When does your team ask for 2019-2020 Commitment?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

I am not the PP, but there is a difference between being open and honest and being dumb. Being open and honest is a two way street. If the coach already made you an offer to come back for the next season, it may legitimate for him to ask for an early one-way commitment, but otherwise the coach simply wants a commitment from the player without making a commitment to the player. And if the kid at issue isn't very good, why would the coach even bother to ask if the kid is trying out with other clubs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

I am not the PP, but there is a difference between being open and honest and being dumb. Being open and honest is a two way street. If the coach already made you an offer to come back for the next season, it may legitimate for him to ask for an early one-way commitment, but otherwise the coach simply wants a commitment from the player without making a commitment to the player. And if the kid at issue isn't very good, why would the coach even bother to ask if the kid is trying out with other clubs?

If you can't rust your current coach or team enough to be open with them then you are in the wrong spot anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son has played DA for the last 3 years and invites have been in early June. As the other post indicated, the club did not want to announce invites too early because it would make the Spring season/showcase awkward for kids not invited back next season. I am not aware of any early rostering requirement by DA.

Same experience here. A couple of kids on my son's DA team didn't commit until July one year as they were pondering a move to a different DA program. I'm sure this was irritating to the club, but it didn't cause any rostering problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

I am not the PP, but there is a difference between being open and honest and being dumb. Being open and honest is a two way street. If the coach already made you an offer to come back for the next season, it may legitimate for him to ask for an early one-way commitment, but otherwise the coach simply wants a commitment from the player without making a commitment to the player. And if the kid at issue isn't very good, why would the coach even bother to ask if the kid is trying out with other clubs?

If you can't rust your current coach or team enough to be open with them then you are in the wrong spot anyway.

It's funny---people immediately criticize the player as sucky for shopping around. If the Club were confident in the training they were providing, the coaching staff and the atmosphere at the Club, they should welcome players to look around with the full confidence that the players will see they are in the best place. Parents are paying $2500k-6k+ per year, for chrissakes, of course they should be doing their homework , looking around and evaluating their player's development and whether the environment is right for it to continue to grow. Sometimes a player really does need new opportunities/experiences to continue growth as a player, be it different coaching style/style of play, better training competition, more committed teammates, etc.

I have seen good people be honest with a Club/coach and then the player get stuck on the rec/shit field at tryouts or start to get less playing time at the end of spring season, etc.

Like decent players, there are decent Coaches. Like petty people, there are petty Coaches. You never know which one you are playing for--and I've seen some really "nice guys/gals' do some pretty shitty retaliatory things to young kids. And, not all people departing a Club are unhappy or sucky, there are people that can successfully depart on good terms. Sometimes, the practice schedule or location is a factor. Not all departures are pissed off people, that's plain silly.

[Anonymous]

^^^^
This is true in so many instances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Coaches get mad when their players look around, yet at the same time they themselves are constantly looking around for better players. Very few of them even realize the hypocrisy of that.

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

I am not the PP, but there is a difference between being open and honest and being dumb. Being open and honest is a two way street. If the coach already made you an offer to come back for the next season, it may legitimate for him to ask for an early one-way commitment, but otherwise the coach simply wants a commitment from the player without making a commitment to the player. And if the kid at issue isn't very good, why would the coach even bother to ask if the kid is trying out with other clubs?

If you can't rust your current coach or team enough to be open with them then you are in the wrong spot anyway.

It's funny---people immediately criticize the player as sucky for shopping around. If the Club were confident in the training they were providing, the coaching staff and the atmosphere at the Club, they should welcome players to look around with the full confidence that the players will see they are in the best place. Parents are paying $2500k-6k+ per year, for chrissakes, of course they should be doing their homework , looking around and evaluating their player's development and whether the environment is right for it to continue to grow. Sometimes a player really does need new opportunities/experiences to continue growth as a player, be it different coaching style/style of play, better training competition, more committed teammates, etc.

I have seen good people be honest with a Club/coach and then the player get stuck on the rec/shit field at tryouts or start to get less playing time at the end of spring season, etc.

Like decent players, there are decent Coaches. Like petty people, there are petty Coaches. You never know which one you are playing for--and I've seen some really "nice guys/gals' do some pretty shitty retaliatory things to young kids. And, not all people departing a Club are unhappy or sucky, there are people that can successfully depart on good terms. Sometimes, the practice schedule or location is a factor. Not all departures are pissed off people, that's plain silly.

[Anonymous]

So at work do you tell your boss immediately if you meet with another company when they invite you in for an interview? Good luck with that. There is nothing wrong with testing the waters and seeing if the grass is greener, and it is none of their business until you make a final decision. It has nothing to do with being "honest" or "loyal".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

You are definitely that person with no common sense that doesn't know when to STFU. You think your DD is so good you can just go around and brag to the coach that your going to other tryouts. Yes- worst advice on the internet. I don't care if you think your kid is "good enough" or not the coach is going to think your an arrogant asshole if you blindly approach him to say your going to other tryouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

You are definitely that person with no common sense that doesn't know when to STFU. You think your DD is so good you can just go around and brag to the coach that your going to other tryouts. Yes- worst advice on the internet. I don't care if you think your kid is "good enough" or not the coach is going to think your an arrogant asshole if you blindly approach him to say your going to other tryouts.

You (and a few other posters) don't get it. First of all, could you not detect the sarcasm in the last few sentences of my post? Anyhow … if you have a good relationship with the coach you can be transparent. If you don't, you're right. You can't. Same goes with your boss (to the other peanut gallery poster). Also, how does trying out for another team equate to "bragging"? It is only "bragging" if the DD has other "offers", not if they are simply "trying out" (or interviewing). Trying out simply means that there is something possibly missing in the current situation, or some risk, and that you want to mitigate that risk. Maybe it is location, maybe it is playing time, maybe it is cost, maybe DD wants to be on a better team, maybe the team is falling apart, etc. In my experience talking to the coaches in an open and honest fashion has worked for me. Always. It has also worked with my employers. I suppose I am just lucky and you aren't? (yes, that is sarcastic in case you're didn't know). Yes, also some people are petty, but why do you care about upsetting those people anyhow? Let them be petty.

Anyhow - being transparent has worked for myself and my DD during my life, so I'll keep doing it. You keep doing your thing. It is your choice and yes maybe it won't work for you in your situation. I can see I won't convince you otherwise. But, the advice is generally sound, as is the ethic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘Tis the season. ECNL and DA “ID session” aka “tryouts” have been occurring since Feb. Normal travel tryouts occur late April thru May.

I have found that it is usually better to tell the current coach if you are trying out with other clubs, as often they will find out anyhow. Many of these coaches talk to each other, as do the parents and players. So you may as well be open and transparent.

As far as commitments, they tend to go in the same order. ECNL and DA first, then the other travel teams follow. However, if your kid is that good or if the team simply needs more players you can always get on the team after their normal window. Example: local DA club filled most of its roster in mid spring but added two more players in early July. It happens.

Zero percent chance I would tell the coach anything until you have to. This is either posted by a coach or TD and is possibly the worst advice you could get on the internet.

+1

Ha! "Worst advice". Being open and honest - yeah that's just a horrible thing to be. I am not a coach. Just a dumb assumption by you. Being open and transparent is what I have done in the past and my kid's playing time was never affected. However, this does reveal something about your character. You think its smart, and I think its dishonest. If your kid is good enough you can be transparent as the coach won't restrict playing time because most of all, they want to win. It makes them look good. I guess that's the answer, isn't it? Your kid isn't very good, doesn't get much playing time, so you're looking elsewhere. Yeah, you're right. In that case, hide all your cards if you think it really matters. Good luck, loser.

You are definitely that person with no common sense that doesn't know when to STFU. You think your DD is so good you can just go around and brag to the coach that your going to other tryouts. Yes- worst advice on the internet. I don't care if you think your kid is "good enough" or not the coach is going to think your an arrogant asshole if you blindly approach him to say your going to other tryouts.

You (and a few other posters) don't get it. First of all, could you not detect the sarcasm in the last few sentences of my post? Anyhow … if you have a good relationship with the coach you can be transparent. If you don't, you're right. You can't. Same goes with your boss (to the other peanut gallery poster). Also, how does trying out for another team equate to "bragging"? It is only "bragging" if the DD has other "offers", not if they are simply "trying out" (or interviewing). Trying out simply means that there is something possibly missing in the current situation, or some risk, and that you want to mitigate that risk. Maybe it is location, maybe it is playing time, maybe it is cost, maybe DD wants to be on a better team, maybe the team is falling apart, etc. In my experience talking to the coaches in an open and honest fashion has worked for me. Always. It has also worked with my employers. I suppose I am just lucky and you aren't? (yes, that is sarcastic in case you're didn't know). Yes, also some people are petty, but why do you care about upsetting those people anyhow? Let them be petty.

Anyhow - being transparent has worked for myself and my DD during my life, so I'll keep doing it. You keep doing your thing. It is your choice and yes maybe it won't work for you in your situation. I can see I won't convince you otherwise. But, the advice is generally sound, as is the ethic.

You are naïve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the norm for most teams to have this asked?

Must be some chatter that the coach has heard about players leaving.

Yes, I suspect this is the reason. A lot are thinking of leaving and several new "strict" policies have come down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the norm for most teams to have this asked?

Must be some chatter that the coach has heard about players leaving.

Yes, I suspect this is the reason. A lot are thinking of leaving and several new "strict" policies have come down.

"Strict" policies? Like what? Timed sprints or laps? Is this ECNL or DA age groups?

[Anonymous]

Yeah- if the coach is asking for commitments now and he is not offering anything in return-don’t say anything. This is clearly not a two way street of consideration.