Chance at DCI lottery with no preferences, 6th grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Your comment suggests that DCPS immersion students would take DCI to the next level of academic achievement. Do you have evidence that the DCPS immersion programs produce better outcomes than the Charter immersion programs? I guess a McFarland-DCI comparison could provide that answer in a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thnk DCPS immersion elem should get seats set aside at DCI as well. Why do we keep punishing kids who dont have luck in the lottery when they are 6 years old all the way through middle school.

The DCPS immersion programs aren’t taking students into their programs at 6th either.

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McFarland wil take anyone in the boundary into the spanish immersion. and also by lottery there will just be fewer seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thnk DCPS immersion elem should get seats set aside at DCI as well. Why do we keep punishing kids who dont have luck in the lottery when they are 6 years old all the way through middle school.

The DCPS immersion programs aren’t taking students into their programs at 6th either.

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McFarland wil take anyone in the boundary into the spanish immersion. and also by lottery there will just be fewer seats.

Source? Tha'ts not consistent with what MSDC and the DCPS lottery handbook said, at least a few months ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Your comment suggests that DCPS immersion students would take DCI to the next level of academic achievement. Do you have evidence that the DCPS immersion programs produce better outcomes than the Charter immersion programs? I guess a McFarland-DCI comparison could provide that answer in a few years.

Oyster obviously produces far better outcomes than the Spanish charter immersion programs for everything - ELA, math and, yea, Spanish. The program is much better established than the charter programs, enrolls more high SES families and offers a lottery for native speakers. It's a no brainer. Are you new in town?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Your comment suggests that DCPS immersion students would take DCI to the next level of academic achievement. Do you have evidence that the DCPS immersion programs produce better outcomes than the Charter immersion programs? I guess a McFarland-DCI comparison could provide that answer in a few years.

Oyster obviously produces far better outcomes than the Spanish charter immersion programs for everything - ELA, math and, yea, Spanish. The program is much better established than the charter programs, enrolls more high SES families and offers a lottery for native speakers. It's a no brainer. Are you new in town?

Oyster isn't the only DCPS option, and those wouldn't be the only students who would be offered the proposed DCI preference. You'd also have to offer it to students from Bancroft, BM, Marie Reed, etc whose outcomes are not nearly as strong as Oyster's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Your comment suggests that DCPS immersion students would take DCI to the next level of academic achievement. Do you have evidence that the DCPS immersion programs produce better outcomes than the Charter immersion programs? I guess a McFarland-DCI comparison could provide that answer in a few years.

Oyster obviously produces far better outcomes than the Spanish charter immersion programs for everything - ELA, math and, yea, Spanish. The program is much better established than the charter programs, enrolls more high SES families and offers a lottery for native speakers. It's a no brainer. Are you new in town?

Oyster isn't the only DCPS option, and those wouldn't be the only students who would be offered the proposed DCI preference. You'd also have to offer it to students from Bancroft, BM, Marie Reed, etc whose outcomes are not nearly as strong as Oyster's.

This. All immersion charters strive to have outcomes like Oyster. But that is the only DCPS immersion program worth comparing yourself too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Why do people always want to change what is already working instead of LEARNING from what works at DCI and replicating it?

DCI was created BY staff at the charter schools it now feeds into, and it should continue to be a feeder for those schools and then the remaining open spots go to lottery and are open to ANYONE.

If you think DCI is doing something well, advocate for DCPS to learn from it and REPLICATE IT. Do NOT keep insisting that what works be altered to serve what's not working. It is maddening and a total cop out instead of saying "Ok, what do we change about how we do the rest of the system and how do we change it?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Your comment suggests that DCPS immersion students would take DCI to the next level of academic achievement. Do you have evidence that the DCPS immersion programs produce better outcomes than the Charter immersion programs? I guess a McFarland-DCI comparison could provide that answer in a few years.

Oyster obviously produces far better outcomes than the Spanish charter immersion programs for everything - ELA, math and, yea, Spanish. The program is much better established than the charter programs, enrolls more high SES families and offers a lottery for native speakers. It's a no brainer. Are you new in town?

Oyster is ONE school. Are you only lobbying for Oyster students to go to DCI? No, you or whoever else has posted this idea is lobbying for all DCPS immersion students to have slots held at DCI.

Aside from the fact that current charter admissions policies don't allow to hold slots for specific students when it's not part of a feeder design (and that prohibition exists for good reason - why repeat the IB/OOB injustices that DCPS currently represents?), what needs to happen is DCPS figure out why Oyster is so successful and what has to be shifted to improve Adams. What can Adams and the language-focused DCPS high schools learn from DCI?

And although this poster's proposal is not going to happen and shouldn't happen that way for good reasons, I am also interested in what data you have that overall, across DCPS bilingual programs, where is the evidence that funneling those students to DCI would produce better outcomes overall? Because, again, this is not just about Oyster. Which is a no brainer - are you new in town PP?

[Anonymous]

DCPS can do what DCI is doing by sending students at all immersion elementaries to a single middle school. They are close on this with all of them having a programmatic feeder to MacFarland, but they need to go two steps more: route Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt, and close Adams and send Oyster kids to MacFarland and Roosevelt too.

By doing these things, Adams will be available for elementary students (they could do PK-1 at Oyster and 2-5 at Adams or something similar) and more kids would get the opportunity for bilingual education and more IB kids would have PK slots and MacFarland would have more high-scoring kids in its feeder pattern. Deal and Wilson would have fewer kids in their feeder pattern, which is good because they are overcrowded.

Mt. Pleasant would freak out in a way that would be quite unbecoming (all the RPCV parents figuring out how to say they don't want their kids at Roosevelt) and the families with older kids IB for Oyster would be mad too, but the nearby families of babies who are sick of being shut out of PK at Oyster might temper that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thnk DCPS immersion elem should get seats set aside at DCI as well. Why do we keep punishing kids who dont have luck in the lottery when they are 6 years old all the way through middle school.

DCPS immersion students have feeder paths for immersion studies through high school -- Adams or MacFarland/Roosevelt.

DCI is required to offer seats to any student (language studies background or not) who is interested via the lottery from 6th through 9th. There is never going to be a preference for students from an immersion program.

Why shouldnt my kid at a DCPS immersion have an equal shot at DCI? Plenty of DCPS kids go to charter schools in middle school? McFarland is not a solid choice compared to DCI. But what I am being told now is that only about 65% of DCI feeders will get gauranteed rights to DCI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So use common and show the academic ambition of public schools in other US cities, e.g. NYC, Chicago, Boston. DC could reinvent DCI as a hybrid DCPS-charter school with a different LEA. It's been done in other cities.

If the DCPS Spanish immersion programs fed to DCI, we'd probably have a first-rate International Baccalaureate Diploma program in the city offering higher level IB Spanish within 6 or 8 years. At the rate we're going, we're not going to get that from DCI for, say, 20 years. The strongest Spanish students are sprinkled around in middle school and high school. Not impressive.

Why do people always want to change what is already working instead of LEARNING from what works at DCI and replicating it?

DCI was created BY staff at the charter schools it now feeds into, and it should continue to be a feeder for those schools and then the remaining open spots go to lottery and are open to ANYONE.

If you think DCI is doing something well, advocate for DCPS to learn from it and REPLICATE IT. Do NOT keep insisting that what works be altered to serve what's not working. It is maddening and a total cop out instead of saying "Ok, what do we change about how we do the rest of the system and how do we change it?"

DCI will be successful because it simply has better students than most DCPS schools which take anyone. In general, charters may be lottery but its self seleccting in so many ways. Parrents who play lottery already really care and are invested in their kids and willing to commuate across the city for their kids. So those kids will likely always be stronger than a lot of DCPS kids. You can't replicate that because its not based on the school. Its the families. its always about the families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thnk DCPS immersion elem should get seats set aside at DCI as well. Why do we keep punishing kids who dont have luck in the lottery when they are 6 years old all the way through middle school.

DCPS immersion students have feeder paths for immersion studies through high school -- Adams or MacFarland/Roosevelt.

DCI is required to offer seats to any student (language studies background or not) who is interested via the lottery from 6th through 9th. There is never going to be a preference for students from an immersion program.

Why shouldnt my kid at a DCPS immersion have an equal shot at DCI? Plenty of DCPS kids go to charter schools in middle school? McFarland is not a solid choice compared to DCI. But what I am being told now is that only about 65% of DCI feeders will get gauranteed rights to DCI.

Why shouldn’t my kid have equal access to DCPS immersion schools? These need to be citywide schools!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thnk DCPS immersion elem should get seats set aside at DCI as well. Why do we keep punishing kids who dont have luck in the lottery when they are 6 years old all the way through middle school.

DCPS immersion students have feeder paths for immersion studies through high school -- Adams or MacFarland/Roosevelt.

DCI is required to offer seats to any student (language studies background or not) who is interested via the lottery from 6th through 9th. There is never going to be a preference for students from an immersion program.

Why shouldnt my kid at a DCPS immersion have an equal shot at DCI? Plenty of DCPS kids go to charter schools in middle school? McFarland is not a solid choice compared to DCI. But what I am being told now is that only about 65% of DCI feeders will get gauranteed rights to DCI.

Your child can go to DCI, through the lottery, after feeder school students have been admitted. Just like OOB kids can go to Deal, after kids from feeder elementary schools have been admitted. There is a path to DCI for kids from DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thnk DCPS immersion elem should get seats set aside at DCI as well. Why do we keep punishing kids who dont have luck in the lottery when they are 6 years old all the way through middle school.

DCPS immersion students have feeder paths for immersion studies through high school -- Adams or MacFarland/Roosevelt.

DCI is required to offer seats to any student (language studies background or not) who is interested via the lottery from 6th through 9th. There is never going to be a preference for students from an immersion program.

Why shouldnt my kid at a DCPS immersion have an equal shot at DCI? Plenty of DCPS kids go to charter schools in middle school? McFarland is not a solid choice compared to DCI. But what I am being told now is that only about 65% of DCI feeders will get gauranteed rights to DCI.

Your child can go to DCI, through the lottery, after feeder school students have been admitted. Just like OOB kids can go to Deal, after kids from feeder elementary schools have been admitted. There is a path to DCI for kids from DCPS.

Your kid has the same exact shot at DCI as everyone else from a non-feeder school. This is the same way it works at Two Rivers, KIPP, Friendship, Inspired Teaching, Creative Minds, Capital City, and plenty of others. What you are asking for is for your kid to have more of a shot and that's not gonna happen. MacFarland has plenty of potential and you can work on building it (one way that would help is if you could get DCPS to route Oyster and Bancroft there so there are more kids with immersion backgrounds and higher PARCC scores).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCPS can do what DCI is doing by sending students at all immersion elementaries to a single middle school. They are close on this with all of them having a programmatic feeder to MacFarland, but they need to go two steps more: route Bancroft to MacFarland and Roosevelt, and close Adams and send Oyster kids to MacFarland and Roosevelt too.

By doing these things, Adams will be available for elementary students (they could do PK-1 at Oyster and 2-5 at Adams or something similar) and more kids would get the opportunity for bilingual education and more IB kids would have PK slots and MacFarland would have more high-scoring kids in its feeder pattern. Deal and Wilson would have fewer kids in their feeder pattern, which is good because they are overcrowded.

Mt. Pleasant would freak out in a way that would be quite unbecoming (all the RPCV parents figuring out how to say they don't want their kids at Roosevelt) and the families with older kids IB for Oyster would be mad too, but the nearby families of babies who are sick of being shut out of PK at Oyster might temper that.

Close Adams? No, that's a terrible idea.

Besides Deal, Adams is one of the highest scoring DC public middle schools (current 8th grade math PARCC scores notwithstanding). The focus should be on improving what we have; not fixing what isn't broken.

Oyster:
PARCC ELA + Math
Grade 6 Test: 75%, 55%
Grade 7 Test: 74%, 60%
Grade 8 Test: 65%, 15%

Deal:
ELA + Math
Grade 6 Test: 74%, 64%
Grade 7 Test: 80%, 65%
Grade 8 Test: 74%, 24%

Hardy:
ELA + Math
Grade 6 Test: 54%, 41%
Grade 7 Test: 59%, 32%
Grade 8 Test: 59%, 34%

DCI:
ELA + Math
Grade 6 Test: 61%, 38%
Grade 7 Test: 57%, 44%
Grade 8 Test: 51%, 41%