Gregg Berhalter has to go

[Anonymous]

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All of this is to say that I don’t think Gregg Berhalter is doing a good job coaching the USMNT, and I worry he is unlikely to improve given that the players already feel like they have a good understanding of the system and what is expected of them. The problem is not time or communication style, but rather that Berhalter has implemented bad ideas.

This is the part of the post in which a writer typically makes their case for a coaching change, but honestly, what’s the point?

https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2019/10/16/20917403/usmnt-canada-loss-gregg-berhalter-future-head-coach

LOL

As the article summarizes:

POLITICS=US SOCCER

The result: failure, after failure, after failure

It’s all around us. I see it constantly in the US soccer youth scene. That and coaches that don’t know wth they are looking at it what to do with a promising young talent. They squash him.

It just seems that the youth system is set up to maximize winning at each age group. This means at the younger ages maximizing athleticism(and physical aggression) which is important but it’s only a part of the attributes that makes a soccer player. Thinking players are labeled as non aggressive and told by parents not to do the short passes, do not pass back and never pass in the middle. It seems at times at the u littles like the field is dominated by the low soccer IQ linear player. So when you get to the older ages, a lot of the ...more complex non linear players are not around.

Yep. They drop out after year after year of watching dumb players move ahead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Company man. US men's soccer at it's finest.

I saw better players in the GU vs U-MD men's game this week. And much better soccer being played.

Politics has always been the biggest puzzle piece to the team. This is the result.

Georgetown did look fabulous in that game, though it’s not quite as easy as it looks to play international competition at any level.

Not against Cuba or Canada!! They won big against Cuba. I was at the game. I am also the same poster that said they looked like crap in that Cuba game and with the touch they displayed and blatant mistakes they would get exposed bad by a team of decent caliber. By decent, I wasn’t meaning Cuba. I was thinking much higher in the rankings. The soccer IQ was missing.-and for many, technique too.

Noticed that too. Second half in particular we were playing easy passes straight out of bounds under nonexistent pressure from the Cubans. But we won 7-0 so that’s all people focus on.

[Anonymous]

CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

I’m a mom. Soccer was our family sport. My brother was D1 top 5 in the Nation, pro post-college. My sister and I played on National champion club teams and in college.

My husband works long hours. I have a flexible work schedule/work from home so I was the one with my boys in the evenings when they were little SO I played soccer with them because that is what I played for 22 years. My husband was a college wrestler. He dabbled in HS soccer, but it was not a big sport where he grew up like it was here.

My kids had their uncle and my dad a long-time coach who also are very involved with them. I played “monkey in the middle” with them at the tiniest of ages and would always say I can’t pass unless you move to get open. They caught on to space at a very early age. I also taught them the basics: how to shoot, dribble outside/inside, properly trap, work both feet, head (yes a big no-no when they were small but they learned technique).

We watch a ton of FIFA and they have watched live games in major stadiums around the world, as well as played overseas.

We are out there, but we are a minority. As a mom, I’m amazed at how many dads with me on the sidelines no nothing about the sport but talk a big game. I mean NOTHING. They have their little pow-wows with the coach. Something I would never do.

It’s 2019, there is an entire generation that did play—you just won’t know it because they aren’t the loud mouths or intense parents. They see the big picture in the younger years. It’s a bitch finding decent training/coaches and like-minded, normal parents. We have had to move around a bit.

[Anonymous]

If you have boys and are a female that was a serious player: you are a soccer mom and it is assumed you know nothing. The coaches will seek out your spouse who knows nothing. It’s rather comical—-but also pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

it's not just the immigrants....there is a culture like the Pulisics and the Hamms and the Kerrs and the Ellis' and the female pp, i.e., not just immigrants, that lived and breathed soccer in the 70s/80s and have translated it to their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

it's not just the immigrants....there is a culture like the Pulisics and the Hamms and the Kerrs and the Ellis' and the female pp, i.e., not just immigrants, that lived and breathed soccer in the 70s/80s and have translated it to their children.

Well everyone I know from that generation is vastly disappointed in what has become of US youth soccer. What a circus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

it's not just the immigrants....there is a culture like the Pulisics and the Hamms and the Kerrs and the Ellis' and the female pp, i.e., not just immigrants, that lived and breathed soccer in the 70s/80s and have translated it to their children.

Who are the Kerrs? The Duke coach? Have otherwise not heard of this family in connection with US soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have boys and are a female that was a serious player: you are a soccer mom and it is assumed you know nothing. The coaches will seek out your spouse who knows nothing. It’s rather comical—-but also pathetic.

Maybe it’s just you? Never had that problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

it's not just the immigrants....there is a culture like the Pulisics and the Hamms and the Kerrs and the Ellis' and the female pp, i.e., not just immigrants, that lived and breathed soccer in the 70s/80s and have translated it to their children.

Who are the Kerrs? The Duke coach? Have otherwise not heard of this family in connection with US soccer.

Seriously? Not a local?

Nobody contributed more to soccer in the Washington area than John Kerr Sr (Scottish, a former Wash. Diplomat, Canadian National team player; several World Cup qualifiers) . He was one of the most influential figures in the early history of Washington DC soccer. He coached the Washington Stars who followed the Washington Diplomats once the NASL league collapsed pre-MLS. He served as executive director of the first U.S. soccer players union. From 1972 to 1975, he was an all-star midfielder for the New York Cosmos of the old North American Soccer League. In his final season with the Cosmos, one of his teammates was Pele. It’s the style and teams he coached that are his legacy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/john-kerr-sr-soccer-player-coach-and-union-leader-dies-at-67/2011/06/22/AGv9vYjH_story.html

His son, John Kerr Jr, is the Duke coach. retired soccer midfielder who played professionally in the United States, Canada, England, France and Northern Ireland. Kerr Jr was named the 1986 Hermann Award winner as the top collegiate player of the year. He also earned sixteen caps, scoring two goals, with the U.S. national team.

My brothers played for Kerr Sr. Both played pro, one Internationally. They still say JK Sr is the best coach they ever played for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

it's not just the immigrants....there is a culture like the Pulisics and the Hamms and the Kerrs and the Ellis' and the female pp, i.e., not just immigrants, that lived and breathed soccer in the 70s/80s and have translated it to their children.

Who are the Kerrs? The Duke coach? Have otherwise not heard of this family in connection with US soccer.

Seriously? Not a local?

Nobody contributed more to soccer in the Washington area than John Kerr Sr (Scottish, a former Wash. Diplomat, Canadian National team player; several World Cup qualifiers) . He was one of the most influential figures in the early history of Washington DC soccer. He coached the Washington Stars who followed the Washington Diplomats once the NASL league collapsed pre-MLS. He served as executive director of the first U.S. soccer players union. From 1972 to 1975, he was an all-star midfielder for the New York Cosmos of the old North American Soccer League. In his final season with the Cosmos, one of his teammates was Pele. It’s the style and teams he coached that are his legacy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/john-kerr-sr-soccer-player-coach-and-union-leader-dies-at-67/2011/06/22/AGv9vYjH_story.html

His son, John Kerr Jr, is the Duke coach. retired soccer midfielder who played professionally in the United States, Canada, England, France and Northern Ireland. Kerr Jr was named the 1986 Hermann Award winner as the top collegiate player of the year. He also earned sixteen caps, scoring two goals, with the U.S. national team.

My brothers played for Kerr Sr. Both played pro, one Internationally. They still say JK Sr is the best coach they ever played for.

Not a local. Know a fair amount about star players from the last couple decades, but don’t know about this family other than knowing a few kids who were interested in Duke soccer. Not sure I am an outlier on familiarity with the Kerr dynasty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

I agree with you on the US soccer coaching and admin front. I also know there are a lot of immigrants that play and teach their kids, but they are forgotten and left out or, to your point, are courted by their legacy countries. Also, I think 1/3 is a bit high of an estimate. More like 15%. At least that’s what BLS states. Anyhow, the Men’s team has a ways to go based on the other night

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CP is our best player, and he can’t even crack the starting lineup at Chelsea or Dortmund. That is the problem. We’re just not very good. We don’t play soccer on the streets and in the playgrounds for hours and hours, day after day, and night after night like our young b-ball and football and baseball players do. Here’s a question, how many US dads teach their kids how to throw and catch a football or baseball or dribble and shoot a b-ball vs. how to kick and trap and dribble a soccer ball? I played soccer and taught my kids how to do that and even coached their teams when young, and guess what ... one is on a girls ECNL team now. But, I played. Not a lot of dads and moms out there yet that played and know the game. It will take another generation or two for this to turn over, if ever.

Lots of people do that. You do know we live in an area where at least 1/3 of the people are immigrants from soccer-loving countries, right?

I'm tired of the whole BS "Americans aren't good at soccer" line. Do you know who's not good at soccer?

Gregg Berhalter, with his 39% win ratio
His brother, who created a toxic working environment at US Soccer
Dan Garber and the profit-hungry owners he represents
Carlos Cordeiro, who knows so little about how to reach out to Hispanics that the Mexican NT has opened an academy in LA
and Earnie Stewart


Get rid of them and start from scratch and you'll see how good Americans can be at soccer.

I agree with you on the US soccer coaching and admin front. I also know there are a lot of immigrants that play and teach their kids, but they are forgotten and left out or, to your point, are courted by their legacy countries. Also, I think 1/3 is a bit high of an estimate. More like 15%. At least that’s what BLS states. Anyhow, the Men’s team has a ways to go based on the other night

As a team in the middle of the pack, the US generally has benefited from the flow of dual nationals, drawing less-skilled players from legacy nations with strong pools and better players from legacy nations which usually have no chance of qualifying for the World Cup. A dual national like Sergino Dest, who's got a decent chance of making the Netherlands starting XI, is exceptionally rare. Our biggest problem is with other CONCACAF nations, especially Mexico, where the competition for dual nationals is strong and USSF's efforts have been pathetically weak. https://theathletic.com/1302170/2019/10/17/usmnt-legend-hugo-perez-on-his-new-role-with-el-tri-and-how-u-s-soccer-needs-to-improve-latino-outreach/

Unfortunately it gets worse. Compared to other nations, US Soccer's development programs are worse than nothing, because they're all pay-to-play. 25 percent of the people in the DMV are foreign-born, mostly from nations where soccer is the #1 sport, and there are thousands of kids playing in youth leagues throughout the area from age 5 on up. The local MLS team doesn't give a crap about 99.9% of them, and US Soccer does nothing for them whatsoever, except allow a few selected individuals to pay thousands of $$$ a year to play in DA. An exceptional player who's also a dual-national has every incentive to go back to their legacy country for development so as not to waste their talent in a system that doesn't care. And the kids who aren't dual-nationals never really get the chance to compete at a high level unless their parents are rich enough to buy it.

[Anonymous]

https://www.highpresssoccer.com/heres-a-list-of-coaches-jay-berhalter-couldve-hired-instead-of-his-brother-gregg/