so what do you think about Climate-Gate?

[Anonymous]

Global warming may or may not exist. If it does exist it may or may not be man-made. We rely on scientific rigor to dispassionately collect and evaluate data and hypothesize conclusions.

Sadly, this current "climategate" episode appears to show the so-called scientists as climate change apostles, ready to dismiss as heretics any and all who have the temerity to question their conclusions.

Hugely important and consequential decisions for our country and the global economy rest on the scientific community and its conclusions. We know that the Romans planted vineyards in Britain - something you could not do successfully today - and that the Spaniards cultivated orange groves in South Carolina (today they don't survive north of Jacksonville) so it is easy to buy into the idea that climate changes. The man made part, however, is the harder sell and it is made harder after this incident.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Hugely important and consequential decisions for our country and the global economy rest on the scientific community and its conclusions. We know that the Romans planted vineyards in Britain - something you could not do successfully today - and that the Spaniards cultivated orange groves in South Carolina (today they don't survive north of Jacksonville) so it is easy to buy into the idea that climate changes. The man made part, however, is the harder sell and it is made harder after this incident.

Yet, the English wine industry is thriving:

http://www.englishwineproducers.com/

and oranges are being grown in South Carolina:

http://mckenzie-farms.com/

If you are going to criticize the data used by scientists, you are going to need to do a better job than this.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hugely important and consequential decisions for our country and the global economy rest on the scientific community and its conclusions. We know that the Romans planted vineyards in Britain - something you could not do successfully today - and that the Spaniards cultivated orange groves in South Carolina (today they don't survive north of Jacksonville) so it is easy to buy into the idea that climate changes. The man made part, however, is the harder sell and it is made harder after this incident.

Yet, the English wine industry is thriving:

http://www.englishwineproducers.com/

and oranges are being grown in South Carolina:

http://mckenzie-farms.com/

If you are going to criticize the data used by scientists, you are going to need to do a better job than this.

Mea culpa on the vineyards - I shouldn't have relied on the Times (UK). However, the oranges at McKenzie are cold hardy citrus - a recent grafting technique that has yet to produce commercially edible citrus. Win some, lose some. I maintain that climate does change, and has always changed. It's the link of current change to man's activities that is debatable.

[Anonymous]

we don't need to look at wine production and oranges, look at the land bridge between Alaska and Russia or the many ancient harbors that are now miles inland (or in some cases under water). weather and coastal conditions change.

global warming is really an engineering issue regardless. we are not going to stop it, if it is legit, so might as well learn to adapt.

[Anonymous]

The entire text of the dumped emails are found here:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/

There is a search feature for any interested parties.

[Anonymous]

I was stunned to hear today that neither ABC, NBC or CBS have spent 1 minute on this story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html

Jon Stewart scooped them? Really?
Link from Real Clear Politics
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:I was stunned to hear today that neither ABC, NBC or CBS have spent 1 minute on this story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html

Jon Stewart scooped them? Really?
Link from Real Clear Politics
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

What, you expect them to take time away from covering the Salahis? No way! Those publicity-seeking wannabes have to be exposed by giving them wall-to-wall coverage. The American way of life depends on it.

Nobody seems to covering the Iraq inquiry in the UK either. It's no surprise, but the cover is being blown off most of what we were told prior to the war. I don't know how much evidence the climate scientists faked, but the Bush administration clearly told a lot of lies.

[Anonymous]

I enjoyed this entire Denver Post Op-ed, but the following passage in particular sums it up for me:

What we know now is that someone hacked into the e-mails of leading climate researchers at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit and others, including noted alarmists like Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University and Kevin Trenberth of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder.

We found out that respected men discussed the manipulation of science, the blocking of freedom of information requests, the exclusion of dissenting scientists from debate, the removal of dissent from the peer-reviewed publications, and the discarding of historical temperature data and e-mail evidence.

Full Text: http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_13903342