implement a lottery system for applicants with 3.0 gpas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our wisc score was 135 vs our NNAT of 108. So results may vary.

I’m the OP. So many people post on here about the WISC results being higher that I was kind of surprised at her results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop gaming the system with purchased wisc scores.

I think you are a troll but I will respond anyway. We didn’t use the WISC. She did zero prep (beyond what they might have done in school) for the nnat or the cogat. Also zero mathnasium or outside tutoring ever.

If FCPS wanted to limit AAP to the truly gifted, I would have no problem with that. But after looking at the median scores in the AAP equity report, she is more than smart enough.

[Anonymous]

I think we just need to ignore the "stop gaming the system" and "defund AAP" troll.