Would you support a zero tolerance on referee harassment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are many times when I think it is appropriate to “yell”.

A player is injured and ref is oblivious.

A player is offsides and ref/linespeople are oblivious.

Ref is not calling obvious fouls. Many times I have seen this deteriorate quickly.

The ref has a responsibility to officiate the game correctly. Soccer has rules for a reason.

Injured player yes. The rest no.

+1

That is the ONLY time.

[Anonymous]

Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

Plus there are many really bad refs out there. Ones that stand in the middle of the circle and don’t move. Ones that hardly ever call fouls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My issue is with refs that don’t call fouls and the game gets out of control. I see that happen way to often. If ref isn’t controlling the game and the risk of injury is increasing you bet I’m saying something

And you think that will help?
Come on.
Let the coach deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

Plus there are many really bad refs out there. Ones that stand in the middle of the circle and don’t move. Ones that hardly ever call fouls.

And shouting at them is going to make them better?
No, it’s just gonna model bad behavior for the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

Plus there are many really bad refs out there. Ones that stand in the middle of the circle and don’t move. Ones that hardly ever call fouls.

And shouting at them is going to make them better?
No, it’s just gonna model bad behavior for the kids.

If you are always getting yelled at during games then you might just be a bad ref. That many people can’t be wrong.

If both sidelines and both coaches are riding the ref, the problem just might be the ref.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

Plus there are many really bad refs out there. Ones that stand in the middle of the circle and don’t move. Ones that hardly ever call fouls.

And what exactly will yelling do to ameliorate that situation, other than making the asshole (individual?) feel better because, well, they just had to say something? I mean really, if you’re not the coach, who do you think you are yelling at the ref? As a parent, you’re inconsequential in the scope of the game. You want to support the team, your kid, yell positive reinforcement, go ahead. If you want to heckle a ref, you’re out of line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

Plus there are many really bad refs out there. Ones that stand in the middle of the circle and don’t move. Ones that hardly ever call fouls.

And what exactly will yelling do to ameliorate that situation, other than making the asshole (individual?) feel better because, well, they just had to say something? I mean really, if you’re not the coach, who do you think you are yelling at the ref? As a parent, you’re inconsequential in the scope of the game. You want to support the team, your kid, yell positive reinforcement, go ahead. If you want to heckle a ref, you’re out of line.

Solution, take reffing seriously. Own your mistakes and learn from them and be better next time. In time as a ref you will know the difference between agenda based yelling that will always happen versus being yelled at because you might have actually got the call wrong.

As the ref your call might be the final word but having the final word does not equate to always being right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having been a ref for a really long time, I find it fascinating that a spectator thinks they know what a clear foul entails. Recently, I was at a very high level match. The commentary from the sideline to the center about how the laws of the game should be applied was shocking. I was embarrassed about how poorly folks actually understand what is what ... just cheer for the players and leave the ref alone, odds are you don’t actually know what is going on.

In general, yes, though there are times where calls are missed because there aren’t two ARs present, or an AR wasn’t in proper position, etc that makes people vocal at times. Borderline or missed calls do happen.

Plus there are many really bad refs out there. Ones that stand in the middle of the circle and don’t move. Ones that hardly ever call fouls.

And what exactly will yelling do to ameliorate that situation, other than making the asshole (individual?) feel better because, well, they just had to say something? I mean really, if you’re not the coach, who do you think you are yelling at the ref? As a parent, you’re inconsequential in the scope of the game. You want to support the team, your kid, yell positive reinforcement, go ahead. If you want to heckle a ref, you’re out of line.

Solution, take reffing seriously. Own your mistakes and learn from them and be better next time. In time as a ref you will know the difference between agenda based yelling that will always happen versus being yelled at because you might have actually got the call wrong.

As the ref your call might be the final word but having the final word does not equate to always being right.

Yes. Having served as an AR, it can be humbling sometimes. You can't always be completely sure of the call, especially when play moves very quickly. No ref is anywhere near 100% accurate.

[Anonymous]

That’s a very cute sentiment but again how does that make anything better in the moment? If you were giving the ref a rating after the game it’s one thing. But yelling at them during the game? What, are they supposed to be like, “oh crap, random parent, you’re right, let me reverse my call!” No. Because they made a mistake (in your eyes, mind you), they don’t take reffing seriously? Who do you think you are? I’ll say it again: as a parent, you’re inconsequential. You want to talk about owning mistakes? Dude, own your behavior at your kid’s games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s a very cute sentiment but again how does that make anything better in the moment? If you were giving the ref a rating after the game it’s one thing. But yelling at them during the game? What, are they supposed to be like, “oh crap, random parent, you’re right, let me reverse my call!” No. Because they made a mistake (in your eyes, mind you), they don’t take reffing seriously? Who do you think you are? I’ll say it again: as a parent, you’re inconsequential. You want to talk about owning mistakes? Dude, own your behavior at your kid’s games.

Nobody said reverse a call but yelling is always going to happen at every level. That said, quality refs get yelled at less often than bad refs do. If you make a bad call own it and learn from it. It isn’t anyone’s duty to agree with you but they must respect your call regardless of how bad it is. If your take away is zero tolerance because parents and coaches yell then you might be bad at your job. Be better at your job and much of the yelling will dissipate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s a very cute sentiment but again how does that make anything better in the moment? If you were giving the ref a rating after the game it’s one thing. But yelling at them during the game? What, are they supposed to be like, “oh crap, random parent, you’re right, let me reverse my call!” No. Because they made a mistake (in your eyes, mind you), they don’t take reffing seriously? Who do you think you are? I’ll say it again: as a parent, you’re inconsequential. You want to talk about owning mistakes? Dude, own your behavior at your kid’s games.

Nobody said reverse a call but yelling is always going to happen at every level. That said, quality refs get yelled at less often than bad refs do. If you make a bad call own it and learn from it. It isn’t anyone’s duty to agree with you but they must respect your call regardless of how bad it is. If your take away is zero tolerance because parents and coaches yell then you might be bad at your job. Be better at your job and much of the yelling will dissipate.

Yelling only happens because it is tolerated. I think it has no place in a kids' game and teaches the players to disrespect the ref.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s a very cute sentiment but again how does that make anything better in the moment? If you were giving the ref a rating after the game it’s one thing. But yelling at them during the game? What, are they supposed to be like, “oh crap, random parent, you’re right, let me reverse my call!” No. Because they made a mistake (in your eyes, mind you), they don’t take reffing seriously? Who do you think you are? I’ll say it again: as a parent, you’re inconsequential. You want to talk about owning mistakes? Dude, own your behavior at your kid’s games.

Nobody said reverse a call but yelling is always going to happen at every level. That said, quality refs get yelled at less often than bad refs do. If you make a bad call own it and learn from it. It isn’t anyone’s duty to agree with you but they must respect your call regardless of how bad it is. If your take away is zero tolerance because parents and coaches yell then you might be bad at your job. Be better at your job and much of the yelling will dissipate.

Yelling only happens because it is tolerated. I think it has no place in a kids' game and teaches the players to disrespect the ref.

Worry more about calling a good safe game.

[SoccerRef]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s a very cute sentiment but again how does that make anything better in the moment? If you were giving the ref a rating after the game it’s one thing. But yelling at them during the game? What, are they supposed to be like, “oh crap, random parent, you’re right, let me reverse my call!” No. Because they made a mistake (in your eyes, mind you), they don’t take reffing seriously? Who do you think you are? I’ll say it again: as a parent, you’re inconsequential. You want to talk about owning mistakes? Dude, own your behavior at your kid’s games.

Nobody said reverse a call but yelling is always going to happen at every level. That said, quality refs get yelled at less often than bad refs do.

It's cute that you think that, as it's not remotely true.