Founders Row Project - great for Falls Church city

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Anonymous wrote:It certainly won't make commuting around that area any easier.

It cracks me up that FCC can find space for a brew pub, but still has an elementary school located outside the city's limits. With the added congestion this redevelopment will create, Fairfax County should force FCC to relocate Mt. Daniel Elementary to FCC.

That ship sailed a long time ago. The school has been there since 1952! It's a block outside the city, which part cracks you up so much?

The mindset that the county should indulge FCC with a school outside the city, at the same time as FCC is authorizing new development that will make traffic worse.

I really hope the county kicks them out of Mt. Daniel.

This would be the absolute dumbest decision FFX County has ever made. The only use case for that property would be more residential, for which the tax revenue would be effectively the same as it is today. So no positive economic benefit from development. On the flip side the animosity created would destroy tremendous value in terms of FCC/FFX coordination (which is substantial) and loss of commercial revenue (restaurants, businesses) from FCC residents. The only reason to do something like this is pettiness and spite. Good call.

A park on that site would be great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It certainly won't make commuting around that area any easier.

It cracks me up that FCC can find space for a brew pub, but still has an elementary school located outside the city's limits. With the added congestion this redevelopment will create, Fairfax County should force FCC to relocate Mt. Daniel Elementary to FCC.

That ship sailed a long time ago. The school has been there since 1952! It's a block outside the city, which part cracks you up so much?

The mindset that the county should indulge FCC with a school outside the city, at the same time as FCC is authorizing new development that will make traffic worse.

I really hope the county kicks them out of Mt. Daniel.

This would be the absolute dumbest decision FFX County has ever made. The only use case for that property would be more residential, for which the tax revenue would be effectively the same as it is today. So no positive economic benefit from development. On the flip side the animosity created would destroy tremendous value in terms of FCC/FFX coordination (which is substantial) and loss of commercial revenue (restaurants, businesses) from FCC residents. The only reason to do something like this is pettiness and spite. Good call.

A park on that site would be great.

Umm, FCPS could use the site as an elementary school of its own. Look at the nearby ES - Haycock and Shrevewood - they are both crowded.

And remember, the City of Falls Church carved itself out of Fairfax County so it could control its schools (and the resulting student populations).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why, with all the development scheduled for Tysons, is there a need for this density in tiny FCC?

There certainly appears to be substantial demand for apts in Falls Church. The total increase in population out to 2050 from 2010 for the Tysons Urban District is forecast as 90,000. That does not come close to the total growth in demand in NoVa.

Not sure how the total size of FCC is relevant. This parcel is certainly large enough to accomodate this.

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I mean the building is frigging 6 stories tall. Its not some skycraper.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It certainly won't make commuting around that area any easier.

It cracks me up that FCC can find space for a brew pub, but still has an elementary school located outside the city's limits. With the added congestion this redevelopment will create, Fairfax County should force FCC to relocate Mt. Daniel Elementary to FCC.

That ship sailed a long time ago. The school has been there since 1952! It's a block outside the city, which part cracks you up so much?

The mindset that the county should indulge FCC with a school outside the city, at the same time as FCC is authorizing new development that will make traffic worse.

I really hope the county kicks them out of Mt. Daniel.

This would be the absolute dumbest decision FFX County has ever made. The only use case for that property would be more residential, for which the tax revenue would be effectively the same as it is today. So no positive economic benefit from development. On the flip side the animosity created would destroy tremendous value in terms of FCC/FFX coordination (which is substantial) and loss of commercial revenue (restaurants, businesses) from FCC residents. The only reason to do something like this is pettiness and spite. Good call.

A park on that site would be great.

Umm, FCPS could use the site as an elementary school of its own. Look at the nearby ES - Haycock and Shrevewood - they are both crowded.

And remember, the City of Falls Church carved itself out of Fairfax County so it could control its schools (and the resulting student populations).

That’s true. The FCPS School Board can exercise eminent domain on its own.

Right now, FCC is taking up valuable land in the county that adds congestion (with no offsetting benefit to county residents) so that it can devote city property to other uses that will generate tax revenue for the city and generate even more traffic for commuters who live in the county.

There’s no good reason the county shouldn’t say “enough” and require FCC to build all its schools within FCC.

[Anonymous]

And FCC is an awful neighbor to Fairfax County. All this overdevelopment has an impact on congestion and roads.

[Anonymous]

Another big development not too far away

https://patch.com/virginia/fallschurch/team-approved-west-falls-church-development

New George Mason High school, construction starts soon

https://www.fccps.org/campusproject

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And FCC is an awful neighbor to Fairfax County. All this overdevelopment has an impact on congestion and roads.

Its not overdevelopment, its absolutely appropriate for a walkable place inside the beltway near two metro stations. And its the same philosophy the County is following in Tysons, in Merrifield/Mosaic, in Reston, and in the Richmond Highway corridor. By putting more development in mixed use walkable places and near transit it will mean less congestion than if that same number of people have to live in autocentric sprawl.

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Right now, FCC is taking up valuable land in the county that adds congestion (with no offsetting benefit to county residents) so that it can devote city property to other uses that will generate tax revenue for the city and generate even more traffic for commuters who live in the county.

You do realize the traffic and safety problems that Fairfax County commuters create for Arlington and Alexandria, right?

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Compare the roads near Mosaic to West St and Broad St and tell me they are the same.

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Right now, FCC is taking up valuable land in the county that adds congestion (with no offsetting benefit to county residents) so that it can devote city property to other uses that will generate tax revenue for the city and generate even more traffic for commuters who live in the county.

You do realize the traffic and safety problems that Fairfax County commuters create for Arlington and Alexandria, right?

Does FCPS have any schools in Arlington and Alexandria?

Stop deflecting. FCC is a crappy neighbor that takes advantage of the county and provides nothing in return.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And FCC is an awful neighbor to Fairfax County. All this overdevelopment has an impact on congestion and roads.

Its not overdevelopment, its absolutely appropriate for a walkable place inside the beltway near two metro stations. And its the same philosophy the County is following in Tysons, in Merrifield/Mosaic, in Reston, and in the Richmond Highway corridor. By putting more development in mixed use walkable places and near transit it will mean less congestion than if that same number of people have to live in autocentric sprawl.

In addition the dissimilarity of roads in the City of Falls Church versus the roads surrounding Fairfax County developments ... this isn’t a mixed use development providing housing for people who would otherwise drive to work in the City It will bring new residents, senior citizens, who otherwise wouldn’t be here. The original plan requires a hotel. That made more a tiny bit more sense because it wouldn’t bring more residents and cars. But the city caved to developers.

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Did you read that they plan to close a lane on Broad for about a year! Traffic is already horrible at certain times of the day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And FCC is an awful neighbor to Fairfax County. All this overdevelopment has an impact on congestion and roads.

Its not overdevelopment, its absolutely appropriate for a walkable place inside the beltway near two metro stations. And its the same philosophy the County is following in Tysons, in Merrifield/Mosaic, in Reston, and in the Richmond Highway corridor. By putting more development in mixed use walkable places and near transit it will mean less congestion than if that same number of people have to live in autocentric sprawl.

In addition the dissimilarity of roads in the City of Falls Church versus the roads surrounding Fairfax County developments ... this isn’t a mixed use development providing housing for people who would otherwise drive to work in the City It will bring new residents, senior citizens, who otherwise wouldn’t be here. The original plan requires a hotel. That made more a tiny bit more sense because it wouldn’t bring more residents and cars. But the city caved to developers.

It’s an independent city and it can certainly green light this development. But there’s no reason for another jurisdiction to take on FCC’s burdens (the externalities and foregone revenues associated with a school site) while the city uses land that could house a school for revenue-generating activities. Moreover, additional development of this nature in FCC may negatively affect the county’s goals for Tysons, Merrifield and other areas near Metro.