Is the COVID-19 "ventilator" a euphemism for polio's "iron lung machine?"

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the explanation. And for the warning. In the event I ever test positive, I will decline ventilation cum intubation. I will tell the healthcare provider, if in doubt, snuff me out.

That would be pretty stupid. Many (most?) who are intubated will recover.

Why do we even still have INTUBATED ventilators since they can cause so much damage to the lungs that is Unwarranted? We should long ago to switch to the ones without intubation.

It is bad enough that any ventilator can give you 80% chance of a brain damage, intubation or not, just sheer oxygen stuff.. but add to it the injuries and infections and alike due to intubation.

Researchers find why ICU ventilation can cause brain damage. Patients who have been mechanically ventilated in intensive care units have long been known to suffer some form of mental impairment as a result. ... They note that the incidence of delirium in patients who are mechanically ventilated is around 80%.

So take a DNR to the hospital & refuse intubation. That’s your choice.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/266626

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the explanation. And for the warning. In the event I ever test positive, I will decline ventilation cum intubation. I will tell the healthcare provider, if in doubt, snuff me out.

If this is what you want, pin a DNR to your chest.

We have a recovery numbers posted, but do we have recovery from ventilators posted? Not every patient with CV requires he ventilators so many if not most of those recovered without it but how many really does recover once put on ventilator? Perhaps it is the same as DNR..

[Anonymous]

I get it!

[Anonymous]

So … if the disease of COVID-19 has not already killed you, the palliative of intubation surely will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Intubation with external ventilation is our generation’s iron lung. Patients are placed in a coma for it, because they shove a tube into your respiratory tract.

You don’t have to be “placed in a coma”. They can sedate you for your comfort or if a patient is trying to yank it out. You can be fully conscious while intubated. My father recovered from heart valve surgery and ARDS to live many more years with his brain as sharp as ever. Believe me, if you are gasping for breath, you will want to be intubated!

[Anonymous]

I recall too many episodes of ER to ever consent to intubation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Intubation with external ventilation is our generation’s iron lung. Patients are placed in a coma for it, because they shove a tube into your respiratory tract.

And perhaps this is what is behind the high mortality since ventilators carry TONS Of their own native risks.

There are better ventilators, but the question is.. do we have them? Are we using them?..

Non-invasive ventilation refers to ventilatory support without tracheal intubation. ... Ventilation through a nasal or face mask may avoid the need for intubation, especially in exacerbations of chronic obstructive airways disease. Some patients with chronic ventilatory failure rely on long term non-invasive ventilation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116024/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the explanation. And for the warning. In the event I ever test positive, I will decline ventilation cum intubation. I will tell the healthcare provider, if in doubt, snuff me out.

That would be pretty stupid. Many (most?) who are intubated will recover.

Why do we even still have INTUBATED ventilators since they can cause so much damage to the lungs that is Unwarranted? We should long ago to switch to the ones without intubation.

It is bad enough that any ventilator can give you 80% chance of a brain damage, intubation or not, just sheer oxygen stuff.. but add to it the injuries and infections and alike due to intubation.

Researchers find why ICU ventilation can cause brain damage. Patients who have been mechanically ventilated in intensive care units have long been known to suffer some form of mental impairment as a result. ... They note that the incidence of delirium in patients who are mechanically ventilated is around 80%.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/266626

Oh, my word. You are either a troll or seriously out of the loop.

COPD is very different from ARDS. People live with COPD, walk around, sometimes don't even need oxygen supplementation.

People with ARDS are in ICUs.

ARDS means your lungs are disintegrating and filling up with fluid. You need high pressure to continue ventilating the lungs, and non-invasive ventilatory support isn't sufficient.