Ever ok for school to videotape ASD meltdowns?

[Anonymous]

100% agree with pp. No videotaping.

[Anonymous]

I don't see how taping the actual meltdown provides ANY useful information. You aren't seeing how the staff responds organically (because they know they are being taped). You aren't seeing anything before the meltdown is triggered.

[Anonymous]

I think it could provide lots of useful information. I think it's fine if the parents agree. If the parents don't consent it's also fine to move on, as happened in this case.

[Anonymous]

... As a teacher of special needs students. Parents constantly don't believe the teacher about behaviors, actions, etc. Thankfully, our school is on video camera 24/7. This is SO useful- when students (not necessarily mine, but any of them) get in trouble and deny it- the administration can just show them and their parents the video of the incident. Additionally, when parents insist that Larlo would NEVER have thrown a textbook in my class, let alone repeatedly day after day, and that in fact they believe him that I am the one throwing it at him, we have the video to prove otherwise.

Additionally, in the situations where students are telling the truth, or teachers are exaggerating or completely telling fallacies, or students are being bullied but there was no video - the 24/7 videos have been INVALUABLE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:... As a teacher of special needs students. Parents constantly don't believe the teacher about behaviors, actions, etc. Thankfully, our school is on video camera 24/7. This is SO useful- when students (not necessarily mine, but any of them) get in trouble and deny it- the administration can just show them and their parents the video of the incident. Additionally, when parents insist that Larlo would NEVER have thrown a textbook in my class, let alone repeatedly day after day, and that in fact they believe him that I am the one throwing it at him, we have the video to prove otherwise.

Additionally, in the situations where students are telling the truth, or teachers are exaggerating or completely telling fallacies, or students are being bullied but there was no video - the 24/7 videos have been INVALUABLE.

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

OP here. Thanks everyone. To clarify, I didn’t come on here to ask for advice, nor do I feel compelled to justify our decision. It’s just that in my many years of working with special education teachers we’ve never had videotaping suggested to us before, so I was wondering if this was “a thing.”

While clearly there’s a range of opinions about it, my conclusion is that it was a reasonable suggestion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:... As a teacher of special needs students. Parents constantly don't believe the teacher about behaviors, actions, etc. Thankfully, our school is on video camera 24/7. This is SO useful- when students (not necessarily mine, but any of them) get in trouble and deny it- the administration can just show them and their parents the video of the incident. Additionally, when parents insist that Larlo would NEVER have thrown a textbook in my class, let alone repeatedly day after day, and that in fact they believe him that I am the one throwing it at him, we have the video to prove otherwise.

Additionally, in the situations where students are telling the truth, or teachers are exaggerating or completely telling fallacies, or students are being bullied but there was no video - the 24/7 videos have been INVALUABLE.

Do parents truly "constantly don't believe" you? As the parent with a child with aggressive behaviors, I have a different perspective. I can imagine that the teacher would have claimed that I was "not believing" about it. But that was not the case -- what I didn't believe or got frustrated/mad about was how they would consistently never be able to tell me anything about the context and just claim "it came out of nowhere!" And they would also consistently leave out how they responded to the incident. And then there would also be times where they would record behavior that truly didn't seem out of the ordinary (like a 3 year old needing some toileting help) or things that simply weren't true or exaggerated (like claiming my child "couldn't climb stairs" when in fact he climbed stairs daily at our house.)

What we needed and never got was a FBA and some teacher training about how to respond to behaviors. A videotape of my child would have been pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:... As a teacher of special needs students. Parents constantly don't believe the teacher about behaviors, actions, etc. Thankfully, our school is on video camera 24/7. This is SO useful- when students (not necessarily mine, but any of them) get in trouble and deny it- the administration can just show them and their parents the video of the incident. Additionally, when parents insist that Larlo would NEVER have thrown a textbook in my class, let alone repeatedly day after day, and that in fact they believe him that I am the one throwing it at him, we have the video to prove otherwise.

Additionally, in the situations where students are telling the truth, or teachers are exaggerating or completely telling fallacies, or students are being bullied but there was no video - the 24/7 videos have been INVALUABLE.

And this is different in that all kids and teachers are videotaped so it isn’t something else calling out that something bad is happening. Imagine if your doctor whipped out his phone to record your emotional breakdown at receiving a bad diagnosis. That wouldn’t help you recover and it might make the meltdown worse.

I do wish my kids’ schools had video recording to identify the antecedents of behavior. It is amazing that data is only ever available when a SPED teacher happened to be in the room. I just do not believe any teacher when they say behavior came out of nowhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:... As a teacher of special needs students. Parents constantly don't believe the teacher about behaviors, actions, etc. Thankfully, our school is on video camera 24/7. This is SO useful- when students (not necessarily mine, but any of them) get in trouble and deny it- the administration can just show them and their parents the video of the incident. Additionally, when parents insist that Larlo would NEVER have thrown a textbook in my class, let alone repeatedly day after day, and that in fact they believe him that I am the one throwing it at him, we have the video to prove otherwise.

Additionally, in the situations where students are telling the truth, or teachers are exaggerating or completely telling fallacies, or students are being bullied but there was no video - the 24/7 videos have been INVALUABLE.

And this is different in that all kids and teachers are videotaped so it isn’t something else calling out that something bad is happening. Imagine if your doctor whipped out his phone to record your emotional breakdown at receiving a bad diagnosis. That wouldn’t help you recover and it might make the meltdown worse.

I do wish my kids’ schools had video recording to identify the antecedents of behavior. It is amazing that data is only ever available when a SPED teacher happened to be in the room. I just do not believe any teacher when they say behavior came out of nowhere.

+1

[Anonymous]

I’m no technology guru, but school-wide video somehow seems different and less like to wind up being emailed all over the place.

In this situation I would assume the teacher planned to whip out her personal iPhone during meltdowns. The video presumably then gets backed up to her cloud, etc.

Or does this somehow work differently?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:... As a teacher of special needs students. Parents constantly don't believe the teacher about behaviors, actions, etc. Thankfully, our school is on video camera 24/7. This is SO useful- when students (not necessarily mine, but any of them) get in trouble and deny it- the administration can just show them and their parents the video of the incident. Additionally, when parents insist that Larlo would NEVER have thrown a textbook in my class, let alone repeatedly day after day, and that in fact they believe him that I am the one throwing it at him, we have the video to prove otherwise.

Additionally, in the situations where students are telling the truth, or teachers are exaggerating or completely telling fallacies, or students are being bullied but there was no video - the 24/7 videos have been INVALUABLE.

And this is different in that all kids and teachers are videotaped so it isn’t something else calling out that something bad is happening. Imagine if your doctor whipped out his phone to record your emotional breakdown at receiving a bad diagnosis. That wouldn’t help you recover and it might make the meltdown worse.

I do wish my kids’ schools had video recording to identify the antecedents of behavior. It is amazing that data is only ever available when a SPED teacher happened to be in the room. I just do not believe any teacher when they say behavior came out of nowhere.

I can't tell you how much it pissed me off to read repeatedly "he just suddenly did X for no reason!!!" When what they really meant was A) they were not paying attention at that moment and have no idea what preceded it or B) they didn't see what they would expect to precede aggression from an NT child (fight over a toy, etc.) Especially for a very young child, it just made me feel like they were trying to make him out to be a pyschopath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks everyone. To clarify, I didn’t come on here to ask for advice, nor do I feel compelled to justify our decision. It’s just that in my many years of working with special education teachers we’ve never had videotaping suggested to us before, so I was wondering if this was “a thing.”

While clearly there’s a range of opinions about it, my conclusion is that it was a reasonable suggestion.

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Ever ok for school to videotape ASD meltdowns?

[Anonymous]

Its one thing for a coach to do it with the child and parents consent to show them what they need to fix. That is normal. BUT, i would never ever allow a teacher to video tape my child and keep the video. Its impossible to say what they will do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks everyone. To clarify, I didn’t come on here to ask for advice, nor do I feel compelled to justify our decision. It’s just that in my many years of working with special education teachers we’ve never had videotaping suggested to us before, so I was wondering if this was “a thing.”

While clearly there’s a range of opinions about it, my conclusion is that it was a reasonable suggestion.

Ah. You're one of those parents. You're doing your kid no favors but you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks everyone. To clarify, I didn’t come on here to ask for advice, nor do I feel compelled to justify our decision. It’s just that in my many years of working with special education teachers we’ve never had videotaping suggested to us before, so I was wondering if this was “a thing.”

While clearly there’s a range of opinions about it, my conclusion is that it was a reasonable suggestion.

Ah. You're one of those parents. You're doing your kid no favors but you do you.

You are the classic one of those Moms.